Holiday Sleep Survival: Protecting Your Kids’ Sleep & Your Sanity with Chrissy Lawler

Samantha (00:00)
I'm your host, Samantha Cieslinski aka The Running Wine Mom. Today we're diving into the ultimate level of parenting: surviving the holiday season with your kids' sleep and your own mental health still intact. We all know the drill, the holidays are supposed to be magical, cozy, and full of joy. But let's be honest, for parents of babies and toddlers, it can feel like navigating a high-stakes obstacle course packed with skip naps, late bedtimes, sugar overloads, and well-meaning relatives who think bedtime rules are made to be broken.

Chrissy Lawler (00:23)
Okay. And then

Samantha (00:28)
You want to make the magic, enjoy the glass of wine, and be present, but you also don't want to spend three days recovering from a single late night. That's why I am so thrilled to welcome back one of our favorite guests, Christy Lawler. Christy, sorry. my god, I said Christy. I'm sorry. I'm like, sorry, let me redo and okay, Christy Lawler. My bad. that's why I'm so thrilled to welcome back one of our favorite guests.

Chrissy Lawler (00:45)
Defeito.

Samantha (00:52)
Chrissy Lawler. Chrissy is a licensed marriage and family therapist, a newborn sleep specialist, and the brilliant mind behind the peaceful sleeper. Last time she was here, she gave us the roadmap to sleep training and finding our footing as parents. Today she is back in the hot seat to help us bulletproof our family's routines, navigate extended family boundaries, and handle the beautiful, chaotic schedule shifts of the holiday season without losing our minds. So Chrissy, welcome back.

Chrissy Lawler (01:17)
Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. I'm so excited to talk about this topic. like you said, I'm a marriage and family therapist and gosh, there's nothing like the holidays to redline mom's nervous systems. So the more that we can be prepared to have some chill and have good sleep, the better off everybody will be.

Samantha (01:23)
Yeah.

Yes, and as I was saying, as I was creating these questions, I was getting a little stressed myself thinking about the holidays. So I think this is going to be great for the audience and for myself as well.

Chrissy Lawler (01:51)
Yes, and a good reminder for me too. Like sometimes I have to say things out loud before I'm like, yes, I need to make sure I'm practicing what I preach.

Samantha (01:57)
All right. So let's get right into the thick of it. The holidays, as I mentioned, they're a magical time, but for parents of young kids, they can feel high stakes. you know, there's the late nights, like I said, the sugar, the ruined nap schedules. When you hear the words holiday schedule, what is the immediate psychological reaction in most parents' bodies or even in your body too?

Chrissy Lawler (02:21)
Yeah, I think unfortunately, stress, like high expectations, kind of this like high octane time of like go, go, go, magic, magic, joy, joy, let's do all the things. And I think as a mom, when you're a seasoned mom, you really realize that if I am going full speed all the time, I will crash.

And the result is not joy. And so I want to be joyful holiday mom, not yelling stressed out holiday mom. And the only way that we get there is by managing what drains our battery and what is charging our battery. How do we say no to more things so that the yeses that we have are joyful and meaningful?

Samantha (02:50)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Chrissy Lawler (03:14)
The biggest mistake that parents make is thinking like if I just white knuckle my patience, then I'll be good. And it puts all the pressure on you to like do something that's unrealistic.

Samantha (03:28)
Yeah. And I am so guilty of that. And it's so stressful when people say, especially when they are young, these are the magical years, these are you and you want to be like, okay, when they're forty years old, thinking back on their childhood, this if I don't do this one thing, their magic is gonna be ruined. And it this is just such a great reminder that it won't be.

Chrissy Lawler (03:50)
Love traditions, but I think our traditions can be so simple. There are other things that everybody else is doing. I say do that once. Like the Polar Express trip down to the train in the Santa and whatever.

Samantha (03:57)
Mm.

Chrissy Lawler (04:10)
Do that one time in your children's childhood. It does not have to be every single year we do the this and the that and the this and the that and the this. Like figure out what are the super meaningful things that you do. Like for us, we love to do fondue on Christmas Eve. It's so easy. It takes me 30 minutes to make that meal. It's a hit every single year. Easy to cook, easy to clean up. It's a great win.

Samantha (04:13)
Mm-hmm.

I love that.

Yeah.

Chrissy Lawler (04:39)
So let your traditions be something that are cheap easy wins because the magic of the holidays is actually just about spending time together and the big high energy things do that once in the childhood.

Samantha (04:56)
Mm-hmm. I love that. So we're also heading into the season of full of well-meaning grandparents, aunts, and uncles who will say, let them just stay up late this once. It's a special occasion. What is maybe a script that or a line that a mom can use to hold this boundary without feeling like you're the holiday Grinch?

Chrissy Lawler (05:17)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it really comes down to knowing your child. Even still. So I have four kids 13, 11, 8, and 6. Even still, I have one of my kids that can just power through anything and she is ready to go. I have another kid that like homegirl has no power through switch. Like she is not having a good time if she is sleep deprived. And so

Samantha (05:33)
Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (05:44)
The thing that I always liked to say was like, I wish that was an option for us. Like, I wish that worked. Or like, perfect! Do you want to be with them at two o'clock in the morning when we're melting down? I'm a big believer in like if we can figure out where the push is going to be, what our reaction is going to be, can we prepare earlier?

Samantha (05:51)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Search.

Chrissy Lawler (06:10)
So that we can still have lightness and humor of like my dad, for example, is so fun. He's so wonderful. He always has had the like, sleep when I'm dead. And so, like, I know that my dad is the king of fun, and he's for sure gonna want to take a three-year-old and an 18-month-old to Disneyland. And I'm like, love you for that. There's no part of that that sounds fun to me.

Samantha (06:13)
Mm.

Yeah.

Chrissy Lawler (06:37)
Let's postpone that for like five years down the road. And so if we can know the pushback that we're going to get from people, we can approach it with lightness and fun so that it doesn't have to be this sticking point.

Samantha (06:37)
Ha ha ha.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I agree with that. And it is so true with all different kids comes different just because one of the cousins can push through doesn't mean that another one of the kids can. So it is important if there's any grandparents or aunts and uncles listening to remember that.

Chrissy Lawler (07:09)
Right. Yeah, but I love like the smile. Like I so wish that was an option for me. I promise you it's not worth it.

Samantha (07:18)
Yeah. so if you had to put holiday sleep sabotage on a courtroom trial, who is offender number one? Is it gonna be extended bedtime, skipped afternoon naps, or the influx of holiday sugar?

Chrissy Lawler (07:30)
The above, Your Honor.

Samantha (07:31)
Ha ha

Chrissy Lawler (07:32)
That also really depends on the kid. You know, some kids, their sugar intake is going to send them through the roof. And then their behavior is worse. And then there's more screen time and there's more sibling fights. some kids can power through a skipped nap. So I think it's actually most important for you to know your child. What are the areas where we can lighten up? And what are the areas where, like, no, literally, this is not.

Samantha (07:36)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Chrissy Lawler (08:01)
Worth it. So we're not going to budge here. If I had to pick just one, I would say for a baby under two, it's overtiredness.

Samantha (08:03)
Right.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I d I totally agree with that. I feel like with when they're overtired, there's everything else just kind of falls it crumble crumbles like a the sugar cookies that you're eating. so then we also have travel around the holidays. It throws everything into a tailspin. so whether a family is staying in a crowded guest room or dealing with maybe time j zone changes or

Chrissy Lawler (08:22)
Yes, exactly.

Samantha (08:36)
What is maybe a three step action plan for setting up a sleep environment away from home?

Chrissy Lawler (08:41)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think number one, first and foremost, a portable white noise machine. depending on the age of the kid, I think blackout curtains are kind of your number two. And then something from home.

So maybe it's a crib sheet or it's a blanket or a stuffed animal or something that feels like home. Even my six-year-old still like my other daughter made her this like crocheted dream headband, something. And like wherever we go, Nolan has her dream headband and her dream spray so that she can sleep well wherever she is. Like

Samantha (08:57)
Mm.

Chrissy Lawler (09:20)
Little kids can have such a magical element tied to things. We really can tap into that.

Samantha (09:27)
Yeah, that's so important. so what's your philosophy on recovery days? If a family goes off the rails for Thanksgiving or Christmas Day, how quickly can a baby or toddler like bounce back? And what does one day of getting back on track look like?

Chrissy Lawler (09:41)
Yeah, I think again, there's so much that depends on the kid and how resilient they are and how well they compensate. I also, you know, this is supposed to be a fun and magical time. So you don't have to be perfect. Things are not going to go off the rails with a little bit of deviation. And sometimes the deviation is worth it. So

Samantha (09:54)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (10:05)
Figure out like if you are on vacation somewhere, I like to still prioritize one nap a day in their ideal sleep space and try try for like an 80% as far as like sleep time sleep space goes, where we're not expecting too too much from our kid, but also like you're gonna have some meltdowns and you're gonna have some overtiredness and you're gonna have some grumpiness.

Samantha (10:22)
Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (10:32)
Traveling and holidays are not the same post kids as they were pre-kids. The more that we can just radically accept that and acknowledge, like, there's gonna be some really wonderful moments and some really clunky moments, and it's all going to be okay, the better. And honestly, sometimes the memories. So I just did a girls trip with I have one little sister and then three older sisters in law. We all had babies at

Samantha (10:38)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Chrissy Lawler (11:02)
Around the same time, we had this horrendous family vacation where it was like a big, giant, extended family. We had 12 of us, including three newborns, all sharing one big room, like nightmare. But we but it was fine, and we survived, and we literally just had a girls' trip, and we are always reminiscing about that one trip in the blue room, and it's like

Samantha (11:08)
Like a big giant, etc.

my gosh.

my gosh.

Ha ha ha.

Chrissy Lawler (11:31)
Actually, like it was 48 hours. It was a little bit chaotic, but the bonding that came with the sisters and sisters-in-law, and like literally the decade of memories of like, do you remember the blue room? is like actually totally made up for the chaos that it was. So also know that like sometimes it's the imperfect moments that turn into actually the best memories.

Samantha (11:38)
Mm.

You're gonna find a round?

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that a lot of moms stress about, well, what's gonna happen in a day or two days or three days, but like you're saying, in a year or two, those couple days after, they're not gonna matter. Your kid's gonna be back on a sleep schedule. And I think sometimes with the stress around everything, it that can kind of be forgotten.

Chrissy Lawler (12:10)
Yes.

Yes, yeah, give it I think that the short answer to your question is give it one to three days to bounce back.

Samantha (12:22)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. So this year, Halloween is on daylight savings time. It's a Saturday. We are gonna have daylight savings time. you know, for the states that celebrate it, I guess. Not celebrate it, but go through it. I'm like, I don't even know anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. so this is gonna be a transition and a holiday shift. They are colliding big time this year. So parents may be starting their day at five AM with a

Chrissy Lawler (12:34)
Yeah. Or plagued by it.

Samantha (12:50)
sh a sugar a kid on a sugar high still. what is maybe an immediate strategy to shift that clock back without driving yourself crazy?

Chrissy Lawler (12:58)
Yeah, I think so there's two different approaches. One is shift the clock 15 minutes a day for the four days beforehand so that your schedule doesn't really get thrown off. I honestly think daylight savings time is often one of those things that we overhype and catastrophize. I always do a poll on daylight savings, like was it better or worse than you expected? And

Samantha (13:06)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Chrissy Lawler (13:25)
It's pretty much always at 85% better than I expected. So just embrace it. Like the body, the circadian rhythm readjusts. For some kids, if you've cleared it with your pediatrician, a very, very low dose of melatonin can help reset the body clock. You can use it for literally just one night to be like, hey, I just want to wanna chemically get you this reset.

Samantha (13:29)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (13:50)
Otherwise, spend good time outside in the evening and in the morning. Lots of massage deep squeezes. Keep them in bed in their room when it's supposed to be sleep time. And usually kids are gonna adjust in again like one to three days. So really like the whole conversation, I want like the mantra to be it's not going to be that bad. Let go and enjoy. It's you're going to be fine.

Samantha (14:03)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So really like the whole conversation.

You're going to be fine. I remember when my daughter, her first daylight savings time, she was almo or you know, she was almost one year old. literally a couple weeks before. And we were away in the Smoky Mountains, my husband and I and and her, and all of a sudden I realized, my goodness, it's gonna be daylight savings. And I'm like, What does this mean? What is gonna happen? I don't know. Everybody just talks about it, it hypes up and like literally she just kind of slept normally and I thought,

Okay. Well this isn't as bad, but the whole time I'm stressing about we're on vacation. It's gonna be daylight savings and literally there was no point in stressing about it because it was fine.

Chrissy Lawler (14:56)
Yes, yep. Yeah. I think if also as moms, if we could just go into situations with our own concept of resilience, that whatever happens, we will adjust, we will adapt. I am strong, I'm smart, I'm strategic, I'm resourceful, I will figure this out. Also, so is my child's. Like none of this is going to break us.

Samantha (15:05)
Mm.

Mm mm.

Yeah. so you know, you're the queen of baby sleep and so many people talk about baby sleep schedules, but what about parental sleep schedules in a season where moms are staying up till midnight wrapping presents or baking? How can moms or dads protect their own nervous system when sleep quality inevitably drops?

Chrissy Lawler (15:38)
Yes. Yeah. And honestly, the other biggest culprit I would add to that is alcohol. We tend to drink more when we're with our families and around the holidays, and alcohol is such a sleep disruptor. So just recognize and acknowledge my I will be happier and I will be capable of more joy if I prioritize my sleep. So

Samantha (15:44)
Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (16:03)
Maybe we don't have the perfectly wrapped presents. Maybe we get a whole bunch of gift bags this year. I have one of my older brothers would famously wrap everything in toilet paper. And like I actually think that it's like hilarious. So like have we been in a bind and I go to the bathroom and just like wrap it, wrap, and wrap, and wrap, and it's like, you got a matte present. Like

Samantha (16:03)
Yeah.

my gosh. I love that. Yeah.

Kids will probably love opening that.

Chrissy Lawler (16:30)
They actually do. So, like some of the things really asking yourself, there is an actual trade-off. I can spend an hour beautifully wrapping this perfect gift under the tree, or I can do a 45 second wrap job that they're just gonna rip open anyway and actually get sleep. Like, what am I choosing and what is it costing me? Because I probably

Samantha (16:39)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So true.

Chrissy Lawler (16:57)
Promise you, if you are choosing to sacrifice your sleep, you are also choosing to sacrifice joy.

Samantha (17:04)
Yeah, it's so true. I'm like that's I'm like a bag girl. I'm like, let me just throw it in a bag. I have a ton of bags. I'm like, well, you're gonna it's gonna be the same thing. Open the tissue paper.

Chrissy Lawler (17:12)
Yes. Yes, exactly. So just like invest ahead of time. Get the boxes, get the tissue paper. Like it doesn't have to be doesn't have to be something trustworthy.

Samantha (17:16)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. So picture this. You're at a holiday dinner, your baby is overtired, screaming in the other room, and a relative offers unsolicited advice on how you should be handling this situation. What is the quickest way to pivot the conversation without starting a family feud?

Chrissy Lawler (17:41)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think I would actually go back to what I said before of like, I so wish that worked for me. Like, you know what? I love that advice. Thank you so much for your offer to help. We've actually tried that and you know, whew, she's a tricky one. Tell me about your vacation after like redirects the conversation. People

Samantha (17:48)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Chrissy Lawler (18:03)
One of my favorite principles is from How to Win Friends and Influence People, that people love to talk about themselves. So quick redirect. Thanks, Aunt Sharon. I we've tried that. I wish that it worked for us. Tell me about what you guys are doing for your vacation after Christmas. Where are you going? You're going skiing? So fun. And then blub, blah, blah. Now Aunt Sharon's talking about herself. We can just sidestep.

Samantha (18:08)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yes, I that's such good advice. so do you think that there is a flexible routine during the holiday season, or is that kind of an oxymoron? Like how do we balance being present, enjoying the moment, making the magic, while keeping a foundational rhythm?

Chrissy Lawler (18:43)
Yeah, I think balance is the key word from what you said. It is about balance. It's about give and take. So I, you know, with sleep, with like ideal sleep times and environments and schedule and whatever, I always think about grading, realizing that even an A is a 90%. Like there is going to be some margin of error. We are not expecting robots.

Samantha (18:47)
Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (19:07)
I think when we're on vacation, if we can aim for like 80%, we're actually doing great. It's also okay if your sleep routine goes out the window. If you have a baby or a toddler in bed with you, because that's the way that we can sleep until 7 a.m., you can just bounce back when you get home. So don't throw your whole entire sleep rhythm out the window. But

Samantha (19:15)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Chrissy Lawler (19:34)
Some deviations are fine. Try and aim for plus or minus an hour around bedtime and just one nap a day that's in their protected space and you can kind of play with the rest.

Samantha (19:43)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's kinda like nutrition. They say eighty twenty, like do eighty percent healthy, twenty percent you can kinda go off the rail. So that makes sense for sleeping. ⁓ so what do you think the single biggest mistake parents make when they're trying to adjust their child's schedule for an evening holiday event?

Chrissy Lawler (19:49)
Yes.

Yes.

Honestly, I think the biggest mistake is overly stressing about it and then ruining your own joy. I think babies under 12 months do have a much harder time pushing their sleep schedule. So I would say a baby under 12 months probably keep that deviation to like no more than 30, 45 minutes.

Samantha (20:07)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (20:26)
And know that it's not gonna be this way forever. You're not always going to be quote unquote trapped with the baby. Once you have a baby that's older than 12 months, that's where you can work more into like an hour of wiggle room. And so just this is very temporary and you can find that blend of like having fun, but also leaving the Christmas party at 7 p.m. And sorry, we'll be able to stay longer next year.

Samantha (20:41)
Yeah.

Yeah, it's so hard when you're in it to r to know, especially when you're a first time parent, that there's like a light somewhere at the end of the tunnel of sleep. Like you just think that every holiday is gonna be like this forever and I think that's such a good reminder that it's not.

Chrissy Lawler (21:11)
Yeah, yeah, truly. It's so it does go by so fast.

Samantha (21:15)
It does. So for moms who are listening right now, they're feeling overwhelmed by their holiday to do list, if you could give them permission to drop one expectation this holiday season, what would it be?

Chrissy Lawler (21:27)
I think maybe two. You don't have to go to every party and you don't have to bring the best thing to every party. Like stop by Trader Joe's on your way, grab a bag of treats and show up. Like holidays are more about

Samantha (21:41)
Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (21:43)
Togetherness and relationships than all of the fluff. So just show up. Show up, messy. Show up with your hair and a ponytail and your kids with stained clothes. Like people just want you there. If we can let go of perfection, we will have more joy.

Samantha (21:49)
Mm.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's so hard when you want especially seeing everyone's curated Instagram photos and their family pictures of like, they had the perfect, you know, everything. And it's with social media, I feel like it is so hard to be like, they probably got a full night's sleep. You know, you just make up a story around someone's captured photo that you don't know what's going on behind it or around it.

Chrissy Lawler (22:25)
Yes, yep. And I think so often when the quest is for this outward-looking perfection, I will tell you, as somebody that's been a therapist for 17 years and hears the behind the scenes, there's often a lot of maternal meltdowns and screaming that goes into those picture perfect moments. And so

Samantha (22:39)
Mm.

Yeah.

Chrissy Lawler (22:49)
I embrace that like it does not look perfect on the outside, and there is ease and joy, and that's what I care about. If being this Pinterest mom, and I'm not saying that the Pinterest moms are the screaming moms, like because I think there are some women where that is just like their absolute skill set and that is their joy. For me, I cannot be both Pinterest mom and calm fun mom. And if I'm going to choose.

Samantha (22:58)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Chrissy Lawler (23:17)
I'm going to choose Calm Fun Mom and it's gonna be fine.

Samantha (23:21)
Yeah. I know it's so funny when I'll like talk to I'll see someone at you know, they posted some vacation or whatever, and I I talk to them after. I'm like, well, how was it? And they'll give me this whole story that did not match what was posted on the internet. And I'm like, okay, this makes me feel more normal because I was thinking, What the heck? How do you like do this? Yeah.

Chrissy Lawler (23:45)
Yes, huh.

Samantha (23:48)
So if the holiday season had an official sleep mantra for parents, what would be written on the letterboard in your kitchen?

Chrissy Lawler (23:55)
Sleep is joy, or sleep brings joy. I think if we can get the rest that we need where we can get it, then we will fill up our tanks a little bit more to be able to navigate some of the shorter nights. But the more well-rested we can be, the happier the holidays will be.

Samantha (23:57)
Like brings joy. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yes. And what's your ultimate sanity saver tool or product when traveling with kids during the winter months?

Chrissy Lawler (24:26)
gosh, portable white noise. I love the sleep out shade where you can just like suction cup that baby anywhere ⁓ and travel for the holidays. I would also say hand sanitizer, especially if you have a little one and they're crawling around an airplane floor. Like, pack the good hand sanitizer.

Samantha (24:27)
Yes. I love this shade where you could just like section cup that maybe

Yes. ⁓

Yeah. Yeah. We loved the slumber pod when the kids were little because that was just like you could just I felt like we if we were traveling, we could also still be like able to maybe have a glass of wine in the room or whatever when the k the baby was sleeping because they couldn't see anything. That was like my number I loved that. ⁓ when the kids were younger. ⁓ s

Chrissy Lawler (25:05)
Yes, yep. Yep, a hundred percent.

Samantha (25:10)
So complete the sentence. Arrested mom during the holiday season is a mom who

Chrissy Lawler (25:15)
has joy and or feels like the holiday magic.

Samantha (25:20)
Yeah. Yes. I love that. ⁓ all right. Well, this whole conversation made me less stressed for the holidays. And I hope everyone listening, you know, it did the same. But as we wrap up, if a mom is listening and forgets every piece of advice that we shared on this episode but remembers just one mindset shift when things inevitably go off the rails this season, what do you hope that is?

Chrissy Lawler (25:22)
Your

Honestly, I'm gonna borrow from the teenagers and say it is not that deep. It's not that serious. Everybody is going to be okay. There are so many things that actually matter for our children that are like that you're already doing. It's love and warmth and responsiveness and good enough parenting spans.

Samantha (25:48)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (26:07)
Literally like 18 years. And so these little granular moments and these all of the things, your kids don't remember most of it. So have your special moments, take lots of pictures. It's actually the pictures that we have that trigger the memories that we keep. And so just have a couple handful of really magical moments sprinkled in and realize that that's what they're gonna remember. It doesn't

Samantha (26:10)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Chrissy Lawler (26:35)
You don't have to go to twenty seven holiday parties.

Samantha (26:38)
Yeah, so true. All right. Well, I can't thank you enough for coming back on The Running Wine Mom. That was a perfect place to end it. ⁓ I feel like y yeah, you give you on both episode g both episodes, you've given us collective permission to take that deep breath, drop the impossible expectations, and you know, just be human, which I think so many moms really need to hear. So thank you for that.

Chrissy Lawler (26:46)
Yes, thank you.

Yes. Thank you so much for having me.

Samantha (27:05)
Yeah, and you know, just as a pr you know, protecting our sleep, our sanity during the holiday madness really is the best gift we can give ourselves and our kids, as you kind of said. So everyone listening, just take that with you this holiday season, you know?

Chrissy Lawler (27:18)
Yes, amen.

Samantha (27:20)
as always, thank you for spending time with us today on the Running Wine Mom. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with a mom who needs to hear it. You can follow me on Instagram at the Running Wine Mom underscore and Chrissy, where can the listeners find you?

Chrissy Lawler (27:32)
Yeah, you can find me on any social media, the dot peaceful dot sleeper, or my website, the peaceful sleeper dot com.

Samantha (27:40)
Perfect. And I will link all that. So thank you so much for joining us today. Remember, you were strong, you were capable, and you are all amazing. Until next time, keep running, keep sipping, keep sleeping, and keep embracing the joy of motherhood. Cheers, and I'll be back next Tuesday. All right, perfect.