Oct. 30, 2025

Oct 31st-Halloween, John Candy, Bow Wow Wow, Beastie Boys, Vanilla Ice, Ace of Bass, Nevada Birthday, Rob Schneider

Oct 31st-Halloween, John Candy, Bow Wow Wow, Beastie Boys, Vanilla Ice, Ace of Bass, Nevada Birthday, Rob Schneider
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What an awesome Halloween, My co-host is Clare O'Donohue, the host of the video podcast "The History of Murder", it's one of the best out there. The productiona and story telling is as good as it can get. They talk and re-enact murders from a long time ago, many of which have been forgotten. Definately check it out at https://thehistoryofmurder.com/   Also check clare out at http://www.clareodonohue.com/    She has written some mystery books you want to read.  We also talked:

Happy Halloween. Entertainment from 2012. Martin Luther started Protestant Reformation, Nevada became 36th state, Pope John Paul II appologized for the way the Catholic Church treated Galileo. Todays birthdays - Dale Evans, Michael Landon, John Candy, Rob Schneider, Darryl Worley, Annabella Lwin, Adam Horovitz, Vanilla Ice, Linn Berggren. Sean Connery died.

Intro - God did good - Dianna Corcoran    https://www.diannacorcoran.com/ 
This is Halloween - Danny Elfman
One more night - Maroon 5
We are never ever getting back together - Taylor Swift
Birthday - The Beatles
Birthdays - In da club - 50 Cent http://50cent.com/
Happy trails - Roys Rogers & Dale Evans
Bonanza TV theme
Awful beautiful life - Darryl Worley
I want candy - Bow Wow Wow
Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice
All that she wants - Ace of Bass
Exit - Never have I ever - Elyse Saunders   https://www.elysesaunders.com/
countryundergroundradio.com
 History & Factoids about today webpage

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Well, hi everyone, I am Jeff and thanks for joining

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us on History and Factory is about today? Yeah, I

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know what did day is? But we have something awesome

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for you today. We have just a total awesome co host,

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one of the best writers out there, and she's got

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this really incredible video podcast that we're going to tell

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you about. So we're not gonna just scare you with

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a simple boo that's for kids. We're gonna add some

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little intrigue to you today. So Claire, why don't you

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gon to introduce youself?

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Sure, my name is Claire o'donahue and I'm the host

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of the History of Murder podcast. I'm also a true

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crime TV producer and a mystery writer, so all things

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murder pretty much, and the History of Murder podcast is

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sort of a combination. Well, we like to say we

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put crimes in context. We tell you about the crime,

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but we tell you about the events that were happening

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that impacted the crime as well.

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Well, you've always been into books, right, always. Yeah, So

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started off with a writer and then you got into

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we'll talk about it later. You had really good books

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out there, so then you went into TV and that's

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kind of what your forte was it's true grime on that.

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Yes. Yes, most of the stuff that I've worked on

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in TV is lots of lots sort of some famous

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ones like Forensic Files and the first forty eight and

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lots and lots of of different types of true crime

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shows that I've worked on, and I've interviewed a lot

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of different people in that world as a result.

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Cool. Have you always been a Halloween fan?

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I love Halloween. You know, it's originally an Irish holiday

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and my parents are from Ireland, so it is something

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that's sort of in the.

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DNA, I guess, so, well, we might as well start celebrating.

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Today is Halloween.

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I'm the one shot red hair.

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Well, happy Halloween, are you goblins and ghosts out there?

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Halloween it means Hallows Evening. That's the night before Hallow's

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Day and that's where all the Catholic Saints are honored. Now,

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by the late eighteen hundreds, like Claire said, kids in

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Scotland and Ireland, they would dress as costumes and go

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door to door and get food. Then in trick or treating,

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and that's starting Canada in nineteen twenty seven. So by

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the nineteen thirties, trick or treating. It was all across

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Canada and the United States. So today, according to Statistics,

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forty eight percent of you will wear a costume, forty

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six percent of you, yeah, you're gonna carve a pumpkin,

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sixteen percent of you're gonna dress up your dog, and

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you're gonna ptend like you weren't home. Where do you

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fall in on those Claire.

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Oh, I I it's been a while since I won't

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a costume, I'll admit that. But what I like to

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do is get lots of Halloween candy and enjoy opening

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the door to many many, hopefully many many trick or

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treaters that will come by, and then getting to eat

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the left over candy if there is any.

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Yeah, I had to go out again. I kind of

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ate my Halloween candy. I bought it a little too

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early this year. Some more. Yeah.

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I used to live in Sleepy Hollow, New York, which

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is famous, of course for the legend of Sleepy Hollow,

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and I think they used to bust kids in because

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I'd go through thirteen or fourteen bags of candy every year,

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and eventually I would be in that twenty one percent

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and I have to turn off the lights because we

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would run out of.

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Candy, right, and that the whole thing. You hope they

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realize that once the fourth front pork lights out, kids,

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you're done, you know, don't go up there anymore.

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You're done. Yeah, you're done.

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the younger kids come early so they can buy their

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own candy.

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And it looks like it's gonna be a nice weather

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all across the nation, so all the kids should be

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able to have a pretty good Halloween this year.

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Good, good, Absolutely, it's a really lovely if it's a

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nice day. It is. Actually, I do remember that as

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a kid, A lovely fun experience.

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Yeah, it's just a fun day. Don't read too much

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into just enjoy the day. It's nothing wrong with that, absolutely,

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all right, this is going on entertainment. In October thirty first,

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let's goat your twenty twelve, the number one album was

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Babble by Month for and Sons Room five had the

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number one song with one More Night Across.

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My Heart and I Hope You Die.

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I'll Only Stayed with You Monting a million times Only.

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Stay Taylor Swift. She had the number countries on with

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we are never ever ever getting back together.

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On getting together, to.

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Your friends, to.

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Getting back together.

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The number one book was The Panther by Nelson de Mill.

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You read that.

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One, No, I haven't aught to look for it.

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The top movie was wreck itt Ralph. Now Ralph, he

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is tired of being a bad guy. He wants to

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be the hero of a video game. Well, he accidentally

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brings in an enemy that probably takes out the entire arcade.

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So Ralph is voiced by John c Riley. Then you've

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got Sarah Silverman and Jacqueline Brayer in there. Okay, so

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after you started your career, how'd you end up in

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the TV?

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Actually? I got a job on a show called Simply

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Quilts on HGTV because I make quilts and the show

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was looking for people who could speak the language as

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all hobbies have a particular kind of set of words

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and phrases, and could write. So I fit perfectly into that.

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And I worked on that show for four years on

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and off, and then just kept going. So worked in

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TV in different fields, and little by little made my

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way from that kind of television to more documentary and

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true crime.

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It's kind of hard to say, is there any true

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crime that really haunts you, since we're talking about Halloween

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that even to this day is just kind of represents evil.

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Oh gosh, yeah, I think, you know. I think the

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hardest interviews I've done are with family members of victims,

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because it doesn't matter if the murder happened, you know,

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a year ago or twenty years ago. Family members are

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haunted by it. They hold the grief very strang wrongly obviously,

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they hold the thoughts of what their loved one must

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have must have been thinking in the final few moments.

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So those are hard and uh and I didn an

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interview one time with a killer in Montana who the

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guards told me that they would stop the interview if

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he tried to kill me, which I was very grateful for,

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and I was like, yeah, you should totally do that.

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If he tries to kill me, you should you should stop.

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He was very nice though, he actually was extremely nice

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to me, So there you go. Uh, but I remember

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that moment of just I've interviewed a lot of killers.

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That was the only time that anyone's ever suggested somebody

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might do me harm.

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But.

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That one, Yeah, I went back to my hotel that

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night and went, Wow, that was weird.

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That's true. You might have a really good subject to

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because everybody all these big murder cases on TV and

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everyone that neverbody watches it, and you know, they're intrigued

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by it, and then it comes out, Okay, it's over.

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People forget about. There's victims and families and members on

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both sides. It is not over for them.

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It's never over for them. It's never over for the

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families of the victim. It's never over for the families

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of the killer. I've interviewed those as well, and they live,

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you know, with a different kind of haunting, right the families.

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A mother of a woman who was murdered. I remember

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her saying to me that she felt the most sorry

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for the mother of the killer, because that woman would

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have to live with what her son had done, and

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at least she could live with the memories of her daughter.

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It's it just it's a it's a ripple effect that goes,

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you know, to both families, to the communities, to everyone

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who knew both people involved. It really yeah, it. Having

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had an up close and personal seat to it for

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a number of years, you really see it. You really

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see it for what it really is and not not

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just the sort of and I'm as guilty of this

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as anyone, the sort of entertainment of it, but you

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see the reality of it.

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Yeah, I was just going to ask that that's a

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fine line you have to walk so you're not exploiting them,

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but yet you're getting their story across. You really have to.

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It's kind of a fine line there.

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It's a very fine line. And believe me, I have

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asked people why are they doing it? And a lot

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of times what I find from family members is what

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they say is when you go to court, you have

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to sit there quietly while the defense attorney drags down

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your family member or friend because they're trying to get

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their client off right and you can't say anything. That

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is how the justice system works. And being on television

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is a chance for them to write the ship and

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to talk about this person that they love in a

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full way, and maybe in some cases it also is

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a sense of warning to someone who might be in

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a similar situation to their loved one that they could

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potentially hey, you know, these are the red flags that

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were ignored. Hopefully you won't ignore them. So we try

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to do right by people. We try to be respectful

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of people, and I've been lucky. I think most of

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the stuff that I've worked on does do that. I

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don't think everyone does that. And I think in the

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podcast we also even though these are cases that happened

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one hundred, two hundred, three hundred years ago, there are

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still people, there's still families, They everybody might be dead,

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but it was still a real person and we try

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to be respectful of them and what happened in that

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situation as well.

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So what have you found most that most of the

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murders are committed by great or lust?

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You know, I think it's probably split fifty to fifty,

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and I think those are two of the biggest things.

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I think here's the number one reason I think murders

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are committed entitlement. I really do think that a lot

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of killers feel entitled to the love, the money, the position,

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the whatever, and they and it's weirdly not as personal.

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It's you're standing in the way of my having custody

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of the kids, or my owning the business full time,

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or quiet in the neighborhood, or my particular point of

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view being heard or whatever it is. You're standing in

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the way of it. So I'm going to kill you.

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But I really think it's more entitlement than anything else.

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Yeah, I hadn't looked at that. I was simple like

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greedor less. But I think you nail it on the

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head right there. I think entitlement. You're probably right. That

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sounds right. All right, Let's see what happened.

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It's scary but true.

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All right.

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What happened in October the thirty first, In fifteen seventeen,

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Martin Luther he started the Protestant Reformation. His ninety five

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thesises is what was wrong with the Catholic Church. He

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ended up sending it to the Archbishop of Brandenburg in Germany. Now,

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Luther had been a priest and amongk for about ten

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years when he did this. Now there's a story about

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him nayling the thesis is to the door of a church.

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And now that didn't happen. It's just get talking. According

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to Luther, he said that basically he just wanted to

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start a discussion. Well, his ninety five thesis they made

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it all the way to the pope, and when the

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Pope burnt about it, yep, Luther was immediately excommunicated and

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had to run for his life. But their Protestant Reformation,

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ye split year and a half. The northern half kind

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of went to be the Protestants and the southern half

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mainly went to be State Catholic. And that's general, it's

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not just one hundred percent. That's kind of what happened

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eighteen forty six. The Donner Party, we've all heard about

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them today. They realized that they were stuck. They could

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not go over the Sierra Nevadam mountains and they couldn't

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go back, so they had just set up a camp

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for the winner. So you kind of heard about some

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stories that most people don't hear about the Donner Party, right.

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Yeah. There were two Indian guides who were named Lewis

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and Salvador. They were shot and cannibalized around January eighth

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of eighteen forty seven. It's also possible that Tamsen Donner

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was murdered in March of eighteen forty seven, but we

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don't know that for sure. So, yeah, there was murders.

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They didn't just eat people that had died, they killed

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people too.

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That dirty sigh right there.

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Okay, Happy birthday Nevada today. In eighteen sixty four, Nevada

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became the twenty sixth state the Spanish named it Nevada

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for the snow covered mountain ranges. Even though most of

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the state is desert. Eighty six percent of Nevada is uninhabited,

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but where people do live it is kind of cool.

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The capitalist Carson City. The highest point is Boundary Peak

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at thirteen and forty seven feet, and I'm not going

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to climb it, so I'll just take your word for it.

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The Nevada state bird is the mountain blue jay, and

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the fish appropriate for today is the cutthroat trout. The

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flower is sagebrus the reptile desert tortoise the mammal desert

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big horned sheep. Some people who were born in Nevada

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include tennis player Andre Agassy, baseball's Bryce Harper, actress Don Wells,

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race car drivers Kurt and Kyle Busch, and and excuse me,

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Dan Reynolds, the lead singer of Imagined Dragons.

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Right, then you know what their nickname is. Nope, they

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are the Silver State.

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Oh is that right?

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Yeah, at the time, Nevada has actually had more silver

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come out of than anyplace else in the United States.

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Oh yeah, and now they keep all the silver when

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people go there to gamble.

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Exactly except now they've brought in a lot of gold too.

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Yeah, and and and probably bitcoin.

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That's right, that'd be kind of interesting to hear. But

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they bet they are gambling that when you think.

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I would assume so I don't know anything about bitcoin,

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but I would assume that people do gamble.

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It all right. Well, in nineteen thirty and the first

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paved highway that ran coast to coast across the United

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States opened up. It's called the Lincoln Highway. So you're

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in Illinois, so probably a Lincoln fan, huh?

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I love I ram Lincoln. Yes, he was a defense

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attorney in multiple murder trials, by the way, and we

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have a Lincoln Highway here as well. I don't know

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if it's the same, if it's like a same road

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that goes all the way through, or if it's just

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another road that's called the Lincoln Highway.

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Not sure it might have been. It might've been like

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Route sixty six once the Interstate came through. You know,

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it kind of like it's still there, but it's not

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the They don't really right about it.

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Yeah, it's disconnected. Yeah.

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Well, this one was three three and eighty nine miles long.

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I went from Times Square, New York City all the

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way to San Francisco. Now, it wasn't like the interstate,

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so I know that's what people were thinking about. No,

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it was just this little two lane ira and it meandered,

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it didn't. It just went from town to town to town.

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It's not like he had overpasses or anything like that. Now,

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World War One in nineteen seventeen, it was last time

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in the world history a cavalry charge was successful. Now

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was in Palestine at the Battle of Beersheba, the Australian Calvity,

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and they were able to pull it off. If you're

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not sure what the cavalry is, that means they were

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all on horses. So they were charging machine guns on horses.

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So that's why it was the last time it has

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ever been able to do successfully. Nineteen twenty three at

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Marble Bay in Australia. Now, their temperature hit one hundred

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degrees today. Now that temperature, it would hit one hundred

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degrees for the next one hundred and sixty days straight,

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you know, for a little come my gosh. So if

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you want a little comparison, Phoenix just set their record

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a couple of years ago. They went one hundred and

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thirteen days straight where it hit a hundred, so two

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hundred and sixty. You ever do any international in your

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international stories on your murder mysteries.

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That's our hope. I love to travel. My parents are

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from Ireland. I've lived in Ireland and England. I have

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family all over the world, so I have free places

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to stay. And yeah, absolutely would love to do stories

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because there's some really fun stories all over the world

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and we would love to tell them. So fingers crossed

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we get a chance to do that.

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Cool. Nineteen eighty three, Ron Grant he became the first

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person to run all the way around Australia. That means

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on the actor. Took him two hundred and seventeen days

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and he ran eight three hundred and sixteen miles. He

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went from Brisbane to Brisbane basically. So this guy, I

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don't know how he pulled it off. He actually had

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to run thirty nine miles a day in order to

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do that.

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Oh my god, I don't have the idea of driving

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all around Australia sounds exhaust So.

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Wow, I can't in mind driving eight thousand miles and

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that would be hard and I'm going to do it. Yeah,

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To be honest with you, I don't even want to

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be in a plane for with that take about seven

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eight hours. I probably picked about fifteen hours.

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Yeah, yeah, to go to fly from Yeah, that's a

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it's a big place in Australia.

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It won't be a plane that long. Nineteen eighty four,

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the Prime Minister of India name was India Gandhi. She

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was assassinated by her two bodyguards. They killed her while

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she was walking through the garden at the Prime Minister's

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residence and while she was being interviewed for a documentary

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on Station in Ireland. Now they shot her over thirty times. Now,

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they didn't run or anything. They just stayed there until

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the police got there. Obviously they were executed. Nineteen ninety two,

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Pope John Paul the second he had to take one

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for the team. That Pope. He was there from the

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time it was time for the Catholic Church to come clean.

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He had to publicly announce to the world that the

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Catholic Church was wrong. They should not have persecuted astronomer

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Galileo as badly as they did. So it took three

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hundred and fifty nine years, but Pope John Paul, he

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admitted the Galileo was correct. There does revolve around the sun.

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And yeah, he shouldn't have been tortured and forced to

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live the late last eight years of his life under

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house arrest.

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I'm sure that's some great comfort to his family. Have

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you heard or seen the movie Soulsurfer? Souls Surfer Today.

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In twenty thirteen, thirteen year old Bethany Hamilton had her

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arm bitten off by a shark while she was surfing

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in Hawaii. I've never surfed, and that doesn't make me

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want to do it.

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No, that's not really a recruiting poster kind of story.

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No.

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And in twenty eighteen, the largest statue in the world

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was unveiled, the Statue of Unity in Gujarat, India. It

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stands five hundred and ninety seven feet tall and it

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is of Indian independence leader Sadhar Ptal. I think that's

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twice the height of the Statue of Liberty.

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Oh that's some big statue it is.

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Yeah.

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See, and I gave you the short version. If I

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didn't give you the Indian name to read that was

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a hard one.

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Well, thank you, I appreciate that.

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Oh, so how'd you get it? How'd you switch you

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over from your books to the History of Murder the podcast?

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Yes, what about the History of Murder podcast?

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No, I was just letting what brought that one on?

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You've been writing your not Oh?

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Actually I had found out that someone who came over

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on the Mayflower had killed his neighbor ten years after

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he arrived in Plymouth, Massachusetts. And I like to joke,

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it's the first Pilgrim on Pilgrim violence that I'd ever

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heard of. And it just made me, like, I don't

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know why, obsessed with the idea of finding other connections

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between history and murder. And so I began to just

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compile a list which is now at about fourteen hundred

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cases where I can connect crime to the events that

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were happening around it. And I didn't know really what

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to do with it. I because I do write books,

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I thought, Okay, well, I'll write a book about it,

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you know, but it was so many cases that that

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was impossible, and a friend suggested doing a podcast. I

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didn't know anything about podcasts. I hooked up with my cousin,

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Margaret Smith, and she does all the visuals for our

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YouTube channel, and we were like, neither one of us

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knows anything about a podcast, so that we seemed perfect partners.

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So we just decided we would I would do the words,

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she would do the pictures, and we would figure it

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out together, which were only I don't know how many episodes,

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only maybe half a dozen episodes in and hopefully we're

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figuring it out. But yeah, it really was sort of

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an organic thing of I'm not done writing books. I'll

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continue to write books, but I really wanted to tell

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these stories and I didn't nowhere else to tell them

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that I could that I could do them justice, you know,

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because I wouldn't be able to tell all of them

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in a book. They were too many, and I just

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this seemed like the perfect place to go.

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And I'm definitely going to have you guys go check

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this out. Well, I mean, we'll keep talking about it,

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but if you're not knowing what you guys are doing,

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the quality of these are just incredible. It looks basically

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like a dateline TV episode almost.

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Well, thank you, Yeah, I mean, I think you know,

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it helps that I've that I've spent almost twenty five

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years in television. It helps that I and I bring that,

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you know, I just assume that's how we should do it.

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I mean, there's just two of us working on the content,

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by the way, and then we have an editor who

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puts it together. But like it's a lot for two people,

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but we bring that TV sensibility to it, and Margaret

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her profession is a librarian, so she brings a lot

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of the research and the meticulousness of it to that.

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So together we kind of figure it out. And what

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we really want to do is just bring it everything

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to life, you know, and put you there, put you

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in that space. And so sometimes our stories are you know,

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are intimate and personal family members killing each other. Sometimes

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they're bigger, they're things that change the world we live in.

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And sometimes they're famous stories, but we'd look for a

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twist on them. And sometimes they're stories that have been

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completely forgotten, have just been buried in the pages of history,

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and we get a chance by interviewing historians to dig

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them out again. And we also use actors to read

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some of the court documents or interviews or whatever, so

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that you can hear the voices of the people who

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were involved. And it's luckily we have some friends who

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are in fact professional actors, and sometimes we just use friends.

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So fourteen hundred stories, is it just a gut feeling.

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Is there something that intrigues you that makes it I mean,

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how do you figure out which Okay, we're going to

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do this one this week?

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Yeah, yeah, you know, we really sit down and kind

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of figure out, Okay, if we told this story, what

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is it about this story that stands out from say,

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guy kills his girlfriend story? Like, unfortunately, there are many,

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many of those, So what is it about this particular

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one that we want to tell? And if we can

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see something beyond just the case itself, then we expand

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on that. One of the early stories we did is

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in fact about a guy who killed his girlfriend, but

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it happened at a time when cars were coming into

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rural areas of the United States, and so it was

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changing the lives of people who lived in those rural areas,

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and that directly impacted the crime itself, and so we

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felt like, like, okay, that's a story we can tell.

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And we get very, very attached because we physically go

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to these locations. We go to the museums, we go

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to the cemeteries, We spend a lot of our time

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in cemeteries. We go and we take photographs of the graves,

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and we both of us stand there and say, we're

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going to tell your story. We're going to tell your story.

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You're not going to be forgotten. So it feels very

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very personal for us by the time that we actually

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finish it up, because we've walked the walk. You know,

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this isn't something we just do from a Wikipedia search.

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We we go out and make sure that we're telling

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the real story.

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Yeah. I think that's probably why it's so good, because

468
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:36.880
it is personal.

469
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.720
Yeah, it is personal. Yeah. We we carry it like

470
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.599
you were saying earlier about the people I've interviewed, and

471
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.920
I do carry them with me. I carry these people

472
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.559
with me too. We we talk about them by their

473
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:56.000
first names. Now we know them very well, and hopefully

474
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:57.680
we bring that to the show.

475
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:01.640
You definitely do. I'm a guy. I can't stressed that

476
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.359
the listeners enough. Man, you guys are really going to

477
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.359
like this. Hey, should we talk some birthdays?

478
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:28.640
Absolutely? Dale Evans by the Song of Dale Evans. Dale

479
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:32.319
Evans wrote that song for her and her husband, Roy Rogers,

480
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.240
in nineteen fifty one. She was born in Uvalde, Texas.

481
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.039
In nineteen twelve, when she was fourteen, she eloped. They

482
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.920
had a son, but the guy abandoned her and the boy,

483
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.960
so at sixteen, Dale went to Memphis to try and

484
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.160
make it in the movie business, which God bless her.

485
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.160
She told the boy, told everyone the boy was her

486
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.920
brother and she was raising him. She got jobs playing

487
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.319
the piano, working in radio stations and had some local success.

488
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:59.559
She got married and divorced more than two more times,

489
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.119
and in nineteen forty seven she married Roy Rogers. In

490
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.559
the fifties, she starred with him on the Roy Rogers

491
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:07.720
TV Show and they made a bunch of movies together.

492
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.799
They had five kids. Roy died in nineteen ninety eight

493
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.160
and she died in two thousand and one from heart

494
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.160
failure at the age of eighty eight. And did you

495
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:20.759
know that in nineteen sixty nine, Roy Rogers stand in

496
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:27.400
a guy named Danelle Spade. Cooley suspected that his wife

497
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:31.599
had had an affair with Roy Rogers, and they argued

498
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.960
and Cooley killed her. He served eight years in prison

499
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.000
and was released on furlough to play at a benefit concert.

500
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.799
He was performing at that concert when he had a

501
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.000
heart attack and died. So there is no evidence, by

502
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.839
the way that the wife, Ellie May Cooley, had had

503
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:49.599
an affair with Roy Rogers. But I just thought I'd

504
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.119
mentioned it because here's the thing that I have found.

505
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.599
Everything is less than six degrees of separation from a

506
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:57.559
murder case.

507
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.759
Well exactly. I mean, whether Roy and Dale had anything

508
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.319
to do with it or not, they were instrumental. I

509
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.160
mean the guy, even though Roy didn't even probably know,

510
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:08.640
might not even known the girlfriend, she ended up getting

511
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.200
killed because the guy suspected him of it.

512
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:15.480
Yeah, it's you know, she may have had a lovely

513
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.559
little chat with him or something. You know, who knows

514
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.480
he was obviously, as people who commit murder are not

515
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:28.480
really thinking on all, thinking anything through. So yeah, there's

516
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.640
no evidence that he had anything to do with her,

517
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.920
but there you go, it did happen. There was another

518
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.000
birthday today. Actor Michael Landon was born in Forest Hills,

519
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:42.160
New York, in nineteen thirty six. No known murders connected

520
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:46.559
to mister Landon. He is best known for playing his

521
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.839
work on TV, starting on Bonanza, where he played Little

522
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.519
Joe Cartwright, and then he was PA on Little House

523
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.720
on the Prairie and then Jonathan on Highway to Heaven.

524
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.200
He had two sons from his first wife, two sons

525
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.680
and three daughters from his second wife, and was married

526
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.759
to his third wife in eighteen. I'm sorry, I'm so

527
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.559
used to older stories. Nineteen eighty three, and he had

528
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.480
a son and a daughter. How many kids is that?

529
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.640
It's a bunch of kids. He died in nineteen ninety

530
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.599
one at only fifty four years old, from pancreatic cancer.

531
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.359
So do you remember TV Guide the thing?

532
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:21.640
Oh gosh, yeah, yeah.

533
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.599
It just had it printed its last issue on September

534
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.200
twenty seventh, so you can this year. Yeah, just a

535
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.000
couple of weeks ago, and now you can. You can

536
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.480
still subscribe to TV Guide, but it's online and it

537
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.200
doesn't give like the TV listings. You know, that's why

538
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.880
you about TV Guide, and so it showed you what

539
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.680
was on TV. Now they yeah, now they just do

540
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.720
entertainment stories. But for you older ones who actually remember

541
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.440
TV Guide when people got it to their house, Michael Lannon,

542
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.039
he was on the cover second most if he was

543
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:53.440
on their twenty seven times. The person who was on

544
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.519
TV Guide the most, Lucille Ball. She was on the

545
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:56.680
cover thirty nine times.

546
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:01.839
Wow. Wow. Actually, and she had multiple series as well.

547
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.559
And actually her son when I think we were all

548
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.640
way too young, but when Desi and Lucy had their son,

549
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:11.839
he was such a big celebrity thing like that. He

550
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.559
was actually the little I think he's like nine or

551
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.240
ten months old. He was the first person ever be

552
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:17.559
on the cover of TV Guide.

553
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.920
They put the actual Desi Arnaz Junior.

554
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.680
Yeah, they put his bit in the baby Hip. He

555
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.839
was on the first cover of TV Guy aw all right.

556
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.920
Actor John Candy. He's born in Toronto, Canada, in nineteen fifty.

557
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.680
He first got known from the movie Stripes, then Plane

558
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.240
Strains and Automobiles, The Great Outdoors Uncle Buck. Johnny got

559
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.039
married nineteen seventy nine and they had two children. Now,

560
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.359
according to everybody who knew him, he tried and tried,

561
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.599
but John he just could not lose weight for anything.

562
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.599
Ended up dying from a heart attack in nineteen ninety

563
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.480
four at seventy forty three years old. Actor Rob Schnetter.

564
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:54.920
John k seem like such a nice man.

565
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.400
Yeah's all you hear about is he genuinely was a

566
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:02.279
really nice guy. He said that between scenes that people

567
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.000
would sit there and think that, you know, the stars

568
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.279
they go their their trailers and all that kind of stuff.

569
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.279
They'd look over and there John would be just sitting

570
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:10.519
there bsing with the guys on the crew producers. He

571
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.039
get kind of Hey, John, they got to work, man.

572
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:16.519
I guess this guy's a pretty good guy too. Actor,

573
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.680
comedian Rob Schneider. He's sixty two. He's born in San

574
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.799
Francisco in nineteen sixty three. Start out on Saturday Night

575
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.079
Live for four years. Get this, he has been besides Adam.

576
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.720
He is the only one who's been in every single

577
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:28.759
Adam Sandler movie.

578
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.400
Oh wow, Well, I guess they're good friends.

579
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.319
Yeah. And his personal are his movies that he's been in,

580
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.440
those Deuced Bigelow, Male Jigglow movies, The Animal, Hot Chicks,

581
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.960
Bench Warmers. He actually has the best selling book out

582
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.599
right now. I think it has to do. It's kind

583
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.720
of a political book. I guess he'd say his take

584
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.400
on it anyway. And he is touring as a stand

585
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.559
up comedy act now. He had a daughter from his

586
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.480
first wife, married his third wife in twenty eleven and

587
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:55.319
they have two daughters.

588
00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:01.200
Lord, please give me for my wont to kill me,

589
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:03.400
but she tried to save me first.

590
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.200
You're going if I have to drag you a budget.

591
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:14.680
I love this crazy, tragic, sometimes almost magic, awful, beautiful.

592
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.039
That's country. Singer Dale Worley he's sixty one. He's born

593
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.920
in Memphis, Tennessee, in nineteen sixty four. Some of his

594
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.480
big hits sorry I Miss my Friend. Have you forgotten? Awful?

595
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.720
Beautiful life? If something should happen now. He married his

596
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.240
second wife in two thousand and seven. He was so

597
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.519
happy about getting married. I'm pretty much garant. I'm guaranteeing

598
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.279
you're not going to figure out how he's celebrated his

599
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:37.400
second marriage.

600
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.319
Oh gosh, I don't know wrote a song.

601
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.759
That would you would have thought, But no, He's celebrated

602
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.799
by imposing nude for Playgirl magazine.

603
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:46.920
He's fun.

604
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:47.839
He can't.

605
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.960
Sign yes six, So.

606
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.400
That's the perfect Halloween song. That's Annabel Lwin singing for

607
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.119
Bow Wow Wow. She was born in Rangoon, Burma in

608
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.559
nineteen sixty six. She's fifty nine years old today. When

609
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.880
the band Adam and the Ants broke up, the Ants

610
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.640
formed Bow Wow. They got thirteen year old Wow Annabel

611
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.759
to be their singer. Eventually she went solo, so the

612
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.720
guys replaced her and she didn't like that, so she

613
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:33.359
started Bow Wow Wow with Annabel. So there's two bands

614
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.759
with more or less the same name. Take your pick.

615
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.559
Do you want to hear the band or the singer, Jeff,

616
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:40.920
would you'd prefer the.

617
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:42.880
Singer, I prefer the singer than the band.

618
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.799
Yeah, I gotta say I would do Yeah, I'm all

619
00:33:45.880 --> 00:34:01.480
in that. Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, why not smoky? Next

620
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:02.000
morning we.

621
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:15.360
Finished Charlie che Now as a Beastie Boy, he was

622
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.360
known as ad Rock. Now. He was born Adam Horowitz.

623
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.440
He's fifty nine too. He was born in Manhattan, New York.

624
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.559
Now Adam. He started out in the punk band called

625
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:26.920
Young and the Useless. Now they would open for the

626
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.760
Beastie Boys, and then in nineteen eighty two the Beasts

627
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.679
They had an opening so there they added ad Rock

628
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.880
to the band. After he joined, they quickly became very popular.

629
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.360
Sol there were fifty million records. But when their main guy,

630
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.000
David y or Adam Yach, when he died in twenty twelve, Yeah,

631
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.039
the rest of the Beasties they said not to replace him.

632
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.360
They decide, you know what, let's just go on do

633
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:48.199
our own things again. So yep, that was the end

634
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:51.679
of the Beastie Boys. Horbitz. He married actress I owned

635
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.559
Sky for seven years in the nineties, and he married

636
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.920
a second wife in two thousand and six, and they

637
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:57.800
have a son.

638
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.199
Of that booze cuculations. You playing like a poisonous mushroom

639
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.239
dead lead when not playing to Meloch, anything less than

640
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:05.119
the best is a fella.

641
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:06.199
He love it, so'll leave it.

642
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.760
You bet I can't wage you bet.

643
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.800
I get pulls out a kid, don't play. If there

644
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.880
was a problem, Jo she got the hook on DJ

645
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:13.480
was loss?

646
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:21.159
Were you a big Vanilla Ice fan?

647
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.599
You know? I I I can't say that I'm a

648
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.280
huge Vanilla Ice fan, but I remember him and and

649
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.000
I enjoyed the Ice Ice Baby song when it was

650
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.519
out all back in the day.

651
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:32.079
Right.

652
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.840
Well, the name Robert van Winkel, that doesn't really sound

653
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.519
like a hardcore wrapper, so that's why he went Vanilla

654
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.079
Ice sounds a little more o g Now he's fifty.

655
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.719
It wasn't he from like the suburbs or someplace.

656
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.199
Yeah, he grew up rich down there in Dallas, Texas.

657
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.760
He was born in nineteen sixty seven, so yeah, his

658
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.280
parents had money. He actually started out as a professional

659
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.679
motocross racer and then during the race he broke his

660
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.280
ankle and while he was recovering, he got into really

661
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.679
big into hip hop. So he quit motocross and went

662
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.760
into basically just being a rapper and singer.

663
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.480
Now that song and now he rehabs houses.

664
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.719
Right, Not only was Ice Size Baby, it was the

665
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.400
first hip hop song to go number one, but it

666
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.920
was not the first rap song. The first rap song

667
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:16.159
to go number one, and he guesses it was Blonde Blondie,

668
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:18.320
her song Rapture gets credit.

669
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:20.760
Really yeah, so interesting.

670
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.480
So the first rap song is from Blondie and the

671
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.599
first hip hop song is from Vanilla Ice. That probably, okay,

672
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.519
I probably get some of those rappers a little. They

673
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.800
don't like that history, do they.

674
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.119
I would imagine.

675
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.360
Yeah, now he does rehab houses, like you said, But

676
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.679
he actually just opened up his own brewery down there

677
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.400
in Palm Beach, Florida. He just opened it up three

678
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.760
weeks ago. So you guys are in Palm Beach and

679
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.519
you wanted to go to a brewery. Yeah, he's got

680
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:47.119
one down.

681
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.320
There, all right. I will check it out, and I well,

682
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.119
you don't need ice in your beer, but still, I

683
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.719
bet the beers are cold, you know, some of ice.

684
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:56.280
He is cold.

685
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.599
She's Jon.

686
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:19.639
She she's Jon. Now, I'm not sure if this is

687
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.880
a sad story or not. See that was Lynn Bergerin.

688
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.079
She was the singer of Ace's Bass. She's fifty five.

689
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.199
She was born in Gottenburg, Sweden in nineteen seventy. Now

690
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.880
she for helped form Asa Basse in nineteen eighty seven.

691
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.519
Now they took their name from a Motorhead song called

692
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.000
Aesus Spades All that she wants the sign don't turn

693
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.519
around beautiful Life. Those are some Ace Bass song. Do

694
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.519
you remember them from the nineties, I absolutely do, yeah,

695
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.320
and those are all with Lynn saying. Now they sold

696
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.159
over fifty million records, so that makes them third all

697
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.199
time as the biggest selling Swedish artist. They're behind rock

698
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.280
Set and of course Abba down In two thousand and seven,

699
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.119
Lynn she just quit the band. So basically she just

700
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.239
dropped out of life. She didn't want to do with

701
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.039
anybody or anything. She became a reckless so she just

702
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.400
went and did her own thing and she didn't communicate

703
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.119
with anybody. The only person she really talks to or

704
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.840
communicates with is her sister, and she tells her sister

705
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.639
that she is having a great life and she is

706
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.360
perfectly happy. I guess great for Lynne, but I don't know.

707
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.400
It's just something about it sounds kind of sad, didn't it.

708
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.239
It does sound sort of sad, But I can imagine

709
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.480
that her experience was being sort of so many people

710
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:29.960
pulling at her and wanting something from her, and you know,

711
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:35.679
being surrounded constantly, not just by fans but by managers

712
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:41.159
and agents and record people. That the isolation is probably

713
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.320
just what she needs at the moment. She might not

714
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.039
always be that way, but I think that I can

715
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.679
understand wanting to just go all right, I don't want

716
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:50.960
anybody pulling at me right now.

717
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.239
Yeah, and hey, as long as she's happy, that's all

718
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.639
that matters. I mean, it's not like she's that goofy

719
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:57.280
or anything. Is just I just want to be left alone.

720
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:57.679
Good for you?

721
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what, if she's in Sweden,

722
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.480
there's very few places on earth that are more beautiful,

723
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:06.239
so she can enjoy.

724
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:06.559
Some of that.

725
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.880
Now, you said that you are going to keep writing?

726
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:11.920
Are going to do? Guys? Check out her books? They're

727
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:14.239
really good, just like our podcast. But are you gonna

728
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.239
do any writing or like any more? That Kate Conway series.

729
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:22.599
Yeah, yeah. That series is about a television producer who

730
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.800
solves murders. I've never solved a murder by the way,

731
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:29.079
But but yeah, I would love to write another Kate

732
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:33.920
Conway and and write, you know, just keep writing more

733
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.280
and more books. I have a series called The World

734
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:41.559
of Spies about a married couple who accidentally become spies,

735
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.119
and each book takes place in a different country, and

736
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.400
I sort of had to stop the series because of

737
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:51.519
the pandemic and I couldn't travel two different countries to write.

738
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.679
But I'm picking that back up again and hopefully going

739
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.199
to Japan to write the third book in that series.

740
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:03.079
So yeah, I what I love about fiction is that

741
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:07.719
you are literally making it up, and it's it's kind

742
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.920
of it's I feel a lot of pressure on the

743
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:14.840
history of murder to get it right, even though we

744
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:18.000
are talking about historical crimes and there isn't anybody here

745
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:22.880
to fact check me from the family, as it were.

746
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:27.159
The reality is, I don't want to be wrong about

747
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.840
what any of the things that we say, and I

748
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.760
don't want to I take it as if the crime

749
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.119
happened yesterday, and there's going to be lawyers who are

750
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:39.679
going to say, well, you can't say this or you

751
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.480
can't say that. But writing fiction means I don't have

752
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.519
to worry about any of that. You know, it's a

753
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.079
nice balance between the two of being able to just

754
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:50.800
go all right, you know, he does this or he

755
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:57.159
goes here. Like in fiction real life, it's the characters

756
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.280
that matter, it's the people that matter. So when I

757
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.559
write a book, I'm always focused on the people in

758
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:08.039
my stories and I and I think that's true for

759
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.239
the podcast as well. We're focused on the people of

760
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:13.679
that stories and what they were like and what happened

761
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.000
with them. And we try to tell you. We try

762
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.639
to create characters or pull from the people and talk

763
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.960
about specifics so that you follow the story of some

764
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:30.639
people throughout rather than just tell you from the outside.

765
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:32.840
We like to pull you in. That's why we use actors.

766
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.039
We'd like to pull you into the characters that were

767
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.480
there and what they went through. And so I guess

768
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.719
I'm learning I pull a little bit of my fiction

769
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:49.400
work in terms of telling the story as it you know,

770
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.280
in the same way, but being meticulous about the facts.

771
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.840
And then when I'm writing fiction, I'm I'm not as

772
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:03.000
worried about the facts, but I am concerned that whatever

773
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:07.159
world I set up, I stay true to it. So

774
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.920
there's a fact, there's facts in it. In that whatever

775
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:12.679
I create, I have to be true to it.

776
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:14.840
Is that why you always have to travel before you

777
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.039
even though it's fiction. Instead you can just make it up,

778
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:19.719
you still have to go there to see it in

779
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:20.679
yourself well.

780
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:24.440
One hundred percent, because you know, people get stuff wrong,

781
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.679
and I don't want to get I don't want to

782
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.119
get it wrong. I want to I want to tell

783
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:33.480
you what it sounds like and smells like and feels

784
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.920
like to walk that street. Also, I like to travel,

785
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.199
So maybe I'm using the books as an excuse, but

786
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.800
but I think it's really important. And there are stories

787
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:47.800
in my books that came from real life experiences that

788
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.119
I had that I would never have written about if

789
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.800
I hadn't experienced them. Silly things, but still you know

790
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.559
just how long it took to get someplace, or what

791
00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:02.800
some meal tasted like. And I think having experienced it myself,

792
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.039
I can write about it more fully nothink.

793
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.280
That's I think that's why they're so good. I mean,

794
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.280
thank you you could have. I mean, I'm sure a

795
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:12.039
lot of the writers out there and they just kind

796
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.559
of man, I'm not going to go over and see

797
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.159
what Fargo, North Dakota actually looks like. I'm just gonna

798
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.119
have them traveling through where you'll actually go.

799
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.480
Oh, you should go, and that that that is also

800
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.679
the reason that we go for the history of murder.

801
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.360
We go because if you just if you just look

802
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:32.639
everything up on the web, you you will get stuff wrong.

803
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.719
There is something about being in the location and seeing

804
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.400
it for yourself that you can go, wow, this really

805
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.199
is isolated, you know, or wow this you know? This

806
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:49.960
is I see the splendor of this place. And for

807
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.679
a fiction writer, absolutely it just makes such a difference.

808
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.800
You can bring a richness to it that you cannot do.

809
00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:58.880
It's kind I always say, like, it's kind of like

810
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.320
if I wrote a novel about hockey. I've been to

811
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.039
a couple of hockey games. I don't know enough about

812
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.599
it to write fully. For me to write a novel

813
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.599
about hockey, I would want to play. Not professionally, so

814
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.800
don't don't anybody out there offer me a contract, but

815
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.320
you know I would want I would want to be

816
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.719
able to say what it feels like, because otherwise I'm

817
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.000
probably going to get stuff wrong.

818
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.119
Exactly so, and we're going to put links and make

819
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.079
it easy for you all to actually find her books

820
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.320
and definitely good to the podcast. You're going to love

821
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.400
both of them. Well, thank you very much for coming

822
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.599
on here, Claire. You've been awesome.

823
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.039
Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's been

824
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.119
really fun and educational to learn all the stuff that happened.

825
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.320
And the happy Halloween to everybody out there.

826
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.480
Exactly. Remember she's got eighteen bags of candy, so you know,

827
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:49.599
probably get there before she runs out.

828
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.519
Yeah. I don't live in sleepy Hollow anymore, so I

829
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.519
don't buy as much candy, but I will run out

830
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.880
and when I do, or I will close the door

831
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.599
and just eat the leftovers. I haven't decided yet.

832
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.119
Alrighty, We're gonna end with our quote of the day.

833
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.480
It comes from the first James Bond actor, Sean Connery.

834
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.039
He died to day in twenty twenty at ninety years old.

835
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.239
Sean said, love may not make the world go round,

836
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.119
but it makes the ride worthwhile. You guys all have

837
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.039
yourselves an awesome day, and thank you for listening. Don't

838
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.159
forget to follow us, and definitely look on the show's

839
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.079
description today so you figure out where how you can

840
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.760
get onto our books and definitely the podcast. All right,

841
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.719
our Country Underground Radio artist of the day. It comes

842
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.360
from Susiel player in Manitoba, Canada. She knows here Elsie

843
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.880
sunders song. Never have I ever you guys have an

844
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.320
awesome day and we'll talk tomorrow.

845
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:46.000
Never have I ever used a fake ID seventeen on

846
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.920
Saturday night. Never have I ever stne to say bread

847
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:52.960
or grive the bird at a traffic lad.

848
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.639
Yes alone a half take a couple of of somewhere.

849
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.880
Everything I'm about say the true decide a line. Never

850
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:06.960
ever ever thank you Scattist.

851
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.000
The way you think is spot lie.

852
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:12.639
Never never had a call of Scottist.

853
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.519
Her name is Jong for the mom shot.

854
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:18.559
Never have I hit someone bring a mom to take

855
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.440
him back to my hometown mom.

856
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.639
Never have I hit somebody sealing my home Doumy bonn

857
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:32.360
so hard? I never have I ever tell you say

858
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:41.239
never have I ever had a gold church with a

859
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.679
head that hurts just a little hung overs he'd son

860
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:48.159
a bar covered up scard with the butterfly tap too

861
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:49.400
on my shoulder.

862
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.159
Yes, someone I had sick.

863
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:57.559
If you sou for everything I'm about.

864
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:59.800
Say the true designe.

865
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:00.400
Yeah.

866
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.559
Never have I ever been are cyclist the way he

867
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.440
makes fars lie. Never never I have a call of bird.

868
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:13.239
Cycas Burnam is strong brother mother Shine. Never have had

869
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.480
someone to bring one of Mama, take him back to

870
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:20.360
my hometown. Never have I had somebody stealing in my heart.

871
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:21.880
Down the bounce so hard.

872
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:22.880
I never have a