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0:19 Hey, Hello, I am Jeff and welcome to History and Factoids about today. Today is July the second. Now, you guys know, I love sports and I love history. On my coast, he combined the two. Yeah, he has a great book out there on the history of fanneries, the History of Fantasy Sports. And Larry, why don't you tell everybody a little bit about yourself? Okay? Well, I. Am retired now. I play golf and I play fantasy sports. I'm well known as a fantasy sports player. I'm in two of the big experts leagues, Labor and how Wars. And twenty thirteen, I wrote a book called Winning Fantasy Baseball.

0:59 It was an Amazon bestseller. And I've recently come out with a book, as you just mentioned, in the History of Fantasy Sports, and the subtitle is the Stories of the People who made It happen. Yeah, And it's not a textbook out there. It's an entertaining book. It's got stories and it's not boring at all. Right, that's you know when I got the idea. I got the idea for it because, like I said, I played fantasy sports for years and I've always wondered, like, how did this all happen. You know, it went from ideas people had for games years ago to now, let's say, worldwide phenomenon with millions and millions of people playing. There's more than fifty million people in the US play fantasy sports.

1:41 That's age eighteen and up. That doesn't include all the people under ahteen who play. There are two hundred million people who play fantasy cricket in India and it's a multi billion dollar industry. You know, everybody who's familiar. With it now. So I've always wondered, like, how did we go from these ideas where we are now? Nobody had ever written a book about this or told the story. So that's why I got the idea. And when I began, my idea was, and we'll find out who did what when tell the story of how this all happened. As I started researching, I started to learn all these interesting, fascinating stories of what people had done.

2:22 And so I realized very early on, I can just tell the story of what happened and I get the job done, but it would also come off as a very buoying research paper. But by telling the stories of the people, it would make it interesting and an easy read and that's what's happening. The reviews are great, people say it's easy to read, it's fascinating. Even people who never played fantasy sports find it interesting because it's not really about fantasy sports so much or how to play. It's about the stories of the people and what they did well. When did it start well, It. Depends on how you define the start there were you know for me. For me, the definition of fantasy sports that you know, the modern day phenomenon, like I just described that is games that are based on events that have not occurred. So like, if you're doing fantasy football this year, you're going to draft the team soon and then it's going to all depend on what happens as the season unfolds this fall. There have been games in the past, like people make word of, like Opera, Strata Matic or other games that are based on professional athletes but what they did in the past, Like you can get a Stratamatic game that's based on what everybody did last year or five years ago. So the distinction for me with modern fantasy sports is it's based on events that haven't occurred yet. But the games like happened Strata Maatic and some board games you know, in my opinion,

3:55 were precursors to fantasy sports. And the first chapter of the book is about all these precursors. You can even go back to the eighteen hundreds. In the eighteen hundreds, they came out with games where like you would be a board and you'd slide a penny with your finger and it would go into a spring activated bat and hit the penny into holes on the board for like a single double home run. So you know, if you wanted to find that as fantasy sports, you know, that would be kind of like the first ever fantasy sports game. And then it evolved from there. That's come a long way, mostly billion dollars two hundred million in India. All right, we do a national day.

4:40 Do you know what today's national day is? No, I don't. Today is National Disco Day. So were you a disco guy back in the day? My like disco music, Like, I've never been a dancer. You know what I was thinking about this, I think Americans are too lazy for disco now because if you remember back then, you really had to fix yourself up if you were going to the disco tech.

5:21 Yeah, well, you know, people people like Daan sing's just different than disco. Now, that's the reason we're celebrating as far as I know right well, the reason we're celebrating today. In nineteen seventy four, Glory Gaynor, she released the very first disco song was never can say goodbye. Day. I'm not going to put you on the spot or anything.

6:02 I know. You have that really good book about the history of our For fantasy baseball, do you know, is there a single Colorado Rocky that anybody would pick down this fantasy football team or baseball team? Well? Sure, I mean, first of all, when you're talking about hitting, there's you know a lot of Rockies are good hitters, and you know in that stadium it's an advantage to hitters. As far as pictures, you know, people like to say, oh, don't take any Colorado Rocket pictures because you know the park is so good for hitters. But there are skill some exceptions, or some pitchers that are useful for fantasy even though they're pitching in Colorado, and some of them you might want to put on the bench when they're pitching in Colorado and put them in your lineup when they're on the road.

6:49 Yeah, I didn't think about that. I mean half the games are on the road, so I mean you can sit them when they're own. Yeah, you know, it depends only but you know, I know, well the athletics, it's kind of like the same thing that athletics are playing in a triple A park. So the hitting murs is you know, crazy girls probably as good as Colorado. Right, all right, let's see what happened in entertainment on July seventh or July second. Let's go back to two thousand and seven. Numb one album was Big Dad Daddy by Toby Keith. Rihanna and Jay Z had the numb one song with umbrella. I'm in the Swish Shine to get. The I Told you Hobby forever alas friends of the Thumbs, to get out of the raining and all down wills to have each other you can playing my Umbrella.

7:45 Montgomery Gentry had the number one country song with Lucky Man, but I'm I'm a lucky man. God's giving me a bruder Fad Got a House and pe Lands running good. Taking like the Sai. The number one book was Lean Mean thirteen by Jene Ivanovitch. The top move was Transformers Now in the War Between the Good Autobots and the evil Decepticons. They come to Earth. A teenager holds a clue to the Ultimate Power starts Shia Labuff, Megan Fox, Josh new hammel Tyrese Gibson. So how many how many leagues do you usually play a year in, like baseball or football?

8:35 Usually four or five? Are you Are your teams really a part or do you are you able to usually kind of keep them? So you have kind of the same core players. Usually it's a lot of similar players, you know, maybe half somewhat similar and have somewhat different but you know, the form some of the formats are different. Like you know, a couple of the baseball leagues I'm in you only have American League players and the other leagues you have players in both leagues, So obviously those are gonna be quite. Different, right, So what got you into fantasy sports In the beginning? I was driving around Boston one day and I heard an ad on the radio for something that sounded interesting, and it turned out to be a fantasy baseball league.

9:26 This is this is about nineteen ninety two roughly, So I called and I you know, I was interested. I joined the baseball league. We did a draft by conference call. And that's how I got into it originally. Now, if you asked a thousand people how did you get into fantasy sports, you probably not. Can hear anybody else ever, say because I heard an ad. On the radio and the conference call. You know, people people get into it mostly mostly it's word of mouth. They hear from a you know, from a friend or you know, maybe this son D and all the somewhere in nine. In nineteen eighty, Dan Oakrint started the first like a you know, real modern fantasy baseball league, and in nineteen eighty four Bantam Books wanted them to publish a book about it. In nineteen eighty four, Oakprint published a book about his fantasy baseball league, and thousands of people bought that book and started playing fantasy baseball because of that book. One of the people who bought that book and started playing fantasy baseball was Matthew Berry, who is now, you know, like the most well known fantasy analyst you know, on TV or you know, anywhere.

10:42 And he was fourteen years old when he bought that book and started playing fourteen. Yep, the finding career moment, there wasn't it If you had the number one choice in the baseball draft, who would you pick? Well show Heyo Tani is pretty much the consensus number one kept these days, although it's kind of odd because you know, he's he's a hitter and he's a pitcher. So some some leagues you can use him as a hitter or a picture. Some leagues they have they let you draft two separate shows. Hey Toni's one is a picture one as a hitter. Oh, that'd be interesting sometimes, I guess of his inn league, but you might get him to be kind of complicated.

11:30 Yeah. Yeah. My book one of one of the one of the quick stories. In my book, there's a there's a you know, the book is full of stories of entrepreneurs that started different things in the in fantasy sports. I mean, you know, originally there was nothing, and people saw the need for magazines and started magazines that saw the need for staff services. When when computers came out, they realized that you could be staffs on a computer. And so it's full of these stories of entrepreneurs. And there's one one entrepreneurs he's in the book where it started a knee service and the guy's dad is a huge is now a huge show. Hey o County fan.

12:13 He's ninety two years old. This guy's dad is ninety two years old, still plays santasy baseball. He's obsessed with sho Heyo County. He stays he's on the East Coast, but he stays up late to watch the West Coast games for Seal County play. He's worth, He's worth one of the pardon I said, he's worth staying up for. Oh yeah, yeah. One of the stories you know, sincere since you're neire Denbrah mentioned there's a some brothers, the Grogan brothers, in about eighty five, I think it was roughly, they started playing fantasy football and they realized, you know, there's like nowhere to get information for this, and they decided, let's start a magazine. So they put together this kind of not not real pfessionally done, but somewhat of a magazine.

13:02 They put it together with fantasy football information, and they went to Johnny's newsstand in Denver, and they convinced Johnny to take ten poplies of this news letter slash magazine. And Johnny said, all right, well, I'll call you in a couple of weeks and tell you how it did. By the time the Grogramers got home, Johnny called and said where he sold out? Plea need more poplies. Yeah, that's something and there's something about that, that's for sure. Man. All Right, let's see what happened in history on July the second, let's about seventeen seventy six, the Continent of Congress. They voted to adopt the resolution for the Declaration of Independence. See, the vote was unanimous except for New York. New York had stayed from the vote. They actually didn't vote for the Declaration of Independence until it was all over on July ninth. But it didn't matter. The Declaration of Independence move forward. It was edited by Congress and it'll be adopted on July the fourth, seventeen seventy eight, Massachusetts. That's a sheeebas spooner. Yeah, she was hung. She was her and her she had her boyfriend and two other guys kill her husband and throw him down a well. Well after that, she was the first woman ever in the courts to go through capital punishment in US history. See, I mean we're not talking like Salem Witz strous. This is the first time a court said no, go ahead and kill her. Eighteen forty three in Charleston, South Carolina, an alligator fell from the sky. Now, this is how the local newspaper described it. A SAVERA thunderstorm rolled through town, blinding lightning, hurricane winds, torential rain. No one was injured, but an alligator fell from the sky. It landed on

14:34 the corner of Wentworth than Hanson streets. No one saw the alligator fall from the sky, but the fact is incontestable that it couldn't have gotten there any other way. And the beast out a look of wonderment and bewilderment about him, So that showed plainly enough that it must have gone through a remarkable experience. Now he's doing fine as an alligator can do after flying through the air during such a horrendic storm. So, okay, that's you know, before the internet, so we know it's true. And you, when you wrote the book on the history of sports, you had to do a lot of research and where do you start from because there really wasn't anything for you to go off of. Right. Well, when I when I started, I thought it was something I could knocked off in a few months, and I was completely wrong. It ended up taking eighteen months of full time work researching and writing. I interviewed dozens and dozens of people. You know, some of my interviews would be like three hours long on zoom. I would record a zoom call so I could, you know, write down the information later. So yeah, it was it was just a crazy amount of work. And when I would talk to people or research, I would learn different things.

15:44 It would send me down different rabbit holes. Sure, and I would you know, It's like I just kind of started with one topic at a time. And for example, when I when I was doing the book is the book has got different chapels. It starts for the peak curses fantasy sports since got the invention and spread of fantasy football, the invention and spread of fantasy baseball, then the newspapers, magazines, and TV radio, and then all kinds of different topics leading to the modern day. Modern day is more like. You got daily fantasy sports is a big thing now. But for example, when I when I started the topic of you know, how to fancy football start and spread?

16:27 There's a guy named Andy Mussolinis who was credited really was spreading fantasy football. We Jeff Winkinbot is the guy who's invented fantasy football basically. But Andy Mussolimis is a guy who's spread it, and I would read article after article about Andy Muslimis getting all the information, and now you know, it's like I've read twenty articles. I'm reading the same information over and over again pretty much. Then all of a sudden, I get to, like the twenty fifth article or whatever, when I'm wondering why am I even looking at more articles, and all of a sudden mentioned something they had never been mentioned before. Annie Muslinas was a war hero. He was seventeen years old when Pearl Harbor happened. He enlisted in the army and they sent him behind enemy lines in I think in Greece because he spoke Greek and he was involved in sabotaging in German operations. They gave him a cyanide pill so if he ever got caught, he could kill himself. And when he when he enlisted, the recruiter said, ninety seven percent of you they were not going to make it back alive.

17:36 He recruited anyway, so he was he was a World War hero. He got with the Medal of Honor. He was later. Then those stories are it's awesome that he loved hearing that and how somebody like that thing goes back and then it's like the basically the father of fantasy football. Yeah, well what happened Bill, Bill Lincolnback. This goes back to the Bill Lincoln Back was a part a ten percent owner of the Oakland Raiders and in the late nineteen fifties he had a primitive fantasy game for golf and for baseball, and he was telling one of the sports writers out there about it, and the guy said, why don't we do this for football, And that's how the first fantasy football league ended up happening. So they started a fantasy football league, and this is now in the early sixties, and Mussolinos was one of the guys in the first fantasy football league and he owned a bar in Oakland, and after a couple of years being in the league, he decided it would be a good idea for business and for fun to make fantasy football available.

18:45 To his patrons. So he did and at his bar they started a fantasy football league and a bunch of people played and loved it, and the next year they expanded the second league, and then a third league, and then around the four far show there was a women's only league because women wanted to play and the men did not want the women in their league. So there was now a women's only league and people would come to the you know, and it spread from there. It spread word of mouth, and people would come to the bar from out of town. They'd see this thing. They'd asked, you know, what is this? And you know, before too long, bars from around the country were calling and he Mussolina's Park to ask, you know, what is this thing?

19:30 How do you play it? What are the rules? And that's how it really started to spread. Well, that is really cool. Now this is not cool. This guy named Charles Getell. Now he claimed that he supported James Garfield when he ran for president of the United States. Well, after Garfield was worn in as a president, Charles he decided he wanted a job in Garfield's cabinet or is an ambassador, you know, for in foreign country or any high level local government vision. Well, he didn't get any job. See, Garfield had never heard of the guy. So today, in eighteen eighty one, at a train station in wash in DC, Gatau walked up and shot Garfield. Yeah, it was mad and fed up that he didn't get a job Garfield. He ended up dying seventy nine days later from the bullet one. Now Gatau he was hung for it. Now when he said that he campaigned for Garfield, it'd be the equivalent if you just went out and donated five dollars to a candidate and put a sign in the yard. So it's not like he was a hard core reporter or anything like that. Nineteen oh one, Butch Cassady and the Sundance Kid and there gained the Wild Bunch robbed the train near Wagner, Montana. Got away with over forty one thousand dollars. It'd be about one and a half million today. That was their last train robbery. Yeah, see that heat was on after that. I mean they were already being chased, but now they couldn't do anything.

20:38 So that's when Butch and Sundance headed down south and the Wild Bunch just went their separate ways Soday. In nineteen thirty seven, Amelia harre Art and Fred Noonan disappeared when they were trying to fly aground the world. Yeah, they were over the Pacific Ocean now noon and they declared him dead one year later. Amelia, they waited two years before they declared her dead. Nineteen sixty two, Sam Welton opened up the first Walmart in Rogers, Arkansas. Now the building's still there, but it's a gift shop. Now. It's not really that big. You wouldn't think of it as a Walmart. Nineteen seventy nine, for the first time in the United States, they put a woman on a coin. That's when they made that Susan B. Anthony dollar. Yeah, it didn't go over too well in one it was too small, so it kind of looked like a quarter and Susan B. Anthony's the way that came out. Sem looked more like Benjamin Franklin, so you couldn't even tell it was a woman. In twenty twenty two, they figured out the earliest they know when people were actually doing opium.

21:27 They found it, like I guess it'd be an opium dim they found when they dated back to fourteen hundred BC. It was over in Israel. So now they have fantasy. Like you said, there's two hundred million people who do cricket over in India. There's fantasy about everything though, correct. Yeah, how do you do like. Fantasy football? You know, baseball, basketball, hockey, You've got fantasy I did arrive, curling, gas fishing, you know everything. In fact, I'll give you. Find it here, you know, waight forwarding, Formula one, alpine skiing, Nascar.

22:15 I compile the list for the book as I was writing the book, researching. Every time I heard of a new fantasy sport, I would I would jot it down in the book. I showed, like the whole list. There's more than fifty different types of fantasy sports that people play. There's even there's even fantasy Congress. This is where contestants picked legislatures in the US House or Senate and to get points if someone sponsors a bill, passes a bill, speaks on the floor, and other activities. And here's a good one. You get bonus points if your remember votes against the majority of his own party.

22:57 Well, not many. People. It's not a real pot, it's not a real popular you know, with millions of people playing, but it is what it is true and the biggest, the biggest group of people that played this are students in high school civics Civics classes. I believe that couldn't be following it a lot more too. Yeah, I mean it's a good way, you know, it's a good way to have fun and learn about, you know, how Congress works and everything. You know, that's actually a really good way to see how Congress works, to be honest, I think it really kind of exposes everything. Especially you know that not many people get bonus points sadly nowadays against your party.

23:40 Well, yeah, I mean there's you know, there are a couple of people that would be good for that, Like Fetterman would be a good tip for that. Yeah, the guy it's like a nasty or somebody that keeps shorting and he's the Republican to keep shorting from. Yeah, I think Fetterman would probably be the number one draft pick on that one. Yeah, but you also got a sponsor bills and stuff like that, so I don't I'm not sure how often he does that. That's true, but I don't know. So that if I was a high school civient stadent, I'd probably be. Up on all this stuff exactly. So, Like, I mean, it gives you, It. Gives you motivation, and it gives you motivation to learn, Like if you if you're in a contest like this, it gives me motivation to learn. Fact, it's like you know, it reminds me going back to that very first fancy football league that I mentioned. Winkenbach was a part owner of the Raiders, and a lot of the people in the first fancy football leagues were journalists who covered the Raiders, And the guy in charge of that department said that his his journalists, you know, were getting better because they would start doing more research about the Raiders in the NFL because they wanted to help the fantasy football teams.

24:52 Yeah, that makes absolute sense. So anything like baseball, I mean, if you joined the league and you were just kind of a just I'll follow it, you want to know, so you're going to educate yourself and everything. And that'd be the same with football or congress or baths. Fishing, Yeah, and back you know, back then it was really hard to get information. I mean now it's you know, a piece of cake to go on the area, I think, get all kinds of information. But back then there's very little information about you know, football teams or baseball teams, whoever sport you were doing. So you know, some people would go to the news stand every Sunday and buy up every out of town on sports page and read it looking for any kind of useful fantasy information.

25:36 So how often do you win that you're the expert? Well, I mean, I'm good at fantasy sports. I went to Paramount. You know, I'm now an expert on fantasy sports history, which has nothing to do with playing or winning winning competitions. Now, the olders I was asking, is that we did last year? We did it it just a family one fantasy football. It was from all our my cousins all around the country and all that kind of stuff. One country. My one cousin who has no idea anything about football. I think her husband told her who to pick. She ended up winning the whole thing, and she didn't know anything about football.

26:19 Yeah, sometimes it was better to be lucky. Than good, exactly. All right, Let's see who was born on July this second? An old cowboy one riding one dark and windy. Upon a ridge. He rested us. He went along his way, one loll and on some mighty herd of red eye calls he saw blowing through the ragged stuff. That was Kim Curtis singing for the Sons of the Pioneers. Kenny's a lot better known as an actor. He played on TV. He played Festus on gun Smoke for three hundred and four episodes. Kenny was born in the Mark, Colorado in nineteen sixteen. Started out singing for the Tommy Dorsey Band. Now he replaced Frank Sinatra when Frank Win solo Ken. He was in over fifty movies, pretty much all in westerns. He married his third wife in nineteen sixty six help raise her two kids. He died from a heart attack in his sleep in nineteen ninety one and seventy four years old. Now as Ashes, they were scheduled over the Colorado Flatlands. Yeah, Lamar where he grew up.

27:22 That's in the southeastern Colorado, so it's all prairie. Restaurant stud Dave Thomas. He was born in Atlantic City in New Jersey in nineteen thirty two. He was adopted when he was about six weeks old by the Thomases. Davey started out working side by side with Colonel Sanders at Kentucky Fried Chicken. Yeah, Davey's the one who came up with there are multi colored boxes and awnings and all that kind of stuff that identified the KFC restaurants back then. Well, Colonel Sanders sold out, so Dave opened up his own restaurant. Yep, Wendy's Hamburgers opened the first Windy's in Columbus, Ohio in nineteen sixty nine. Now, not only did he come up with the square burger, he also created the first drive through. Then he was in over eight hundred Winnies commercials Now, Dave, he dropped out of high school when he was fifteen years old. Yeah, he always said it was the stupidest thing he ever did. So in nineteen ninety three, super rich and sixty one years old, Dave went and got his ged. He married and had four daughters and one son.

28:13 He died in two thousand and two from cancer the Intestine and sixty nine years old. Tell me now, now there's one more time. That was actress Polly Holiday from the sitcom Alice. She played flu Yeah, I kiss my grits was a pretty big catch phrase back in the seventies. Polly She was born in Jasper, Alabama, in nineteen thirty seven. She died just last September at eighty eight years old. Bigger movie was Grimlins. She actually won a bunch of awards for it. She has also and all the President's Men, Missus Doubtfire, the Parent Trap. She acted from nineteen sixty three until she was hired in twenty ten. Yeah, she just had enough. So do you still have? Are you still Red Sox fan then, even though you're in Florida now?

28:59 Yeah, I'm a uh, mostly of Boston sports. Then I went to college at Boston University and lived and lived there for several years after that. So you got that Socks and the Patriots and the Celtics. Yeah, exactly. I was a seasons ticket holder for the Red Sox the last three years before I moved away. Probably maybe a little tough to move, huh, except for the winner. Well, I actually at the time, I actually moved back to I'm from Schenectady, New York. And then after I went to Boston University, I stayed in Boston for about fifteen years or so, and I actually moved back to the Schenectady.

29:39 Area for a while. Okay, and I moved to Florida about ken years ago. Yeah. Finway Park, that's definitely on my head. Yeah it was, It's on my bucket list. I said, Finway Park's definitely on my bucket list. I kind of went, I really want to see that. Yeah, you got to say it. Comedian actor, writer, TV producer Larry David. He said he was born in Sheep Said Bay, New York, in nineteen forty seven. That's that neighborhood in Brooklyn. Larry started out as a stand up comedian. Then he teamed up by another stand up comedian, Jerry Seinfeld. They co created the TV show Seinfeld Now. After Seinfeld thended, Larry started his own TV show, Curb Your Enthusiasm, ran from two thousand to twenty twenty four. Larry had two daughters from his first wife, married his second wife in twenty twenty. Actress Julia Montgomery sixty six. She was born in Kansas City, Missouri, in nineteen sixty grew up in New Jersey. She started out on the soap opera One Life to Live, but then she had big playing Betty Childs in the movie Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah, she was out hot blind who gave all the nerds how a shot when they saw that she hooked up with Lewis. She was also in Revenge of the Nerds three and four. She married nineteen sixty six and they have two children now. She went to the junior high and high school with Jason Alexander. Yeah, from Seinfeld. Now they did act together in place throughout all school Now Revenge of the Nerds they were It took place at Adams College, was actually filmed at the University of as Owner. She is Michelle Branch and she

31:22 has forty three today. She's born a Sodon, Arizona. In nineteen eighty three, she want to Grammy with Santana for the song Game of Love. Some of her solo hits are All You Ever Wanted? Are You Happy Now? Everywhere? Two thousand and five, she teamed up with Jessica Harp and they formed the Comedy or the Country duo. The records had pretty good success, but now Michelle she likes being solo in dooing pop. She had a daughter from her first husband, married his second husband in twenty nineteen and they have a son and a daughter. Actress Ashley Dizdeal's forty one. She's born in Monmouth County, New Jersey. In nineteen eighty five. She first got known on the TV show Sweet Life with Zach and Cody. Then she had big in the high school musical movies So You Also Started and Scary Movie Five. Actually. She married in twenty fourteen and they have two daughters. You said you love playing golf, Florida is the right place to do it.

32:10 How do they do fantasy golf? Yeah, Florida is the right place to do it. Except the day like today, it s feels like one hundred and five. That's true, but it's going to be like that until September. Fantasy golf is great, you know, the and especially like the daily fantasy sports like Draft Kings and Fabula, which everybody's heard of. They're one of the one of the reasons fantasy golf is popular because a lot of people like to play with their fantasy golf contests. So is Macerory probably the number one twice right now? Well, it depends.

32:52 And in sports like football and baseball, you typically have a draft where you're going to take the number one pick. Like I said, you know, Shoo Time is probably the number one pick for baseball, and for football you got someone like Jamior Gibbams, Vision Robinson and Jamar Chase, you know, might be someone like that's the number one pick. But there's also a format for fantasy sports called a salary cap, where everybody is a sign of salary and you take a roster and you have and fit under the salary cap. So in a format like that, someone like Rory Machilroy or shy Akani or somebody, they're they're great players obviously, but they have a very high salary, so they're not necessarily the best peck. It depends how the salary compares to other people. And in fantasy golf, you know, if you have a if you have a format where it's like a draft, you know, Scotty Scheffler, Roy Maunclroy, probably you top two picks. But a lot of golf, especially like the draftkangs with FanDuel, the salary cap so if you want someone like Scottie Scheffler, Roy mai Roy, the salary extremely high, so they're not necessarily the best step.

34:03 So do you think the daily you know, DraftKings and then do you think they're great for sports or do you think they kind of like take the loyalty out of it where people are just more concerned about the individual than the actual sport. Well, that question is actually not just about Draft Kings and FanDuel. That question is a question that people have had about fantasy sports. I was since fantasy sports started, just goes way back. Like I mentioned, Dan Oakrant started the first real fantasy baseball. League in nineteen eighty. And the thing is a lot of people had kind of primitive versions of fantasy baseball and other fantasy sports going back before nineteen eighty.

34:45 But what was different about Oakraan. First of all, Oakran came. Up with a game it was kind of like chess compared to checkers, So his fancy baseball game was really really advanced. But the other thing that made the big difference is Opraan was a writer. And the people that he got into his first league, they were all writers editors for me in the New York City area for magazines and book publishers and everything. So because because these guys were all on media, they got publicity for their league and then they got a book deal, and that's why it became really well known. And when by by like eighty one, there were fantasy baseball leagues and lots of press boxes around Major League Baseball and at that time, you know, during the during the eighties, it was kind of a divide a lot of like Major League baseball writers and people that you know involved in baseball, a lot of them looked at fantasy baseball. Is hey, this is really interesting and a fun thing to do. And then you know, in other section of people were like, this is terrible for the game. It's going to ruin the game because, as you just said, people are going to root for their players rather than than their teams. So, you know, it was like, it's kind of like now you've got Democrats and Republicans. She thinks completely differently. It was like you know a lot of the baseball people back then, which she thinks completely differently. You know, one side like, oh, this is great and fun and let's do it, and then other people this is ruining the game.

36:14 Yeah, that's true. All right, let's go with actress Lindsay Lohan. Clutching media. You're probably gonna right in the city, the little State Spring. Can you please respect proud the city? Yeah? You just things I wanna do, wanna be. I don't understand money. Don't you want to bring means out? The only Lindsay's forty today. She was born in the Bronx, New York in nineteen eighty six. She got her first modeling contract when she was three years old. She was on the soap opera Another World at ten. Then she hit big in the movie the Parent Draft, Freaky Friday, Mean Girls, herd be fully loaded Freaky Friday too. That was last year. Now, her life looked like a total train wreck. So in twenty fourteen she just moved to Dubai.

37:05 She was over there. She met a guy. They got married in twenty twenty two and they have a son. And it sounds like they're all doing good. Sounds like she's strained everything out. Actress Margot Robbie. She was born in golf gold Coach, Australia in nineteen ninety's thirty six today now. After doing Australian TV, she came to the United States in twenty eleven The Wolf of Wall Street. Once upon a time in Hollywood, she did some suicide Squad movies and of course Barbie or some of her biggest movies. She's nominy for Oscars for Itania and Bombshell. She got married in twenty sixteen and they have a son. The World Cup going on. Is there fantasy leagues for that? There's fantasy soccer. Fantasy soccer is very big in Europe and South America.

37:48 They probably the dailies are probably doing fantasy a lot for it though. For the Cup. Yeah, anything that has statistics that you can keep track of. You can do fantasy or sports for. Yeah, and I have no idea how I don't know soccer well I can't even comment. But it isn't you know, because you think about like basketball or football or anything. You know, Hey, they scored a touchdown and then well, no, it scores a goal. It's kind of hard. It seems like you do fantasy. Well, like you know, in hockey you can you get you know, a category points if you score a goal or if you get an assist, and goaltenders get points for saving shots or loose points or giving up given up shots.

38:35 Well, that book just sounds absolutely fascinating. Not only education, but I love those stories. And there you had to, like you said, eighteen months. It took them. You got a lot of stories out on. Yeah. I mean, it's like one after another. You got. Uh. There was a women's group called women as Fantasy Sports. There's a guy, a guy who was on his honeymoon at a hotel in New York City in the World Trade Center. He's in a hotel in the World Trade Center on his honeymoon at nine to eleven, and his story of how he and his wife got out of the hotel and survived on eleven is really amazing. And it's in the book not just because it's a stasscinating story.

39:27 It's in the book because that event, as it turns out, directly led to how he got involved in fantasy sports and now was very big in the fantasy sports industry. Yeah, those are the kind of stories you just love to read about it. I mean, it's pretty fascinating. And they can get the book everywhere, correct, Barnes and Noble, Amazon. Yeah, it's available everywhere online. Some bookstores have it, but they don't have it. They have it online. Amazon is a good place to get it because if you go to Amazon, look at the history of Fantasy Sports, Hilarry Scheckter, you'll see all the reviews. The reviews are great. Is there'd be more details about what's in the book.

40:07 And in today's show notes, we'll actually have a link to his Amazon page, so you can just click on it and go over and get your book. Bilari, thank you for being here today. It was really interesting. All right, thanks for having me. All right. A quote of the day, this is a pretty good one, comes from Ernest Hemmingway. He committed suicide Today in nineteen sixty one and sixty one years old, Ernest says, always do sober what you said you would do when you were drunk. I think that's pretty good about to keep your mouth shut, wouldn't you. Our country underground radio artists to Day comes from Missyatt and Rhode Island. She wants to hear a Diana Corkoran song, thank you for cheating on me. You guys have an awesome day and we'll talk tomorrow. You learn me, turn me and you took me in tourney and to do a broken town Wi stallion my crying annual nying, and you'll constantin y and yeah le DIXI and all the sho ail.

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