Oct 27-Saving Elizabeth, Black Cats! Teddy Roosevelt, Lee Greenwood, Duran Duran, Roman Empire goes Christian

0:19 Hello everybody i am jeff and welcome to history and factoids about today today is october the 27th today's show i want to go and get your support again a couple weeks ago we had chastity on maybe she needed a little help getting back on her feet and you guys were just awesome about that thanks for contributing to her gofundme account that was anything today is totally different we want to drive your support for something else we want to go to a young lady named elizabeth now her mom and sister they've been fighting for her like you would not believe and they're going to tell you why So Esther and Eve, why don't you tell a little bit about yourself and about Elizabeth and what you're trying to help her with? Well, Elizabeth is my oldest daughter. She is serving a 20 year sentence for health care fraud that she did not commit. All the odds were stocked against her. because of the massive amount of fraud that was committed under her name without her knowledge. She was only hired to do medical, review medical charts. And that's what she thought she was doing. But apparently that was not it. Her contract said medical charts with a recruiter because she always worked through recruiting companies. But the bottom line was that they used her signature and they started billing Medicare without her knowledge again.

1:36 For millions. These people make themselves rich. They were the ones with the Rolexes, the Ferraris, the Jets, everything. And Elizabeth's working from home. She's a mother of five, taking care of her kids. At the same time, she was working from a little tiny desk in Homestead, Florida. So it's not like she was in an office environment. She only saw what they allowed her to see through a platform. And she was the only one that took it to trial because she would not sign a plea agreement that it was fraudulent because she had to admit guilt, number one, and she had to admit having known everyone that was involved in the scheme, which she didn't know. So we decided to gamble with honesty that the justice system would be fair and she would get a fair trial, but she didn't. And this is where we are right now.

2:32 She's been in prison for three years. Her children are all separated because they come from two different marriages. So one parent took the kids and the other one took the other one. So it's very traumatic for the children. I'm sure. Well, you guys also, I'm sure that's not how you wanted to spend your retirement. No, not at all. And you've got a lot going on too. I mean, you're spending a lot of time fighting for your sister. Yes, it's been nonstop. We thought that my sister's case was an isolated incident of prosecutorial misconduct. However, as we've talked about and told her story, we've met others where they also feel that the government was weaponized against them and they did not get a fair trial or a fair hearing and are paying the price. Unfortunately, our justice system is not what it used to be. What they care about is getting convictions no matter the cost instead of fighting for the truth.

3:34 So why did Elizabeth end up taking the fall? What happened to the people who were actually committing the crime? So they all took plea deals to testify against her. And even when they did testify against her, they said they didn't know who she was. They've never met her. Yet the prosecutors were ruthless in making the jury dislike her. Um, you know, they just showed her as a terrible person. Um, and as a result, uh, despite, uh, their own witnesses saying that they did not know her, they did not scheme, you know, did not create any kind of conspiracy with her. Uh, she was still found guilty. So why, why were the prosecutors after her so much for being the small person when all the, the big names, does it just make the plea mark? Did they, she did the prosecutor do it just to get the plea garden out of the big guys?

4:24 So 98% of people that are indicted accept plea deals. They don't want you to take it to trial. In fact, they told us that if you do take it to trial, then you're going to get the maximum because they want to discourage people from going to trial. Did the key people, are they doing prison time too? They got mostly two to three years for cooperating against her. Some are already out. And again, these are the architects of this scheme. So the ones who said that we don't even know this woman, they're out and your sister's still in prison. Correct. For another 17 years. Correct.

5:04 So this is white collar crime. I mean, because I think a lot of people are saying, she got 20 years, you know, for anything. When they hear about these murderers and rapists around in just a couple of years and everything like that. So with white collar crime, it seems to be, you know, well, did she really do it or did she not? Right. Is the hardest part for you to try and tell her story? People just not believing that she was that innocent. Some people do, you know, don't believe off the bat because they think, why would the government spend the time and resources to pursue someone if they're not guilty? Um, however, they, they cast a very wide net when they're indicting people and they want everybody to fall in line, take the plea deal and testify against someone else that they could then go after. Um, unfortunately when you sign a plea deal, you have to admit guilt. And if she signed that plea deal, which was for eight years at the time, plus reductions for cooperation, it meant that she would have to say that she was guilty of fraud. She was guilty of conspiring with these people. And it wasn't true.

6:01 So she said, I'm not going to sign something that's not true. So she took it to trial. And they're gambling that whether it's true or not, like you said, most of the people just sign it. I'd rather do eight instead of 20. Exactly. But we took our chance. We figured that the court system was fair, that there was enough checks and balances in place for her to have a fair trial. And unfortunately, we found that that's not the case. They are ruthless prosecutors. They want to make their career move. They want to make their names known. And there's even a memo from the DOJ saying that they needed to have like a 90 something percent conviction rate on their trials. And they need to have X amount of cases a month. Like there's actually thresholds. that the prosecutors need to reach now in DOJ. So, I mean, you're just a hapless person on the other side of this and they're trying to make their, their, you know, careers so they can go up the ladder.

6:54 Well, and not only that, the government, so they have unlimited funds. I mean, what about her defense attorney? I mean, they don't have that access like the government does to fight. That is correct. They had everybody. Plus they have the ability to coerce witnesses by offering plea deals to them to testify against her, which we were not, you know, we don't have that power. How are kids doing? Rough. It's been a very, very rough road. Not having your mother is especially for the little ones. Sophie was three and Mason was five when she went away. And it's been probably the hardest thing is watching them without their mother and cry for their mother. And I can't help but feel like we're victims of this administration of this government.

7:44 And the time that we've lost and that the children have lost, we're never going to get that back. And I wonder, are they going to turn out okay? Is everything going to be okay with them or is this something that they're going to have to carry for the rest of their lives and affect their futures? So it's a hard thing to watch. But three and six, do they even comprehend what's actually going on? No, they do. To an extent, they do. They're a little older now. It's been three years. You know, we had to tell the truth at some point, you know, that mommy was some bad people put mommy away. And, you know, we're trying to get her out. We're trying to get her home. Her youngest daughter sleeps with her picture every night.

8:24 No, that's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. It's absolutely heartbreaking. I don't think anybody thinks about the cost to the families, the cost to the children when these decisions are made. at the higher level to say, hey, you know, throw everything at this person, make sure that they're convicted, make sure that they're found guilty. They don't think about the consequences. And that's contrary to what we're led to believe about our justice system. Right. Well, especially if they have a quota system. Yes, that is true. And so the people that give you tickets at the end of the month, if you're speeding, you know, there's a quota they have to meet and you're going to get stopped. And this is the same kind of thing. Now, this is going to sound crazy. I don't trivial or callous or something, but it seems like if 98% of the people take the plea deal and you're the lawyer, you're going to be all right. I get to go to trial. It seems like they get even more jacked up for it.

9:16 You would think so. Right. But every attorney we spoke to, she went through three attorneys. Everyone said, you're not going to win until we found someone that said, yes, we have a chance, but she knew we weren't going to win, but she just took the money anyway. And kind of did a crappy job. But she said what we wanted, we wanted a fight. We weren't going to sign the plea deal. We weren't going to lie and pretend that, you know, this is okay. And that she did these things that she didn't do. So. So now is she in the appeals process? We've been in the appeals process. Her appeal was denied. They said that the judge was unfair, that he did favor the government by giving them more time to close and not allowing the defense to even do their closing statement stopped her mid-sentence um and they said it was an error but it was a harmless error so we're actually in the process of asking for a re-hearing of.

10:10 The appeal and he also said yeah he said the uh. The wrong jury instructions, which didn't help. That is true. He gave the wrong jury instructions. Vocally, he says that she had to show good faith. When in a court of law, you do not have to show good faith. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. So he did verbally give the wrong instructions to the jury. That's horrible. Okay, well, we're just going to take a little break. We'll keep coming back to Elizabeth's case and all that kind of stuff. But it is history and factoids about today. Now, this is somebody else who actually got a raw deal with Halloween coming up. Black cats. You have any idea why black cats are associated with Halloween and evil? Because of witches? It actually goes back to the 1200s and Pope Gregory IX. See, he put word out that black cats were partners with Satan. And it stuck. Now, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible like that or anything. But people believe the Pope. And so that stigma of black cats has stayed with us since the 1200s. Well, except in England, Ireland, and Japan, they actually think black cats bring good luck to them.

11:17 I concur. I have black cats. Now, I don't know why, but there are a lot more male black cats than female. I mean, like, we're talking 7% of all black cats are male. So that's kind of interesting to know. Now, the stigma with black cats, it really actually hurts in cat adoptions. You know, when you go to a cat shelter, you'll see a lot more black cats than you will with regular cats. They just don't get adopted because of the stigma. So today is actually to try and bring awareness that, hey, You know, black cats are cool. You can actually take them home. And I'll agree with that. Once you go to a black cat, you don't really want to go back. All right. Exactly. All right, let's see what happened in 1984 on October the 27th. I guess, Evelyn, you're a little young, but me and your mom will probably remember this. Prince had the number one album with Purple Rain. Stevie Wonder had the number one song with I Just Called to Say I Love You.

12:06 I just called to say I love you. I just called to say. How much I care. I just called to say I love you. Alabama had the number one country song with If You're Gonna Play in Texas, Put a Fiddle in the Band. He said, we. Love what you're doing. Boys, don't get us wrong. There's just something missing in your song.

12:47 If you're gonna play in Texas, you gotta have. A fiddle in the band. That lead guitar is hot, but. Not for Louisiana. The number one selling book was The Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub. Top movie was The Terminator. A cyborg assassin from the future, he comes back to kill a woman who's going to have a son that's going to save humans from extinction. I think you all remember that one. That's Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, and Michael Biehn. Now, because it was with Medicare, it's a federal case that she's in, right? She's in the federal court system? I'm sorry, I'm losing you on audio.

13:29 Oh, since Elizabeth, the fraud is Medicare, right? So that makes it a federal crime and not any kind of state. Correct. It goes federal. And so with everything out, one reason we want everybody on here is basically your best bet through all the appeals and all that is there's a petition you want everybody to sign. That is correct. We have a change.org petition. We've been trying to raise awareness for her case and gain support for her pardon. So does it have to be by the president? Yes, the president would have to issue the pardon. So if anybody knows Trump out there, I would appreciate a heads up to let them know that we're looking for him.

14:10 That's true. So how draining is it for you guys to keep fighting and not being able to succeed? Exhausting. It's like swimming against the tide or rolling a boulder uphill. There's constant setbacks and you just have to have faith that justice will be done, but it's exhausting. Well, at least you did find a support group. Unfortunately, there's more people going through what Elizabeth is going through, but at least you do have a support group. We do. We call ourselves 43 Americans and we have our stories on 250pardons. com where you could read about the different cases where people were wrongfully prosecuted and are fighting for a pardon. Unfortunately, this happens more and more Um, if this did not happen to me, I would think like I would, I always thought that the government is fair, that justice system has checks and balances. But now that I know a little bit more, I realized that, you know, the, the scales are tilted, um, in the government's favor whenever you try to fight them for anything. And that's, I think the message that I want to get across and I want people to get angry about, right. That the justice system is not the way that it was supposed to be.

15:28 And hopefully no one ever, of your listeners has to go through it because it's very difficult, but we need to raise awareness and we need to demand change. So just so that me and the other lay people without the medical knowledge, what happened is they hired Elizabeth basically as a contract worker and she was working from her home and she was signing off charts and they were using that to defraud the Medicare system. Correct. So she was, uh, there was a platform on online platform where she would review the charts and sign off that they were accurate. And downstream of her, they were taking her signature and her credentials to bill Medicare without her knowledge.

16:08 And there's just no way to prove it? We did. We've proved it in court, but it didn't matter. She was still found guilty. I think everybody's probably going, how? So there's something called willful blindness, which I think is the most unconstitutional thing in the world, but it's, I don't know if it's a law or what it is, but When we were going to win the trial, the prosecutor introduced a willful blindness instruction, which means even though she didn't know, she should have known what was happening. How do you know? And again, the first thing with fraud is intent to defraud, right? So they said there was no intent. And at this point, they're like, well, she should have known better. That's what they said.

16:52 That's what put it over the top. Yes. That's horrible. Absolutely horrible. Okay, let's see what happened in history on October the 27th. In the year 312, the Roman Empire, it was basically worshipping a whole bunch of pagan gods. And during that time, there were a whole bunch of like civil wars going on throughout the empire between different clans and factions and that kind of stuff. Roman Emperor Constantine the Great. Now, he was preparing for a battle in one of those. It was called the Meluvian Bridge. Now, the day before, he saw a vision. He looked up in the sky and saw a huge cross. Underneath it, it said, Hoc Signus Venis. which means the sign shall conquer, or with this sign you shall conquer. So Constantine took it to heart.

17:33 He had all his army put in Cairo signs. It's the sign of Christ. It's basically the letter P, and it has an X through it. That's for Cai and Ro. That's the two Greek letters. So today in 312, Constantine and the army, they went to battle at the Luvian Bridge, and they just won. It was a complete rout. It wasn't even close. So Constantine, right then and there, converted over to Christianity, and they ended up turning the whole Roman Empire over to Christianity. So is yours tested pretty hard? It has been. Having faith has been probably what's been guiding us through this tough time is that we have faith. We have faith in God. We feel like everything happens for a reason. And even though this is the most difficult thing that our family has ever endured, I feel there's a reason for it. I feel like when my sister gets pardoned, and she will, I have faith she will, she's going to be an advocate for change, an advocate for incarcerated persons, just She's that kind of person, and this might be the defining moment in her legacy, is what she's going through and what she's suffering.

18:35 Well, whenever you look at the Bible and stuff like that, lots of times somebody might have to go through an unjust thing in order to help other people. Correct. So I keep thinking that that might be the purpose for it. I mean, it doesn't make it any easier to fight, but I feel like there is a reason for it, and I have faith that there is. Near 1810, President James Madison. He decreed that Western Florida, you guys are both in Florida, Eastern or Western? We are in Southeast. South Florida. South Florida, okay. So I don't know where the line was. Anyway, in 1810, Florida was split in half. And the Spanish actually owned both of them. But the United States, James Madison, he just said, hey, we're taking the Western half. So Spain said, okay. So they just kind of loaded up their stuff on the Eastern half of Florida and moved it down to Cuba. And then in 1812, or 1821, that president, he just said, you know, we're taking the western, or these, whatever, the whole port's merged in 1822. It was split until then. But yeah, we just took it.

19:35 We just said, we want it. And they said they couldn't really do anything about it. 1838, talk about a bad governor. Governor of Missouri, Libram Boggs, he issued an extermination order. He ordered all Mormons to leave Missouri or they would be executed. Well, the Fed government stepped in and said, hey, you can't do that. So have you spent any time in New York City? Yes. You rode the subway system? Yes. 1904, the first section of the subway opened up in New York City. It was from Manhattan to Harlem. Cost a nickel. 1982, China, they came clean. Yep, they announced it. Everybody in the world already knew. Their population had a billion people. Today, China has 1.4... 1,412,000,000 people. Now, India passed them in 2012. India has about 60 more million people than China does. So you talked about faith and perseverance and all that kind of stuff. Are there times when you... Maybe her, because she's going through it more. Man, I should have just signed that.

20:35 No, she's never... I've lost, you know, when we lost the appeal, I said, I go, you know, we're tired of fighting. Just if they tell you to sign a paper, just sign it. Just say what they want you to say. You know, let's just bring this nightmare to an end. She goes, I can't do that. I refuse. She's never once doubted that this road, as hard as it is, was the correct path for her. She wouldn't take a plea deal if they offered her to it now. That's some faith. Yep. Well, good for her. So all of us, we need to pray and support her to keep that strength that she has going on. Yes. All right.

21:17 Let's see what's born on October the 27th. Teddy Roosevelt. He was born in New York City in 1858. Now, he was a sickly kid, but he overcame him by living a really active and strenuous lifestyle. Became a man's man. He was a hunter, conservationist, naturalist, athlete. Now, he grew up in money. You hear about the Roosevelts and all that kind of stuff. So he was pretty much just a lifelong politician. Then he quit politics to go fight in the Spanish-American War. That's where he got famous with the Rough Riders leading him up San Juan Hill. Came home, became vice president. He became president when McKinley was assassinated.

22:04 Teddy was our 26th president, 41 years old when he took over for McKinley. He's the youngest president we've had. Started from 1901 to 1909. Now, Teddy, he is actually more related to Eleanor Roosevelt than he was Franklin. That's right, those rich people and all that kind of stuff. See, Eleanor was his niece. Yeah, her dad had died, so Teddy walked her down the aisle and gave her away to Franklin. Now, him and Franklin Roosevelt, they were kind of like sixth cousins, so they really weren't that close. And obviously, politically, they were 180 degrees different. Now, Teddy, he married his first wife in 1880. She died two days after giving birth to their little girl. He married his second wife in 1886 and they had five children. Now, Teddy died from a blood clot in his lung in 1919 at 60 years old. He died in his sleep.

22:48 So is there anything that she could have done to protect herself? I think in hindsight, she could have asked more questions instead of, you know, when a recruiting agency places you with someone, you know, you assume that that recruiting agency did their due diligence. And you kind of trust that they've done their background. She did that. She should have just asked questions, did her own research, and tried to figure out a little bit more about these companies that she was being placed with. So, I mean, this wasn't the first company that she was placed with. I mean, she had been doing it. For a while. She was placed with various companies by the same recruiter. And it was all the same kind of scheme, which is why it didn't raise a red flag. I mean, she was asked to do the same for all of them.

23:31 And the recruiters are still, I mean, Barn and Associates is one of the largest healthcare recruiters out there still to this day. So they haven't paid the penalty for what they've done to, you know, healthcare practitioners like my sister and others. Is there a suspicion that they might be in on it? Yes. Yes. Yes, there is. When we were going through her discovery, we found a list called the bad doctors list. And basically, it was from the recruiting agency to one of these lab owners, and it was being circulated. Whenever the doctors they were working with were being flagged by Medicare, they were being put on this list so they wouldn't be used again. So yeah, they were fully aware of it.

24:13 And I don't know how many careers have been destroyed because of these companies and this recruiting agency. But it seems like if you're a recruiting agency, and one of your people that you put in there gets sent to federal prison, that They would come after you for, you know, not doing your deal. You don't see on. You would think so, right? Nothing happened at all, huh? It happened to them. There's still an operation. Oh, that's it. Big government, big business, right? Big money, right? Exactly. It's a big company. Do you have any idea what the money was that they were saying that she helped steal? Um, they take the total build losses, not necessarily what Medicare paid out, but they build $ 182 million under her, her NPI number, which is her national provider number.

25:03 Um, that's not what. Was paid out from Medicare. A lot of those claims went denied or they were duplicated. Um, but they, they charge you with the full intended amount. Man. That's a lot of money. Yeah. You kind of think that, you know, when you think about the Medicare system, you think that somebody is sitting at their little desk in their little house in Homestead, Florida, and how in the world are they able to bill $ 182 million? Of course. Especially when doctors or healthcare practitioners don't know how to bill the insurance. That's done by billers and coders and people that specialize in that field. All the practitioner does is see you or sign off on paperwork. They don't do any of the downstream billing or operations anymore. But again, they needed her signature to commit the fraud, and she was the only one that didn't take a plea deal, so she's the scapegoat.

25:59 That's horrible. Actor and comedian John Cleese. He's 87. He was born in Weston, Supermari, England. He co-founded Monty Python and the Comedy Troupe in 1969. Now he did all their TV shows and their movies. Some of their movies that weren't Monty Python that he did were Time Bandit, Silverado, A Fish Called Wanda. He did a couple of the Harry Potter movies. He had a daughter from his first wife, a daughter from his second wife, married his fourth wife. They've been married since 2012. So before I play this next song, the clip in it, how shaken is your, you talk about your faith and God is stuck in it. How shaken is your faith in your country? My faith in my country is pretty shaken. It's not what I thought it could be. I, you know, you say the Pledge of Allegiance, you know, justice for all.

26:47 You know, you hear the national anthem, you know, the words of the Constitution, the right to a fair trial. More and more, I'm thinking these are illusions. Maybe at some point they mattered and they were held true. But there is so much corruption in government at this point that it's very difficult to understand that these values are no longer our values as Americans. And it's very sad. Well, you know, country singer Lean Green won. Yes. Okay. And I won't. Forget the men who died, who gave that right to me. And I gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.

27:30 Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land. God bless the USA. Well, she didn't go overseas to fight, but... I guess she believes she's fighting for her country, though, actually. She is. She's fighting for what's right. We're fighting for what's right. And we're fighting for what this country should be and should be representing. Lee, he's 84 years old. He's born in Southgate, California. Now, that unofficial American anthem, God Bless the USA, it only got up to number seven when it was released back in 1984. Of course, now everybody kind of, especially if you're under like 30, you kind of think that's actually the national anthem now it's played so much. Some of his number one songs that are in the country charts were Somebody's Gonna Love You, Goin' Goin' Gone, Dixie Road.

28:18 He had two children from his first wife. He had one child from his second wife. Married his fourth wife in 1992. And they have two children. So, Evelyn, you're a little young. I don't know if Esther's liking it. Did you guys like the New Wave bands of the 1980s? Of course. I am an 80s child. Oh, well, then you'll know this. Simon Le Bon. He still sings for Duran Duran. They're still out there. Yeah.

29:05 That's his favorite band. Yeah, he's 68, though. That makes you feel a little dug on him. I took you to see him. You did see him? Yeah, we went to a concert here. I took them girls to see him. Evelyn was holding a big banner that said, look at me. And Elizabeth was flipping out because that's her favorite group, Duran Duran. Well, maybe that's a sign, kind of like Constantine had. Maybe this is having Duran Duran. Maybe. We even followed him to the hotel. Oh, really? Yeah. He seems like a pretty good guy. It's hard to believe he's sick. though he was born in Bushy England now before Duran Duran Simon he worked in a kibbutz in Israel he wrote poetry he studied drama now when Duran Duran formed in 1978 they had a different singer but Simon he took over singing lead in 1980 since he took over they sold over 100 million records Girls on film, Hungry Like a Wolf, Real, Wild Boys. I bet you can name a lot more than I can.

30:04 Yes. Now, yep, like I said, they're still out there touring and everything. Simon, this is pretty, for all his fame and all these little girls like Evelyn screaming at him and all that, he's been married since 1985 and has three daughters. Nice. Stone Temple Pilots, they weren't quite as uplifting as Duran Duran was. That was Scott Weiland singing for them. He was born in San Jose, California in 1967.

30:49 Now they formed in 1989. Now the guys in the band, they liked the sticker. for the logo. Do you remember what STP motor oil looked like? It had that little sticker on it. Well, they love that sticker. And so they wanted to use it for their logo. So they needed to come up with a name that had STP in it. That's how you got Stone Temple Pilots. Some of their hits are Plush, Vaseline, Creep, Interstate Love Song. Sold over 40 million albums. Now they did Fire Scott in 2013. So he went and sang for Velvet Revolver and then he did some solo stuff. Divorced twice. He had a son and a daughter from his second wife. But Scott, he was a total train wreck. He had a lot of trouble with drugs and alcohol. They got him in 2015 when he was 48 years old. Died on his tour bus. Accidental overdose from cocaine and alcohol and meth.

31:33 Oh. I did see them at Lollapalooza one year when I was a teenager. Oh, really? Well, just so you know, I can see him, even though you guys can't. She doesn't look like she's an 80s child. 1980 to be exact. So I was going, huh. Okay. So now what's our next step here? We want everybody to sign the petition. Sign the petition, read the stories on 250pardons. com and do what you can to raise awareness, you know, speak to your congressmen, your senators about these injustices that American citizens are going through. How does the penal system work? Could people jot notes to her or other people going through this, just telling them to hang in there?

32:21 You can. You could contact through the website. Her name is Elizabeth Hernandez. She's currently at the Oklahoma Transit Facility. And they could write to her and give her hope. I mean, I could give you her BOP number, which is the Bureau of Prisons number, which is what you would direct any letters to. It's 96666-509. It kind of sucks that you have that memorized. That means that you've had to use it quite a bit, huh? We write her constantly. Do they have access to, is it just all handwritten?

33:01 Are you allowed to, do they have any access to electronics? She does have email. And before she was in the transfer center, she had video calls. So she was able to speak to her children. Once a week. Yeah, once a week for like 15 minutes. So she was convicted in Florida and she's in Oklahoma now? She's been moved around a bit. That's kind of what they do. So she was in Tallahassee and then moved to Oklahoma. And we're hoping that she'll be moved down here to South Florida again so we can at least visit with her more often. I was going to say, it's kind of hard for you guys when they keep moving around. I haven't seen her in a year. Neither have her children. Yeah. And they just transfer them.

33:44 They just do. No reason or rhyme. Oh, you're just going to Oklahoma. yep okay and you can check out that so we want to on the show notes there's going to be links to all this kind of stuff so you guys can go in there and definitely sign the petition you know help Elizabeth out here and help Esther and Evelyn out too I mean that probably feels pretty lonely just like you're the only ones fighting yes it does and then we're going to get there's a link over to the weaponization watch so I'm sure those people are like a little thumbs up for what they're going through and everything also Correct, yes. You guys have anything else you want to put out there?

34:25 If you know President Trump, if you have access to anyone in the White House, please help us. I'm sure if he sees her case and he reads about her, I'm sure he will pardon her. I have no doubt in my mind. What we need is Barron to listen to the show. Oh, no, Melania. Even better. She's a mom. She knows what it's to be a mom. Yeah, she would do it. But see, Barron, whenever you see Trump go on a podcast or something like that, it's always one that Barron listens to and he tells his dad to listen to it. Okay. I hope he listens to you. Me too. That would be pretty cool. Yeah. I don't think I've told too many Trump jokes. I think we're safe.

35:08 All right. Well, I was in with a quote of the day. It comes from Lou Reed. Hitchhiked away across the USA. Plucked her eyebrows on the way. Shaved her legs and then he was a she. She says, hey babe, take a walk on. The wild side. Lou died today in 2013, 71 years old. He said, I don't believe in dressing up reality. I don't believe in makeup to make something look smoother. Well, you guys, thank you all for listening. Make sure you check out those notes and please sign the petition and everything to help Liz with that. You can go on and we'll give you resources so you can actually see that it's just not my mom and a sister. I mean, she really was worked over pretty good by the system here.

35:50 I know it's the first response might be like, well, sure, but no, she actually was the fall person. Correct. All right. Thank you so much, Jeff, for having us and for shedding light on my sister's case. Hopefully with your help and the help of your listeners, we can get her home. Exactly. And thank you guys for coming on. I know it's not, Easy constantly having to rehash it over and over again. Sometimes you probably just want to... The sad thing is you can't just turn it off. No, no. All right. We end every show with a request for our country underground radio station. And it's from Raymond in Atlanta. What do you guys think? I think Raymond's in love. He wants to hear a Wes Ryan song. She's got that.

36:33 You guys all have an awesome day and we'll talk tomorrow. She walks in like a breeze in July. Clicking on the hardwood floor Every head turning like, what's she here for? Mmm, I don't know her name just yet. But I'm betting she's the reason. Hearts forget Hey. Looking like a Friday flame Girl's got that wild game Never been tame She's got the vibe and she don't even try. Yes, you got that.

37:13 Oh, little bit of don't you dare look away that sweet tea draw with a twister. Hey, shake me up. Like a back row bass. Got me going on. Got that every move like a radio song two-step honey just floating along laughing like she don't care who sees pulling every bit of gravity toward me she's a red light there a green light go that girl's got something in her soul hey stealing the spotlight smooth.

37:54 Even the jukebox don't know what to do she's got this spark yeah she's fire on cue and. I'm like whoa look at that view man. Yes, you got that. Ooh-la-la, little bit of don't you dare, look away, that sweet tea, draw with a twist-a, hey, shaking me up like a back-roll bass, got me going, oh, hey, yes, you got That smile, got that sway, got