From Hollywood to Moët Hennessy: Danielle Frank on Wine, Parenting, Career Pivots & Finding Joy

0:03 So teachers kids and manners and to have some heart and soul. Without that, your kid may well turn into an a hole. I know, it's just so funny. Welcome back to the Running Wine Mom podcast. I'm your host, Samantha Sleinsky aka the Running Wine Mom. Today we have Danielle Frank, former Hollywood publicist turned wine and spirits storyteller, author of A Wine Lover's Guide to Parenting, and a strategist at Moay Hennessy. We will talk about how Hollywood shaped her approach to luxury brands, why wine is the perfect lens for parenting wisdom, the rituals every parent should steal, and the funny, tender stories behind the book. So, without further ado, let's welcome Danielle.

0:47 Welcome, Thank you, thanks for having me on your fabulous podcast. Yes, when I got the email from you, I was like, excuse me, A Wine Lover's Guide to Parenting? Like is that me? Thing could be more perfect? So thank you for sharing it. I'm excited to talk about it. It's going to be a fun time. Yeah. Before we get into the book. To start each episode, we have our Wine, Wine and One of the Week segment. That is where we share our favorite bottle of wine, then about something that's been bothering us, and celebrate our recent victory. So grab a by 's take a deep breath and let's get started. So, Danielle, what is your drinking wine of the week. Well, I'm gonna and this is going to sound this is not my everyday life people, so don't think of this.

1:30 But I literally just got back from a trip in Spain with my best friend to celebrate her fiftieth birthday. So I'm going to say that my wine of the week was this bottle that we got in Rioha. We stayed at this amazing frank Erie designed hotel called the Marquis de Riscal, and they have a winery and we had the most delicious wine there. It was just a whole experience of it all. So I'm going to say the Marquis de Riscal Reserva from Rioha twenty twenty one. It's just evoking memories of my trip that I just got back off of, and that leads me into my wine of the week is that I just came off holiday seas in Spain and now it's back to reality, back to work. So I am I'm going to whine a little bit about that.

2:16 And it's perfectly fine too, because like post vaca depression, you just are like off for a couple of days. You're like, what I was just in this like beautiful place and now I'm just back to grinding on work. Yeah, vacation blues is a thing, but a win. And again this is gonna sound like I lead like the most glamorous life, but it's just so happens, and it's like this is like coming after one after another. But I just booked a trip to London because I just got invited to the Royal Ascot event. So that's a win because now I have another trip to look forward to get me out of my post vacation slump. And when is that going to be? That is in June? Okay, how exciting. Yeah, that seems super exciting.

3:02 So I always like to ask my guests, what is one significant challenge you've successfully navigated shaping your journey to where you are today? You know, I think for me it hasn't been just one significant challenge. I mean my life has been sort of rooted in transformation, you know, uprooted my life from New York to la I did a major career pivot from the entertainment industry to wine industry. I had a life pivot breaking up with my fiance because I realized that the life I thought I was going to happen, including the path to motherhood, he was not interested in. You know, he said he wanted kids, and then he's ultimately he didn't want more kids. So my whole life is sort of rooted in transformation. And that's what I love being on these podcasts and talking about is shining a light on is embracing these pivots because I've learned it can really lead you onto a new path that maybe you were meant to be on all along.

3:55 And I think it's so scary for so many people who are maybe like comfortab and doing well in their positions that they are to kind of go like which we'll talk about it, but going from you know, something in you went to two totally different kind of paths, you know, and to hear that there's happiness on both of those paths is something that I think people don't realize that that can happen. So I'm excited to talk about that with you. But before we do, we talk a little fitness. What's your favorite way to stay active. I am. I always need to be active. I do pilates, I do berries, boot camp, and I do boxing. Okay, so I rotate between the three.

4:40 Yeah, I was gonna say, which is your favorite of the three or you just are you like all of them? Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, you know, the berries I don't like. I'm getting old and I never liked running, so I do they do like predominantly lift classes, right, I do those instead of like the half run half lift. And as you get older, I'm turning fifty two in two weeks. Us ladies, we need to lift. More, like forbousity and all that. So I've been enjoying joying the lift classes. Like certain days, I like back back in arms, so I don't like doing the legs. But yeah, so I like that. And I've really been loving my pilates reformer classes. I love Plate's reforms so much. It's like the hardest but best thing. And what do you think? How do you think maintaining your fitness routine aligns with your mental health?

5:28 I think they go hand in hand. I mean, when I don't work out, it's you know, it's really working out your body, really exercises my mind. You know, it's just you not only do you feel. Good physically, but that that physical you know the physicality of like working my body really works my brain. And it's like I need I need it. It's like a drug, you know. I mean even just even on vacation for two weeks, Like I don't work out when I'm traveling on vacation. It's just I'm there on vacation. I'm not gonna pactinates and I'm there to enjoy. You know. One of the things I love like about Spain or Europe is like you walk everywhere, So for me, everywhere.

6:08 Same thing. It's like just moving your body. That's you know, moving your body really moves my brain. I love that. All right, well let's get into you. You have your book. I have it right here, A Wine Lover's Guide to Parenting. It reads like a bedtime story for the exhausted adults, which I thought was so fun. It's great, it's an awesome, clever concept, but underneath there is real perspective in it. What inspired you to write a parenting book as someone who you you weren't a mom when you wrote the book. Yeah, and I'm still while I'm a dog mom, so Burt, cover your ears. No, I'm not a mommy.

6:49 You know, as I said, you know, the path to motherhood sadly didn't happen for me, but you know, the nurturing doesn't go away. And I was a bonus mom to my ex's kids for many, many years. I'm an aunt to my niece nephew, but I am aunt Danielle to many and many of. My friend's kids. I love it, so, you know, as as that unofficial ante, I sort of get the best seat in the house, right I get to witness the chaos, the triumphs, and the tantrums, but I get to do it with a glass of. Wine and no carpool duty. Yeah. College, but you know, from the sidelines, you know, I can cheer, laugh, and it gives me sort of a lighter lens to see parenthood with a cumuric compassion. And sometimes I can see, you know, it gives me the lens to see it because sometimes when parents are so deep in it, it's hard to see just the humor in it all, you know, And I see it with fresh eyes, and you know, as I said, sometimes parents are a little too deep into it and I've listened to parents trade war stories like battle heartened soldiers on the field, and sometimes when you're in the trenches, it's not as easy to see that you can turn brape juice into wine, you know. And coupled with my years of working in the wine and spirits industry for over twenty two years, it was easy for me to take.

7:58 A step back and see that just the fun pair of else to it all. Yeah, And I love that because I am in the trenches with an almost four year old and a five year old. Sometimes you do you have to like step back and you're like, is this really a big deal in the grand scheme of you know, let's just relax And that is why I like my wine because. I'm much more relaxed with that. Absolutely. And I also say, you know, you don't need to be a parent to a good behavior and human beings right, like all the lessons as you've seen, it's basic common you know, behaviors and decency right, teaching kids, manners, teaching kid you know, to letting them breathe, to be worldly, you know, to be open minded, like all these things are just basic human to behavior. So I'm not coming at it from a place of you know, I'm an expert, I've studied, I'm a plot.

8:47 It's like coologies or anything like that. It's just from a place of, you know, even though the path to motherhood didn't happen to me, for me, I'm still invested in wanting to see the next generation and the generation after that still being raised well because as you know, we kind of need it right now. So true. Yeah. Now, in addition to being an author, you started in film publicity at Miramax, and you later pivoted into wine and spirits. Tell me about Tell everyone, tell the listeners about the pivot. What scared you, what thrilled you, and what from Hollywood changed your wine career forever. Yeah. So, you know, I started, as you said, at Miramax, and I thought I'd be in the entertainment industry forever, something just I always wanted to do. Again, It's sort of that like life pivot thing. Like you when you're younger, you think you know what you want to do, and it was great. I mean I was in my twenties traveling the world, going to this film can Film Festival, Venice, Berlin, you know, running around Europe on you know, as a twenty something year old living in New York City and it was great.

9:51 And then I decided to move to LA and there were. No studio jobs, so I worked for a personal PR firm, you know, representing the talent directly, and I just part of me just knew that wasn't my journey. But I was ready to leave New York. I was ready to leave Miramax. So it just got me out here. And I just. Remember, you know this, when I went into the company that I went to, it was also a very toxic environment. And I remember the first day I showed up and like three of the publicists were in their office like crying and and. Just personal pr is just I don't know, it's not for me. You know, it's no disrespectful for those that do it, But I care more about my life than somebody else's life, and I don't want to manage somebody else's life. And I just remember, like in all my years at Miramax, six years or so, like there was never you know, of course, there's days you're like, eh, I don't feel like going to work, I'm a little hungover whatever, which it was the weekend. There was never a day where I had that like pit in my stomach. And when I was working at this PR firm, there were in three months, there were days that I was like, I just this is the worst feeling.

10:56 I don't want to go in the office. And that was sort of opening for me. What a horrible feeling this is to have, you know, we spend most of our time at work. What an awful feeling this is to like have that angst in your gut, in your stomach. And you know, some of that comes with naivety. I was like twenty nine years old, so I didn't have responsibilities. I didn't have a house, I didn't have anything. So there was a little naivete to just quit without having another job, and I fell into this role in why is Spheares? I thought it'd be temporary, and here i am twenty two years later, even though I'm only twenty one, and I know it's wild, but yeah, you know. And then I realized that sometimes the most empowering decision is acknowledging that the job, the relationship. That's why I broke up my That's also why I felt empowered to break up with my fiance when I realized how unhappy I was in the relationship.

11:47 So sometimes acknowledging. This job, relationship or version of the life that you are clinging to is costing you peace. You know, that was really defining for me. And you know, when we pause long enough to listen to those pivots can become invitations and you know, not endings, and it can lead us to work into lives that, certainly for me, feels more aligned, honest, and fulfilling. For sure. Yeah, I feel like I, well, I'll be forty in a couple months, and I feel like a lot of people my age right now, including myself, are like at this like pivot stage where it's like you've maybe been in your job or position for fifteen plus years and then you're like, all right, I.

12:28 Want to do something else. And it's scary to think about. But I feel like everyone that I talk to who's like made the leap is like, I'm so much happier on the other side of things, which is like pretty nice to hear. I love that. I mean, I've just always been a proponent of like we have one life to live, you know, it's like I want to do with it. I want to do everything and anything that I possibly can within legal limits. Right, you know, and because you know, I just want this to be the happiest life, you know. And of course it's easier than done right, Like, it's not so easy to quit a job and just get another job. But you also don't know until you try and put yourself out there and you know, no one's saying you have to quit, and you know, but start exploring the things that you want to do, start exploring the things that make you happy, because you know, yeah, we don't live an infinite life, so might as well.

13:17 Do what you can. I love that. And you speaking of living great lives, have lived inside worlds most people only see on screens. Hollywood, luxury brands, lead events. What's something about that world that would genuinely surprise a lot of the moms listening right now? Who are you know, right past bedtime or living in not the luxury world. At the moment. Yeah, what might surprise people most is how normal it all is behind the scenes. You know, the glamour is real, but it's leading and you know, most of the times it's long hours, it's logistics, it's problem solving. So it's sort of the same emotional dynamics that moms are dealing with all the time, right, you know, ego and right pretty juggling.

14:02 Priorities that exists at every level. And you know, just with you know, Hollywood and the windustry is all just dressed up in better lighting, that's all. Yeah. I love that. That's a great and that does make it normalize that, like your feelings at whatever you're doing right now in motherhood, people can be feeling those same feelings even though it's not the same experience in any walk of life, which is something I think we also forget as well. Yeah, it's like the world of Instagram too, right, It's like everybody posts like what you want and to see it, you know, That's why. I mean, I know people get enamored with like Hollywood, and of course it's like you see people on the big screen. But you know, I always say, like they're people just like every one of us.

14:43 Like they you know, you know, they eat like we do. They you know, they go to the bathroom like we do. And sometimes, like you know, I think we get so enamored with who we think what they are and who we want them to be or. A character that they played. But you know, some are nice, some aren't nice. Just like people on the street, you know, just like friends and all that. There are human beings and it doesn't make them better than any one of us, that's for sure. Yeah, I love that. Can you walk us through a red carpet memory that maybe shaped how you communicate with people and tell me whether that same approach would work when you're selling a bottle of champagne to a five star hotel. You know, I can't recall like a particular red carpet moment.

15:24 I would just say, like generally, the overall industry, right, it's all about storytelling, that's everything. It's about bringing someone into the story, into the experience, romanticizing the moment. And that's what I've used, you know, in all aspects of my life, and that's what I carried over into the wine and spirits industry. It's it's the same thing I'm selling a brand, I'm selling a story. I'm selling the history, the heritage of you know, Madame Clico. How she was you know, technically the first female entrepreneur and taking over her husband's winery when he passed, which was unheard of, and how she you know, transformed the wine industry, creating the first or all these things. It's it's all about creating a story and then all about creating romanticism of like you know what the wine does for you, and you know, even for the consumer, it's she doesn't have to be jarring. It's it's just it's about evoking emotion.

16:18 Where were you when you first enjoyed your glass of wine or the memory you have of having your first sip of Moet and Chandan or Don Perry Newon And yeah, it's all about storytelling, which I love, you know, translates into why I love writing as well. Yeah, I know. And as you're I'm like, you are really good at storytelling because I'm thinking of all of these things as your I'm like, my gosh, I love that. That's like, you know, woman based and I can remember my first lass of you know. I just I love all of that. That's really cool and I need to get better at doing that. I feel like myself. As a side note, but you know, your great, this good podcast. Thank you. I was thinking though, I was like, I just like talking to different people online, like putting it together a lot of times I feel like I stumble with my wording of what I actually do in this space and I'm like, so many people can storytell so much better than I can. I feel like when having a conversation and you know, that was just kind of the perfect example.

17:17 I'm like, I wish I was good at that, but no, you're great at it, and you know what, that's that's the beauty. I love a podcast. I've been doing so many with that promoting this book, and that's my It's been my favorite medium because I mean as a listener, I love podcasts because it's all organic conversation, right right, it's two people talking. That's what I like to hear because perfect so nobody's a perfect story, that's for sure. I know. I'm like, it's just a structured conversation for podcasting. When people get nervous coming on, I'm like, it's it's all good. It's just me having the questions that have a certain topic. But I love to talk, so like, I'm good with asking all the questions. But back to you talking. Your book uses eleven playful lessons. How do you choose which wine terms to pair with which parenting truths?

18:05 And pairing That. Surprised you when it clicked, which was something that I thought was so cool. The wine terms that were paired with the parenting shows. How did you pick those? Yeah? So, well, it all started. I was watching my niece and nephew. This is about fourteen years ago, wrote this book. You can imagine it's hard to, you know, bring your baby to fruition. And I was watching my niece and nephew and they were young at the time maybe now they're in college, and they were great kids. But of course every kid is the propensity to wine. And I was like, uh uh, Auntyanielle dreswine. She doesn't listen to wine. And that's when the idea first came to me, so, you know, and right at the same time as well, a book came out by Adam Mansmach called Go the f to Sleep. I'm sure you're.

18:46 Familiar with that, yes, yeah. It started open this window to this new genre of adult children's book and so I love that because I love to rhyme. And then so I just sort of had this The wheel started turning, and I had this idea of like, I wouldn't it be great, you know, especially somebody in the wine and spirits industry. I love making wine knowledge accessible and easy, you know, learning about why I shouldn't be jarring. It shouldn't be you know, daunting. I wanted to be fun and easy, and so I started to think about, you know, how it could apply to human behavior talking about parenting. Every time I use wine terminology gives the definition. So yeah, I started thinking about it sort of, it's sort of one hand in hand, right, started thinking about what behaviors do you want to talk about, right, like teaching kids manners, letting kids breathe. But then I started thinking about wine terms that I could use as well.

19:40 Also started email wine terms that rhyme. Well, right, you don't see me using in the book at all, the word oneology, which is the study because there's not a lot of stuff that Ryan's are down. But yeah, so I just started thinking about that. But I think, like, you know, pairing that surprised me. I clicked and you know, is the plan where it's like i'll probably read this chapter later on, is is the one about you don't want your kids to ferment? So I really just started to think about, like the fermentation process is when you turn sugar into alcohol, Well, sugar something sweet. Alcohol is something you know, we think of as harsh in biting. So I just did sort of that play on words, and oh that can work with like, you don't want your kids turning from something sweet into ones that are harsh inbiting because they don't have manners, so right, you know, I started having fun with that and with like, you know, creative license on how we bridge those gaps.

20:29 Yeah, and I love how you make it humorous and it can be a pressure valve. But when does joking about parenting and drinking kind of risk crivilizing the real struggles, like how did you keep the tone respectful while while staying funny? You know, I think humor works when it is or release, when it releases pressure, not when it's just visit. I think the line is whether the humor makes someone feel seen. And that's always been Michael. Right as you know, as I say the ante and the bonus mom, it's you know, I want those around me to be seen because I am invested in those kids' lives that I'm involved with. I'm invested in their well being as well. So this sort of was my homage to do them and then to everybody else that's to top parents.

21:15 You know, I see you, I have tawd you. Parentsing is already heavy So the goal isn't a lot trivial, is it. It's to give people sort of a moment to exhale inside of it and just have a little levity with it. Yes, we all could use some humoral life, so I do that was it was like I was cracking off at the word. I was like, wow, I never thought of it this way or that way. And I'll have you read a little bit of it in a bit. But so one thing that I love researching my guests that are coming on and something that I just like, I was like, oh my gosh, she worked at the Hennessy.

21:57 It sounds like such a such a dream. What does the actual day to day look like for you? Yeah, no, it is. I still work there twelve years with them. It is dream. I feel so lucky, like I was with Bacardi USA for ten years. I've been coming celebrating my twelve year anniversary next month with mahat Hennessy. So blessed to work for a fantastic company representing great brands. But yes, I've had people ask me, like, you know, when I was a Bacardi do you drink Bacardi or Greek use all day? Or you know, do you drink wine all day now, Champaign, No, we don't. It's a job like it else. I wish I was getting paid just to sit around and drink something. Yeah, but no I am. I oversee our resort sub channel.

22:40 So I work with all the hotels at the corporate level, so for seasons, corporate Marriott, Corporate, Hyatt, Hilton, et cetera. So yeah, it's a. Lot of you know these days, you know, on zoom calls, doing presentations, presenting in person. To RFP's business review forecasting. Yeah, so a lot of a lot of the regular office stuff that that is required for a day job. Less drinking, more more, more, more, power points and zooming. Well, but you still get the nice maybe bubbly every once in a while, I'm. Sure, yes, yes, which is awesome. I know, it's such a it's when I had my kids, you know, of course I got a bottle of Moet like that was for both of them. You know, it's such a celebratory brand. I feel like, you know, really well known for that, which I just love that. So that's really cool that you've been with them for so long and that it's nice to hear that like you're you know, it's with good people that are working there, which is cool.

23:40 It's a great company. I'm very fortunate, really really happy there. Yeah. So how does brand storytelling for Champagne or Conyac kind of compared to telling a story of a family or a child's messy afternoon. Yeah, if you think about it, I mean, at the core, it's actually the same job, right, whether you're telling the story the shape paying house or chaotic afternoon with the tall toddler, you're you know, as I said, storytelling is about evoking emotions. So you're shaping emotion, you're shaping memory, you're shaping meaning. I mean, I think the difference is, you know, luxury brands, right, we edit for perfection. For life, though it's more meaningful because it's.

24:21 Unedited, all those unedited moments, that's what it's all about. But at the core, it's about, you know, shaping the emotion and the story for sure. And for the moms listening who maybe feel like wine is their only break, what's your take on that culture? Do you think it's healthy misunderstood? Do you think it's somewhere in between? I mean, I certainly think it's healthy. I think I think somewhere in between. I think it's understandable. Right, moms are carrying a huge mental and emotional load and they're looking for a moment to decompress. But obviously it can't be the whole tool toolkit. And that just goes for anybody, right, whether you know stressed about anything, you real self care is. About having multiple ways to reset through connection, through boundaries, through alone time, through laughter, not just one go do at the end of the day. But uh, but you can't beat a nice glass of line, that's for sure.

25:13 No. And something about the wine world that's pretty cool is that they it has so many rituals behind it. Do you have a ritual that you secretly think every parent should borrow and maybe one that you think that they could leave behind. Well, I think borrowing not just every parent can use. I think even I apply this in my daily life right when, like somebody sends a text I don't like, or or email and I'm about to fire something off. All about keeping the pause, the moment before you take that first step, right where you actually stop, you may breath. The wine parents rarely give themselves that pause, so I think just giving yourself that pause is certainly a ritual worth holding on to.

25:58 I think what I'd leave behind is all the rules. Right, I mean why we say why too, like, oh, it's supposed to be this class or the right way or the quote unquote proper way. To do it. You know, what do what makes you feel good. There's enough pressure without turning relaxation into another thing to get right. You know. Even when I go to dinner with my friends, and you know, because I work in the wine industry, they hand me the wineless. I'm like, no, it's I'm not a I mean, yes, I work in the windus tree. But it's all subjective. What I like, you may not like. There's not one wrong wine like I may like a heavy, you know, cabernet, and you may want a lighter one with your big It's all what works for you. We all have different palettes. We all, like I said, it evokes certain emotions and memories, and you know, we all enjoy different things.

26:46 So throughout the rule. Book and I I just recently, I've been up in New York City a lot the last couple of months, and one of the events that I went to was this app for It's called Veno Perte and it's so funny that you're talking about you know, the wine the wine list, and everybody has different stuff And basically it's this app you download and everybody you would put in what you like. I would put in what I like, and I can scan it and like it would analyze which wine that I personally would like to get a glass of wine over a bottle of and then like you know, it would do a different one for you if if you liked cab and I liked you know, uh, pino noir. And it's really cool. I've been using it a lot, especially to buy bottles. I was like, I did not think I was gonna like this as much as I did.

27:29 But that's fantastic. Does it does it like if you put in like something you like, does it make other recommendations of like if you like this, you might like it. Yeah. So once you start using it, it starts to like know who you like, know about you, and like you'll put like, yes, I liked this. Wine, no I didn't. And you can even filter it to like pricing for like under twenty dollars or like thirty to fifty dollars. It's really cool. Yeah, yeah, say what you will but I is an incredible thing for things like this too, like understanding you and helping. Like it's remarkable. There's there's some great applications with it and and that's I mean, that's fantastic and yeah, and it makes it approachable and. It makes it fun and that's what it should be. Yeah, and that's it, and that's what the creator of it was.

28:14 Like I didn't know anything about wine and I was in like Italy, in this beautiful little place, and I just had no idea if I was going to order a good or bit like I wanted a good glass of wine, but. I didn't know which one to order. I made in Europe, I swear you can't get a bad glass of wine. It's like, I know, like five dollars. It's like cheaper than getting a soda and it's like all fantastic, Like anywhere in France or Italy. Oh my god, I just want to move there. I hear you, I know. And then meanwhile, I was like Happy Hour fifteen dollars for a glass at New York City the other day. I'm like, okay, so if a child's tantrum were a wine fault, what would it be? And what's the best fix you found parenting or wine for getting past it?

28:58 The tantrum is is like a corked wine. It's not that the whole thing is necessarily bad, it's just temporarily off, a little overwhelming. I think to fix in both cases as patients, you don't try to overpower it. You don't argue with it. Although it was a little easier if a wine bottle is quirked, at least that you can. Throw it away. You don't want to throw as just patience. And so I kind of want to go to your career pivot one more time, but often that comes with imposter feelings. Did you ever feel out of place in the wine world after coming from pr and how. Did you kind of navigate that? Yeah, I mean I think you know, through those pivots. And also, you know, as I said, first I made the career pivot, then the relationship you start to you start to build up your armor of like what you're taking away from learning about these pivots, and then you know, so I started to when I made the career pivot and saw that I landed on this new journey, this new path that maybe I was meant to be on. Other, you know, all along, it certainly builds your confidence up right.

30:01 And so when I realized how unhappy I was in my relationship and that, you know, my fiance didn't want more kids and this never was going to be a happy marriage. Because I was had the confidence from the career pivot and saw how I landed back on my feet, it gave me the confidence to walk away from that relationship. And you know, so I've learned that embracing the change isn't failure. It's it's quite the opposite, you know. It can you can discover a new journey, discover new path that maybe permit to be on all along. And when you dive headfirst into that new path, rather than in the sadness of what happened, if you embrace it, it's only going to help repel you forward. So I say, there's no yellow brick one that leads you to OZ right, There's lots of different paths along the way. So you know, when you go one path and onto another, try and embrace it because there's no going back and you have to cross that bridge to get over it. So so and the only way to do that is to look ahead.

31:03 Mm hmmm. And what's your proudest micro win or big win from your time at either Bacardi or Moet or maybe a campaign, a relationship or bold idea that kind of paid off. Yeah. I think recently our new CEO came from Marriott, so he's like very hotel centric and focused, and since that's you know, my specialty leading that subchannel, I've been really engaged with him, which has been such a great learning experience. Is I created like a whole resort strategy, like a five year plan, So that was really Yeah, it was really I did that last year and we're embarking on that and the different steps. So it's exciting to be. A part of creating a journey for part of the path for you know, with the company that you're at. Cool.

31:49 So I'm gonna go through a quick little fun round for you. I'll go through each one and you can tell me the answer and tell us why you're going to pick this wine for this reason. So first, let's start with a rose for a rainy school drop off. Well, okay, try. I mean, I'm gonna be a little pious because I work with great brands. Yeah, you know, I want to talk about my fabulous brands, but also because honestly I really believe in them. I'm so the rainy school drop off, So I represent two fabulous Rose is the house of Minudie and Chateau d Sclan.

32:29 Chateau dscan. Has. Everybody knows Whispering Angel, but I'm going to say Rose for rain school drop off would be Chateau descons the beach it's and yeah, rainy school, the rainy day school drop off. You you're gonna pretend like you're at the beach. So I grab a bottle Beach Rose. I like that one a lot. So and that's the one that Whispering Angel makes right. The beach, Yeah, I each baby younger sister, we call it. Yes, yes, that's what I'm like. I know you said whispering but yeah, oh yeah. I love Whispering Angel. I love so much. And then the beach like in the summer, I mean I feel like I get it because it is a little later and it's great.

33:11 I mean the summer I get Whispering Angel too. Now I want some. How about a bold red for teenage negotiations? Yeah, I mean I think any any red is you know, especially in those teenage years, you a deep old Cabernet. For sure. I would say we represent Joseph Phelps. They have a beautiful Josephelps Cabernet. But yeah, a nice, rich bold Cabernet is ripe for that moment for sure. Yeah, and how about a champagne for a surprise homework free afternoon. Well you said it before about Moett. I mean we are known. Moett is the brand of celebration. It is certainly, you know.

33:55 And Champagne, I say, doesn't need to be for celebration, you know, but champagne is bubbles and sunshine in a bottle. It could brighten your day even on a bad day. But certainly Malatt. And Chandan the house of celebration for a homework free day. For sure. Those are perfect. And now I need some bubbles as well. I'll do I'll do them all. But so, can you share with us your favorite chapter or passage from your book, because I just feel as though, like I said, I was laughing at this when not at you know, I was just laughing through it reading it. It was just so fun and I loved the way that it's set up, and I think everybody needs to hear it.

34:35 Thank you so well. Choosing your favorite chapter is like choosing your favorite child. But I will read I love, I love the chapter. You don't want your kids to ferment. As I mentioned before, fermenting. Fermentation is when you turn sugar into alcohol. So you sugar something sweet. Alcohol is harsh inbiting. You don't want your kids turning from sweet to arch and biting because they don't have matters. Okay, So and for the reader for the list steners. Every time I use wine terminology, it gives the definition at the bottom. So manners, manner's. Manners are the key to it all. These lessons need to start even when they're small. Teach them this from day one, before they start to crawl. You don't want your kid to be the sour grape in the bunch and turn into a spoiled brat that kids want to punch when they start talking. Make sure they know thank you and please to always say bless you when they hear someone sneeze. Please and thank you are an absolute must.

35:24 Without that, your child the total bust. There's nothing worse than a child who has behavior that is crude because it'll continue as they're older and become someone who's rude people don't take kindly to it. Aren't nice to those with attitude because it's very off putting and puts others in a bad mood, oftentimes causing confrontation and leads to a nasty feud. Wanting to put a little bit of poison in your child's food is really how you want your kids to be viewed. Wouldn't you prefer that there's someone who's wooed. Without manners, they'll ferment and turn into someone harsh and biting. They may turn into a kid who's rude, obnoxious and always fighting. So teachers kids some manners and have some heart and soul. Without that, your kid may well turn into an a hole.

36:06 I know, it's just so funny, like there's so many good ones. I was trying to find the one I thought it was, so you know, the Sarah Sarab What will it be? What will it be? It's just like I love the connections to each each one, the words, and I just and I learned new words. I mean, I love wine and I love learning about wine, and I learned new for wine, which was sooice that I did my job. So if your book were a wine verital or a Champagne cuve. What would it be vintage tasting notes and the label copy you'd write for. I mean, I think it would definitely be a Champagne cub because that doesn't come from one perfect year, but from multiple vintages blended together, right, and so you know, I mean this label says it all right. It's the fine art of wine and wine management. That's the sub petting all life is managing our drinking wine and managing the the wine we hear from the kids.

37:11 Mm hmm, I know it's so yeah, I love it. My daughter, I mean, she's five, but she she likes to drink out of wine glasses, like her water in there. And she the other day we have like electrolytes and she put like red, the red electrolyts, and she's like, oh look. I'm like, mommy, it's so cute. But you know what I mean, I know for me, my, you know, that was part of the story and the romanticism for me too is growing up. My my parents were divorced. I to my dad on the weekends and it was like to go to a nice dinner and my stepmom and I started to learn about how they were enjoying like wine with the meal and so you know, it never became anything that was taboo for me. Actually, like when all my friends were out, like you know, starting drinking early, it's you know, because you know, they give me a little tasty you're in there, and right, it's never anything taboo, and it just became something about wanting to enjoy rather than to abuse or you know, think it is something you know. I mean, that's why you hear like Europeans, like you know, the French kids, like they're drinking wine at.

38:13 Ten or eleven. I mean, I don't don't want our kids drinking that young. But again, when it's something that's just part of the culture and it's not so taboo that it becomes something of enjoyment that people don't generally want to abuse. Yeah, my cousin lives in Rome and he has for twenty five more than almost thirty years, I guess, and his daughter when they came for Christmas the one year she was like, you know, thirteen or fourteen, and of course we're Italian and the Seven Fishes and the wine is flowing and someone's like, oh, another bottle needs and to be open, and she just literally goes unscrewed. You know, opens it like she's a pro, and I was like, oh my gosh, you opened that bottle better than me. You know, it's just like a normal thing thing there, and again it's the same. It's just it's not like it is where you're like, you know, binge drinking it over there.

39:01 It's just you're having it to enjoy it the way it's supposed to be enjoyed. It's a nice way of life. Yes, well, I this conversation was awesome. I think this is going to bring it to the end of another episode of The Running Wine Mom. And as I mentioned in the beginning, I don't think there was a more perfect book for myself and my listeners. So thank you so much for creating this masterpiece for everyone. Thanks so much, and thank you so much for having me on. This has been so fun. I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I hope your listeners enjoy it and this has been super fun awesome. As always, thank you so much for spending time with us today on The Running Wine Mom. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who needs to hear it. You can follow me on Instagram at the Running Wine Mom, Underscore and Danielle, where can the listeners find you?

39:48 And your book on? My book is available on Amazon dot com, Barnesonoble dot com. I have a website Daniellefrankauthor dot com and you can find me on Instagram at Create a Great Story. Affect and I will link all of that. So thank you again, thank you so much for joining us today. Remember you are strong, you are capable, and you are all amazing. Until next time, keep running, keep sipping, keep embracing the joy of motherhood. Cheers and I'll be back next Tuesday.