Oct 31st-Halloween, John Candy, Bow Wow Wow, Beastie Boys, Vanilla Ice, Ace of Bass, Nevada Birthday, Rob Schneider

0:19 Well, hi everyone, I am Jeff and thanks for joining us on History and Factory is about today? Yeah, I know what did day is? But we have something awesome for you today. We have just a total awesome co host, one of the best writers out there, and she's got this really incredible video podcast that we're going to tell you about. So we're not gonna just scare you with a simple boo that's for kids. We're gonna add some little intrigue to you today. So Claire, why don't you gon to introduce youself? Sure, my name is Claire o'donahue and I'm the host of the History of Murder podcast. I'm also a true crime TV producer and a mystery writer, so all things murder pretty much, and the History of Murder podcast is sort of a combination. Well, we like to say we put crimes in context. We tell you about the crime, but we tell you about the events that were happening that impacted the crime as well.

1:11 Well, you've always been into books, right, always. Yeah, So started off with a writer and then you got into we'll talk about it later. You had really good books out there, so then you went into TV and that's kind of what your forte was it's true grime on that. Yes. Yes, most of the stuff that I've worked on in TV is lots of lots sort of some famous ones like Forensic Files and the first forty eight and lots and lots of of different types of true crime shows that I've worked on, and I've interviewed a lot of different people in that world as a result. Cool. Have you always been a Halloween fan? I love Halloween. You know, it's originally an Irish holiday and my parents are from Ireland, so it is something that's sort of in the.

1:58 DNA, I guess, so, well, we might as well start celebrating. Today is Halloween. I'm the one shot red hair. Well, happy Halloween, are you goblins and ghosts out there? Halloween it means Hallows Evening. That's the night before Hallow's Day and that's where all the Catholic Saints are honored. Now, by the late eighteen hundreds, like Claire said, kids in Scotland and Ireland, they would dress as costumes and go door to door and get food. Then in trick or treating, and that's starting Canada in nineteen twenty seven. So by the nineteen thirties, trick or treating. It was all across Canada and the United States. So today, according to Statistics, forty eight percent of you will wear a costume, forty six percent of you, yeah, you're gonna carve a pumpkin, sixteen percent of you're gonna dress up your dog, and you're gonna ptend like you weren't home. Where do you fall in on those Claire.

3:04 Oh, I I it's been a while since I won't a costume, I'll admit that. But what I like to do is get lots of Halloween candy and enjoy opening the door to many many, hopefully many many trick or treaters that will come by, and then getting to eat the left over candy if there is any. Yeah, I had to go out again. I kind of ate my Halloween candy. I bought it a little too early this year. Some more. Yeah. I used to live in Sleepy Hollow, New York, which is famous, of course for the legend of Sleepy Hollow, and I think they used to bust kids in because I'd go through thirteen or fourteen bags of candy every year, and eventually I would be in that twenty one percent and I have to turn off the lights because we would run out of.

3:50 Candy, right, and that the whole thing. You hope they realize that once the fourth front pork lights out, kids, you're done, you know, don't go up there anymore. You're done. Yeah, you're done. Yeah. And usually by that time it's the older kids, because the younger kids come early so they can buy their own candy. And it looks like it's gonna be a nice weather all across the nation, so all the kids should be able to have a pretty good Halloween this year. Good, good, Absolutely, it's a really lovely if it's a nice day. It is. Actually, I do remember that as a kid, A lovely fun experience. Yeah, it's just a fun day. Don't read too much into just enjoy the day. It's nothing wrong with that, absolutely, all right, this is going on entertainment. In October thirty first, let's goat your twenty twelve, the number one album was Babble by Month for and Sons Room five had the number one song with one More Night Across.

4:38 My Heart and I Hope You Die. I'll Only Stayed with You Monting a million times Only. Stay Taylor Swift. She had the number countries on with we are never ever ever getting back together. On getting together, to. Your friends, to.

5:24 Getting back together. The number one book was The Panther by Nelson de Mill. You read that. One, No, I haven't aught to look for it. The top movie was wreck itt Ralph. Now Ralph, he is tired of being a bad guy. He wants to be the hero of a video game. Well, he accidentally brings in an enemy that probably takes out the entire arcade. So Ralph is voiced by John c Riley. Then you've got Sarah Silverman and Jacqueline Brayer in there. Okay, so after you started your career, how'd you end up in the TV? Actually? I got a job on a show called Simply Quilts on HGTV because I make quilts and the show was looking for people who could speak the language as all hobbies have a particular kind of set of words and phrases, and could write. So I fit perfectly into that.

6:16 And I worked on that show for four years on and off, and then just kept going. So worked in TV in different fields, and little by little made my way from that kind of television to more documentary and true crime. It's kind of hard to say, is there any true crime that really haunts you, since we're talking about Halloween that even to this day is just kind of represents evil. Oh gosh, yeah, I think, you know. I think the hardest interviews I've done are with family members of victims, because it doesn't matter if the murder happened, you know, a year ago or twenty years ago. Family members are haunted by it. They hold the grief very strang wrongly obviously, they hold the thoughts of what their loved one must have must have been thinking in the final few moments.

7:09 So those are hard and uh and I didn an interview one time with a killer in Montana who the guards told me that they would stop the interview if he tried to kill me, which I was very grateful for, and I was like, yeah, you should totally do that. If he tries to kill me, you should you should stop. He was very nice though, he actually was extremely nice to me, So there you go. Uh, but I remember that moment of just I've interviewed a lot of killers. That was the only time that anyone's ever suggested somebody might do me harm. But.

7:49 That one, Yeah, I went back to my hotel that night and went, Wow, that was weird. That's true. You might have a really good subject to because everybody all these big murder cases on TV and everyone that neverbody watches it, and you know, they're intrigued by it, and then it comes out, Okay, it's over. People forget about. There's victims and families and members on both sides. It is not over for them. It's never over for them. It's never over for the families of the victim. It's never over for the families of the killer. I've interviewed those as well, and they live, you know, with a different kind of haunting, right the families. A mother of a woman who was murdered. I remember her saying to me that she felt the most sorry for the mother of the killer, because that woman would have to live with what her son had done, and at least she could live with the memories of her daughter.

8:42 It's it just it's a it's a ripple effect that goes, you know, to both families, to the communities, to everyone who knew both people involved. It really yeah, it. Having had an up close and personal seat to it for a number of years, you really see it. You really see it for what it really is and not not just the sort of and I'm as guilty of this as anyone, the sort of entertainment of it, but you see the reality of it. Yeah, I was just going to ask that that's a fine line you have to walk so you're not exploiting them, but yet you're getting their story across. You really have to. It's kind of a fine line there.

9:23 It's a very fine line. And believe me, I have asked people why are they doing it? And a lot of times what I find from family members is what they say is when you go to court, you have to sit there quietly while the defense attorney drags down your family member or friend because they're trying to get their client off right and you can't say anything. That is how the justice system works. And being on television is a chance for them to write the ship and to talk about this person that they love in a full way, and maybe in some cases it also is a sense of warning to someone who might be in a similar situation to their loved one that they could potentially hey, you know, these are the red flags that were ignored. Hopefully you won't ignore them. So we try to do right by people. We try to be respectful of people, and I've been lucky. I think most of the stuff that I've worked on does do that. I don't think everyone does that. And I think in the podcast we also even though these are cases that happened one hundred, two hundred, three hundred years ago, there are still people, there's still families, They everybody might be dead, but it was still a real person and we try to be respectful of them and what happened in that situation as well.

10:53 So what have you found most that most of the murders are committed by great or lust? You know, I think it's probably split fifty to fifty, and I think those are two of the biggest things. I think here's the number one reason I think murders are committed entitlement. I really do think that a lot of killers feel entitled to the love, the money, the position, the whatever, and they and it's weirdly not as personal. It's you're standing in the way of my having custody of the kids, or my owning the business full time, or quiet in the neighborhood, or my particular point of view being heard or whatever it is. You're standing in the way of it. So I'm going to kill you.

11:38 But I really think it's more entitlement than anything else. Yeah, I hadn't looked at that. I was simple like greedor less. But I think you nail it on the head right there. I think entitlement. You're probably right. That sounds right. All right, Let's see what happened. It's scary but true. All right. What happened in October the thirty first, In fifteen seventeen, Martin Luther he started the Protestant Reformation. His ninety five thesises is what was wrong with the Catholic Church. He ended up sending it to the Archbishop of Brandenburg in Germany. Now, Luther had been a priest and amongk for about ten years when he did this. Now there's a story about him nayling the thesis is to the door of a church. And now that didn't happen. It's just get talking. According to Luther, he said that basically he just wanted to start a discussion. Well, his ninety five thesis they made it all the way to the pope, and when the Pope burnt about it, yep, Luther was immediately excommunicated and had to run for his life. But their Protestant Reformation, ye split year and a half. The northern half kind of went to be the Protestants and the southern half mainly went to be State Catholic. And that's general, it's not just one hundred percent. That's kind of what happened eighteen forty six. The Donner Party, we've all heard about them today. They realized that they were stuck. They could not go over the Sierra Nevadam mountains and they couldn't go back, so they had just set up a camp for the winner. So you kind of heard about some stories that most people don't hear about the Donner Party, right.

13:00 Yeah. There were two Indian guides who were named Lewis and Salvador. They were shot and cannibalized around January eighth of eighteen forty seven. It's also possible that Tamsen Donner was murdered in March of eighteen forty seven, but we don't know that for sure. So, yeah, there was murders. They didn't just eat people that had died, they killed people too. That dirty sigh right there.

13:49 Okay, Happy birthday Nevada today. In eighteen sixty four, Nevada became the twenty sixth state the Spanish named it Nevada for the snow covered mountain ranges. Even though most of the state is desert. Eighty six percent of Nevada is uninhabited, but where people do live it is kind of cool. The capitalist Carson City. The highest point is Boundary Peak at thirteen and forty seven feet, and I'm not going to climb it, so I'll just take your word for it. The Nevada state bird is the mountain blue jay, and the fish appropriate for today is the cutthroat trout. The flower is sagebrus the reptile desert tortoise the mammal desert big horned sheep. Some people who were born in Nevada include tennis player Andre Agassy, baseball's Bryce Harper, actress Don Wells, race car drivers Kurt and Kyle Busch, and and excuse me, Dan Reynolds, the lead singer of Imagined Dragons.

14:40 Right, then you know what their nickname is. Nope, they are the Silver State. Oh is that right? Yeah, at the time, Nevada has actually had more silver come out of than anyplace else in the United States. Oh yeah, and now they keep all the silver when people go there to gamble. Exactly except now they've brought in a lot of gold too. Yeah, and and and probably bitcoin. That's right, that'd be kind of interesting to hear. But they bet they are gambling that when you think. I would assume so I don't know anything about bitcoin, but I would assume that people do gamble. It all right. Well, in nineteen thirty and the first paved highway that ran coast to coast across the United States opened up. It's called the Lincoln Highway. So you're in Illinois, so probably a Lincoln fan, huh?

15:26 I love I ram Lincoln. Yes, he was a defense attorney in multiple murder trials, by the way, and we have a Lincoln Highway here as well. I don't know if it's the same, if it's like a same road that goes all the way through, or if it's just another road that's called the Lincoln Highway. Not sure it might have been. It might've been like Route sixty six once the Interstate came through. You know, it kind of like it's still there, but it's not the They don't really right about it. Yeah, it's disconnected. Yeah. Well, this one was three three and eighty nine miles long. I went from Times Square, New York City all the way to San Francisco. Now, it wasn't like the interstate, so I know that's what people were thinking about. No, it was just this little two lane ira and it meandered, it didn't. It just went from town to town to town.

16:10 It's not like he had overpasses or anything like that. Now, World War One in nineteen seventeen, it was last time in the world history a cavalry charge was successful. Now was in Palestine at the Battle of Beersheba, the Australian Calvity, and they were able to pull it off. If you're not sure what the cavalry is, that means they were all on horses. So they were charging machine guns on horses. So that's why it was the last time it has ever been able to do successfully. Nineteen twenty three at Marble Bay in Australia. Now, their temperature hit one hundred degrees today. Now that temperature, it would hit one hundred degrees for the next one hundred and sixty days straight, you know, for a little come my gosh. So if you want a little comparison, Phoenix just set their record a couple of years ago. They went one hundred and thirteen days straight where it hit a hundred, so two hundred and sixty. You ever do any international in your international stories on your murder mysteries.

16:58 That's our hope. I love to travel. My parents are from Ireland. I've lived in Ireland and England. I have family all over the world, so I have free places to stay. And yeah, absolutely would love to do stories because there's some really fun stories all over the world and we would love to tell them. So fingers crossed we get a chance to do that. Cool. Nineteen eighty three, Ron Grant he became the first person to run all the way around Australia. That means on the actor. Took him two hundred and seventeen days and he ran eight three hundred and sixteen miles. He went from Brisbane to Brisbane basically. So this guy, I don't know how he pulled it off. He actually had to run thirty nine miles a day in order to do that.

17:46 Oh my god, I don't have the idea of driving all around Australia sounds exhaust So. Wow, I can't in mind driving eight thousand miles and that would be hard and I'm going to do it. Yeah, To be honest with you, I don't even want to be in a plane for with that take about seven eight hours. I probably picked about fifteen hours. Yeah, yeah, to go to fly from Yeah, that's a it's a big place in Australia. It won't be a plane that long. Nineteen eighty four, the Prime Minister of India name was India Gandhi. She was assassinated by her two bodyguards. They killed her while she was walking through the garden at the Prime Minister's residence and while she was being interviewed for a documentary on Station in Ireland. Now they shot her over thirty times. Now, they didn't run or anything. They just stayed there until the police got there. Obviously they were executed. Nineteen ninety two, Pope John Paul the second he had to take one for the team. That Pope. He was there from the time it was time for the Catholic Church to come clean.

18:44 He had to publicly announce to the world that the Catholic Church was wrong. They should not have persecuted astronomer Galileo as badly as they did. So it took three hundred and fifty nine years, but Pope John Paul, he admitted the Galileo was correct. There does revolve around the sun. And yeah, he shouldn't have been tortured and forced to live the late last eight years of his life under house arrest. I'm sure that's some great comfort to his family. Have you heard or seen the movie Soulsurfer? Souls Surfer Today. In twenty thirteen, thirteen year old Bethany Hamilton had her arm bitten off by a shark while she was surfing in Hawaii. I've never surfed, and that doesn't make me want to do it.

19:26 No, that's not really a recruiting poster kind of story. No. And in twenty eighteen, the largest statue in the world was unveiled, the Statue of Unity in Gujarat, India. It stands five hundred and ninety seven feet tall and it is of Indian independence leader Sadhar Ptal. I think that's twice the height of the Statue of Liberty. Oh that's some big statue it is. Yeah. See, and I gave you the short version. If I didn't give you the Indian name to read that was a hard one. Well, thank you, I appreciate that. Oh, so how'd you get it? How'd you switch you over from your books to the History of Murder the podcast? Yes, what about the History of Murder podcast?

20:06 No, I was just letting what brought that one on? You've been writing your not Oh? Actually I had found out that someone who came over on the Mayflower had killed his neighbor ten years after he arrived in Plymouth, Massachusetts. And I like to joke, it's the first Pilgrim on Pilgrim violence that I'd ever heard of. And it just made me, like, I don't know why, obsessed with the idea of finding other connections between history and murder. And so I began to just compile a list which is now at about fourteen hundred cases where I can connect crime to the events that were happening around it. And I didn't know really what to do with it. I because I do write books, I thought, Okay, well, I'll write a book about it, you know, but it was so many cases that that was impossible, and a friend suggested doing a podcast. I didn't know anything about podcasts. I hooked up with my cousin, Margaret Smith, and she does all the visuals for our YouTube channel, and we were like, neither one of us knows anything about a podcast, so that we seemed perfect partners.

21:22 So we just decided we would I would do the words, she would do the pictures, and we would figure it out together, which were only I don't know how many episodes, only maybe half a dozen episodes in and hopefully we're figuring it out. But yeah, it really was sort of an organic thing of I'm not done writing books. I'll continue to write books, but I really wanted to tell these stories and I didn't nowhere else to tell them that I could that I could do them justice, you know, because I wouldn't be able to tell all of them in a book. They were too many, and I just this seemed like the perfect place to go.

22:02 And I'm definitely going to have you guys go check this out. Well, I mean, we'll keep talking about it, but if you're not knowing what you guys are doing, the quality of these are just incredible. It looks basically like a dateline TV episode almost. Well, thank you, Yeah, I mean, I think you know, it helps that I've that I've spent almost twenty five years in television. It helps that I and I bring that, you know, I just assume that's how we should do it. I mean, there's just two of us working on the content, by the way, and then we have an editor who puts it together. But like it's a lot for two people, but we bring that TV sensibility to it, and Margaret her profession is a librarian, so she brings a lot of the research and the meticulousness of it to that.

22:47 So together we kind of figure it out. And what we really want to do is just bring it everything to life, you know, and put you there, put you in that space. And so sometimes our stories are you know, are intimate and personal family members killing each other. Sometimes they're bigger, they're things that change the world we live in. And sometimes they're famous stories, but we'd look for a twist on them. And sometimes they're stories that have been completely forgotten, have just been buried in the pages of history, and we get a chance by interviewing historians to dig them out again. And we also use actors to read some of the court documents or interviews or whatever, so that you can hear the voices of the people who were involved. And it's luckily we have some friends who are in fact professional actors, and sometimes we just use friends.

23:52 So fourteen hundred stories, is it just a gut feeling. Is there something that intrigues you that makes it I mean, how do you figure out which Okay, we're going to do this one this week? Yeah, yeah, you know, we really sit down and kind of figure out, Okay, if we told this story, what is it about this story that stands out from say, guy kills his girlfriend story? Like, unfortunately, there are many, many of those, So what is it about this particular one that we want to tell? And if we can see something beyond just the case itself, then we expand on that. One of the early stories we did is in fact about a guy who killed his girlfriend, but it happened at a time when cars were coming into rural areas of the United States, and so it was changing the lives of people who lived in those rural areas, and that directly impacted the crime itself, and so we felt like, like, okay, that's a story we can tell.

24:54 And we get very, very attached because we physically go to these locations. We go to the museums, we go to the cemeteries, We spend a lot of our time in cemeteries. We go and we take photographs of the graves, and we both of us stand there and say, we're going to tell your story. We're going to tell your story. You're not going to be forgotten. So it feels very very personal for us by the time that we actually finish it up, because we've walked the walk. You know, this isn't something we just do from a Wikipedia search. We we go out and make sure that we're telling the real story. Yeah. I think that's probably why it's so good, because it is personal.

25:37 Yeah, it is personal. Yeah. We we carry it like you were saying earlier about the people I've interviewed, and I do carry them with me. I carry these people with me too. We we talk about them by their first names. Now we know them very well, and hopefully we bring that to the show. You definitely do. I'm a guy. I can't stressed that the listeners enough. Man, you guys are really going to like this. Hey, should we talk some birthdays? Absolutely? Dale Evans by the Song of Dale Evans. Dale Evans wrote that song for her and her husband, Roy Rogers, in nineteen fifty one. She was born in Uvalde, Texas.

26:35 In nineteen twelve, when she was fourteen, she eloped. They had a son, but the guy abandoned her and the boy, so at sixteen, Dale went to Memphis to try and make it in the movie business, which God bless her. She told the boy, told everyone the boy was her brother and she was raising him. She got jobs playing the piano, working in radio stations and had some local success. She got married and divorced more than two more times, and in nineteen forty seven she married Roy Rogers. In the fifties, she starred with him on the Roy Rogers TV Show and they made a bunch of movies together. They had five kids. Roy died in nineteen ninety eight and she died in two thousand and one from heart failure at the age of eighty eight. And did you know that in nineteen sixty nine, Roy Rogers stand in a guy named Danelle Spade. Cooley suspected that his wife had had an affair with Roy Rogers, and they argued and Cooley killed her. He served eight years in prison and was released on furlough to play at a benefit concert.

27:38 He was performing at that concert when he had a heart attack and died. So there is no evidence, by the way that the wife, Ellie May Cooley, had had an affair with Roy Rogers. But I just thought I'd mentioned it because here's the thing that I have found. Everything is less than six degrees of separation from a murder case. Well exactly. I mean, whether Roy and Dale had anything to do with it or not, they were instrumental. I mean the guy, even though Roy didn't even probably know, might not even known the girlfriend, she ended up getting killed because the guy suspected him of it. Yeah, it's you know, she may have had a lovely little chat with him or something. You know, who knows he was obviously, as people who commit murder are not really thinking on all, thinking anything through. So yeah, there's no evidence that he had anything to do with her, but there you go, it did happen. There was another birthday today. Actor Michael Landon was born in Forest Hills, New York, in nineteen thirty six. No known murders connected to mister Landon. He is best known for playing his work on TV, starting on Bonanza, where he played Little Joe Cartwright, and then he was PA on Little House on the Prairie and then Jonathan on Highway to Heaven.

28:55 He had two sons from his first wife, two sons and three daughters from his second wife, and was married to his third wife in eighteen. I'm sorry, I'm so used to older stories. Nineteen eighty three, and he had a son and a daughter. How many kids is that? It's a bunch of kids. He died in nineteen ninety one at only fifty four years old, from pancreatic cancer. So do you remember TV Guide the thing? Oh gosh, yeah, yeah. It just had it printed its last issue on September twenty seventh, so you can this year. Yeah, just a couple of weeks ago, and now you can. You can still subscribe to TV Guide, but it's online and it doesn't give like the TV listings. You know, that's why you about TV Guide, and so it showed you what was on TV. Now they yeah, now they just do entertainment stories. But for you older ones who actually remember TV Guide when people got it to their house, Michael Lannon, he was on the cover second most if he was on their twenty seven times. The person who was on TV Guide the most, Lucille Ball. She was on the cover thirty nine times.

29:56 Wow. Wow. Actually, and she had multiple series as well. And actually her son when I think we were all way too young, but when Desi and Lucy had their son, he was such a big celebrity thing like that. He was actually the little I think he's like nine or ten months old. He was the first person ever be on the cover of TV Guide. They put the actual Desi Arnaz Junior. Yeah, they put his bit in the baby Hip. He was on the first cover of TV Guy aw all right. Actor John Candy. He's born in Toronto, Canada, in nineteen fifty. He first got known from the movie Stripes, then Plane Strains and Automobiles, The Great Outdoors Uncle Buck. Johnny got married nineteen seventy nine and they had two children. Now, according to everybody who knew him, he tried and tried, but John he just could not lose weight for anything.

30:46 Ended up dying from a heart attack in nineteen ninety four at seventy forty three years old. Actor Rob Schnetter. John k seem like such a nice man. Yeah's all you hear about is he genuinely was a really nice guy. He said that between scenes that people would sit there and think that, you know, the stars they go their their trailers and all that kind of stuff. They'd look over and there John would be just sitting there bsing with the guys on the crew producers. He get kind of Hey, John, they got to work, man. I guess this guy's a pretty good guy too. Actor, comedian Rob Schneider. He's sixty two. He's born in San Francisco in nineteen sixty three. Start out on Saturday Night Live for four years. Get this, he has been besides Adam. He is the only one who's been in every single Adam Sandler movie.

31:29 Oh wow, Well, I guess they're good friends. Yeah. And his personal are his movies that he's been in, those Deuced Bigelow, Male Jigglow movies, The Animal, Hot Chicks, Bench Warmers. He actually has the best selling book out right now. I think it has to do. It's kind of a political book. I guess he'd say his take on it anyway. And he is touring as a stand up comedy act now. He had a daughter from his first wife, married his third wife in twenty eleven and they have two daughters. Lord, please give me for my wont to kill me, but she tried to save me first. You're going if I have to drag you a budget. I love this crazy, tragic, sometimes almost magic, awful, beautiful.

32:14 That's country. Singer Dale Worley he's sixty one. He's born in Memphis, Tennessee, in nineteen sixty four. Some of his big hits sorry I Miss my Friend. Have you forgotten? Awful? Beautiful life? If something should happen now. He married his second wife in two thousand and seven. He was so happy about getting married. I'm pretty much garant. I'm guaranteeing you're not going to figure out how he's celebrated his second marriage. Oh gosh, I don't know wrote a song. That would you would have thought, But no, He's celebrated by imposing nude for Playgirl magazine. He's fun. He can't. Sign yes six, So.

33:06 That's the perfect Halloween song. That's Annabel Lwin singing for Bow Wow Wow. She was born in Rangoon, Burma in nineteen sixty six. She's fifty nine years old today. When the band Adam and the Ants broke up, the Ants formed Bow Wow. They got thirteen year old Wow Annabel to be their singer. Eventually she went solo, so the guys replaced her and she didn't like that, so she started Bow Wow Wow with Annabel. So there's two bands with more or less the same name. Take your pick. Do you want to hear the band or the singer, Jeff, would you'd prefer the. Singer, I prefer the singer than the band. Yeah, I gotta say I would do Yeah, I'm all in that. Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, why not smoky? Next morning we.

34:07 Finished Charlie che Now as a Beastie Boy, he was known as ad Rock. Now. He was born Adam Horowitz. He's fifty nine too. He was born in Manhattan, New York. Now Adam. He started out in the punk band called Young and the Useless. Now they would open for the Beastie Boys, and then in nineteen eighty two the Beasts They had an opening so there they added ad Rock to the band. After he joined, they quickly became very popular. Sol there were fifty million records. But when their main guy, David y or Adam Yach, when he died in twenty twelve, Yeah, the rest of the Beasties they said not to replace him. They decide, you know what, let's just go on do our own things again. So yep, that was the end of the Beastie Boys. Horbitz. He married actress I owned Sky for seven years in the nineties, and he married a second wife in two thousand and six, and they have a son.

34:58 Of that booze cuculations. You playing like a poisonous mushroom dead lead when not playing to Meloch, anything less than the best is a fella. He love it, so'll leave it. You bet I can't wage you bet. I get pulls out a kid, don't play. If there was a problem, Jo she got the hook on DJ was loss? Were you a big Vanilla Ice fan? You know? I I I can't say that I'm a huge Vanilla Ice fan, but I remember him and and I enjoyed the Ice Ice Baby song when it was out all back in the day. Right. Well, the name Robert van Winkel, that doesn't really sound like a hardcore wrapper, so that's why he went Vanilla Ice sounds a little more o g Now he's fifty.

35:40 It wasn't he from like the suburbs or someplace. Yeah, he grew up rich down there in Dallas, Texas. He was born in nineteen sixty seven, so yeah, his parents had money. He actually started out as a professional motocross racer and then during the race he broke his ankle and while he was recovering, he got into really big into hip hop. So he quit motocross and went into basically just being a rapper and singer. Now that song and now he rehabs houses. Right, Not only was Ice Size Baby, it was the first hip hop song to go number one, but it was not the first rap song. The first rap song to go number one, and he guesses it was Blonde Blondie, her song Rapture gets credit. Really yeah, so interesting.

36:21 So the first rap song is from Blondie and the first hip hop song is from Vanilla Ice. That probably, okay, I probably get some of those rappers a little. They don't like that history, do they. I would imagine. Yeah, now he does rehab houses, like you said, But he actually just opened up his own brewery down there in Palm Beach, Florida. He just opened it up three weeks ago. So you guys are in Palm Beach and you wanted to go to a brewery. Yeah, he's got one down. There, all right. I will check it out, and I well, you don't need ice in your beer, but still, I bet the beers are cold, you know, some of ice. He is cold. She's Jon.

37:10 She she's Jon. Now, I'm not sure if this is a sad story or not. See that was Lynn Bergerin. She was the singer of Ace's Bass. She's fifty five. She was born in Gottenburg, Sweden in nineteen seventy. Now she for helped form Asa Basse in nineteen eighty seven. Now they took their name from a Motorhead song called Aesus Spades All that she wants the sign don't turn around beautiful Life. Those are some Ace Bass song. Do you remember them from the nineties, I absolutely do, yeah, and those are all with Lynn saying. Now they sold over fifty million records, so that makes them third all time as the biggest selling Swedish artist. They're behind rock Set and of course Abba down In two thousand and seven, Lynn she just quit the band. So basically she just dropped out of life. She didn't want to do with anybody or anything. She became a reckless so she just went and did her own thing and she didn't communicate with anybody. The only person she really talks to or communicates with is her sister, and she tells her sister that she is having a great life and she is perfectly happy. I guess great for Lynne, but I don't know.

38:16 It's just something about it sounds kind of sad, didn't it. It does sound sort of sad, But I can imagine that her experience was being sort of so many people pulling at her and wanting something from her, and you know, being surrounded constantly, not just by fans but by managers and agents and record people. That the isolation is probably just what she needs at the moment. She might not always be that way, but I think that I can understand wanting to just go all right, I don't want anybody pulling at me right now. Yeah, and hey, as long as she's happy, that's all that matters. I mean, it's not like she's that goofy or anything. Is just I just want to be left alone.

38:57 Good for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what, if she's in Sweden, there's very few places on earth that are more beautiful, so she can enjoy. Some of that. Now, you said that you are going to keep writing? Are going to do? Guys? Check out her books? They're really good, just like our podcast. But are you gonna do any writing or like any more? That Kate Conway series. Yeah, yeah. That series is about a television producer who solves murders. I've never solved a murder by the way, But but yeah, I would love to write another Kate Conway and and write, you know, just keep writing more and more books. I have a series called The World of Spies about a married couple who accidentally become spies, and each book takes place in a different country, and I sort of had to stop the series because of the pandemic and I couldn't travel two different countries to write.

39:52 But I'm picking that back up again and hopefully going to Japan to write the third book in that series. So yeah, I what I love about fiction is that you are literally making it up, and it's it's kind of it's I feel a lot of pressure on the history of murder to get it right, even though we are talking about historical crimes and there isn't anybody here to fact check me from the family, as it were. The reality is, I don't want to be wrong about what any of the things that we say, and I don't want to I take it as if the crime happened yesterday, and there's going to be lawyers who are going to say, well, you can't say this or you can't say that. But writing fiction means I don't have to worry about any of that. You know, it's a nice balance between the two of being able to just go all right, you know, he does this or he goes here. Like in fiction real life, it's the characters that matter, it's the people that matter. So when I write a book, I'm always focused on the people in my stories and I and I think that's true for the podcast as well. We're focused on the people of that stories and what they were like and what happened with them. And we try to tell you. We try to create characters or pull from the people and talk about specifics so that you follow the story of some

41:25 people throughout rather than just tell you from the outside. We like to pull you in. That's why we use actors. We'd like to pull you into the characters that were there and what they went through. And so I guess I'm learning I pull a little bit of my fiction work in terms of telling the story as it you know, in the same way, but being meticulous about the facts. And then when I'm writing fiction, I'm I'm not as worried about the facts, but I am concerned that whatever world I set up, I stay true to it. So there's a fact, there's facts in it. In that whatever I create, I have to be true to it.

42:13 Is that why you always have to travel before you even though it's fiction. Instead you can just make it up, you still have to go there to see it in yourself well. One hundred percent, because you know, people get stuff wrong, and I don't want to get I don't want to get it wrong. I want to I want to tell you what it sounds like and smells like and feels like to walk that street. Also, I like to travel, So maybe I'm using the books as an excuse, but but I think it's really important. And there are stories in my books that came from real life experiences that I had that I would never have written about if I hadn't experienced them. Silly things, but still you know just how long it took to get someplace, or what some meal tasted like. And I think having experienced it myself, I can write about it more fully nothink.

43:05 That's I think that's why they're so good. I mean, thank you you could have. I mean, I'm sure a lot of the writers out there and they just kind of man, I'm not going to go over and see what Fargo, North Dakota actually looks like. I'm just gonna have them traveling through where you'll actually go. Oh, you should go, and that that that is also the reason that we go for the history of murder. We go because if you just if you just look everything up on the web, you you will get stuff wrong. There is something about being in the location and seeing it for yourself that you can go, wow, this really is isolated, you know, or wow this you know? This is I see the splendor of this place. And for a fiction writer, absolutely it just makes such a difference.

43:53 You can bring a richness to it that you cannot do. It's kind I always say, like, it's kind of like if I wrote a novel about hockey. I've been to a couple of hockey games. I don't know enough about it to write fully. For me to write a novel about hockey, I would want to play. Not professionally, so don't don't anybody out there offer me a contract, but you know I would want I would want to be able to say what it feels like, because otherwise I'm probably going to get stuff wrong. Exactly so, and we're going to put links and make it easy for you all to actually find her books and definitely good to the podcast. You're going to love both of them. Well, thank you very much for coming on here, Claire. You've been awesome.

44:36 Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's been really fun and educational to learn all the stuff that happened. And the happy Halloween to everybody out there. Exactly. Remember she's got eighteen bags of candy, so you know, probably get there before she runs out. Yeah. I don't live in sleepy Hollow anymore, so I don't buy as much candy, but I will run out and when I do, or I will close the door and just eat the leftovers. I haven't decided yet. Alrighty, We're gonna end with our quote of the day. It comes from the first James Bond actor, Sean Connery. He died to day in twenty twenty at ninety years old. Sean said, love may not make the world go round, but it makes the ride worthwhile. You guys all have yourselves an awesome day, and thank you for listening. Don't forget to follow us, and definitely look on the show's description today so you figure out where how you can get onto our books and definitely the podcast. All right, our Country Underground Radio artist of the day. It comes from Susiel player in Manitoba, Canada. She knows here Elsie sunders song. Never have I ever you guys have an awesome day and we'll talk tomorrow.

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