June 23, 2026

Honest Mum Vicki Broadbent on Motherhood, Imposter Syndrome, Birth Trauma & Building a Global Brand

Honest Mum Vicki Broadbent on Motherhood, Imposter Syndrome, Birth Trauma & Building a Global Brand
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From Filmmaker to Honest Mum: How Vicki Broadbent Built a Global Brand While Raising Three KidsWhat happens when an award-winning filmmaker becomes one of the world's first parenting bloggers?In this episode of The Running Wine Mom, Samantha sits down with Vicki Broadbent, creator of Honest Mum, author of The Working Mom (formerly Mumboss in the UK), television personality, and advocate for maternal rights.Vicki shares her journey from directing films and television to becoming one of the UK's original digital creators. Together, they discuss the realities of motherhood, imposter syndrome, birth trauma, work-life balance, content creation, and why women need to stop waiting for permission to pursue their dreams.Vicki also opens up about raising three children with a large age gap, recovering from a serious back injury, navigating confidence after motherhood, and writing her newest children's book, Greek Myths: Folktales and Legends.Whether you're a parent, entrepreneur, creator, or simply someone trying to juggle life's many roles, this conversation is packed with wisdom, honesty, and encouragement. In This Episode

  • How motherhood changed Vicki's career trajectory
  • Why going from zero to one child was the hardest transition
  • Recovering from a severe back injury while parenting three children
  • The truth about imposter syndrome and confidence
  • Why Vicki dislikes the term "mompreneur"
  • Growing Honest Mum into a globally recognized brand
  • Building a career during the early days of blogging
  • The importance of therapy, healing, and self-care
  • Content creation tips directly from Meta's Creator Program
  • Social media growth strategies that actually work
  • Why consistency matters more than perfection
  • The inspiration behind Greek Myths: Folktales and Legends
  • The myth of Persephone and why it resonates with mothers
  • Raising confident children while pursuing ambitious goals
  • Advice for moms who feel overwhelmed and behind
Memorable Quotes"You do have to take risks and it's not going to work out all the time—and that's okay.""If you don't live your life, you can't really create.""The biggest jump in motherhood is going from zero to one child.""Creativity is a muscle that requires exercise."Connect with Vicki BroadbentHonest MumHonest MumInstagramInstagram @honestmumBook: Greek Myths, Folktales & LegendsGreek Myths, Folktales & LegendsConnect with The Running Wine MomWebsiteThe Running Wine MomInstagramInstagram @therunningwinemom_
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When I am Wow, I really need to look after

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this vessel the mind, the book like.

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Welcome back to the Running Wine Mom Podcast. I'm your host.

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Samantha Selinsky, aka the Running Wine Mom. Today's guest, is

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a powerhouse who spent the last fifteen years proving that

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motherhood and ambition aren't just compatible, they're a competitive advantage.

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She went from a career as an award winning filmmaker

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and TV director to becoming one of the UK's original

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digital pioneers as the Honest Mom. She's an author, a

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fierce advocate for maternal rights, and she's just released a

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stunning new book, Greek Myths, folk Tales and Legends, which

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brings a feminist lens to the ancient stories we thought

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we knew. We're diving into the transition from film sets

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to mommy blogging, why she hates the term mompreneur, and

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how she reclaimed her voice after a traumatic birth to

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build a global brand. So, without further ado, let's wellcome

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VICKI to the show.

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Welcome Vicky, Hi, thanks for having me on your fabulous podcast.

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Fair I am so excited to learn all about you.

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But to start each episode, we.

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Have our wine, Wine and one of the week segment.

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This is where we share our favorite battle of wine,

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then about something that's been bothering us, and celebrate our

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recent victories. So grab a glass, take a deep breath,

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and let's get started. So, Vicky, what is your drinking

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wine of the week?

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So of the week, now that it's it's really warmed

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up in the UK, we've actually got a heat wave.

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You know, UK is not really known for heat waves.

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So I've been drinking some lovely, refreshing English sparkling wine.

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So it's made in a very similar way to champagne

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and sparkling wines, but it's some here in the UK,

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and it's very crisp and light, and yeah, I'm really

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enjoying that so often like a glass of rose as well.

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Yeah, it's been perfect.

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I'm going to have to check out the English sparkling

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wine because I don't think I've ever had. I love prosecco,

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I love champagne, so I feel like that would be

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right up my alley, especially as.

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There it's really amazing quality English sparkling wines actually, so yeah,

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definitely try it.

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And what is your complaint wine of the week.

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I would say that my daughter is at nursery and

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they constantly pick up every single bug going, which I

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was good for their immune system. But I would like,

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I feel I've tested so much with one bug after another.

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I would just like to.

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Go to preschool and not come give us all some

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new bug, please, because I've actually had a sports injury

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and tea slip disk.

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So if the last six.

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Weeks I've been I mean for four weeks I couldn't move,

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I was on crutches literally, the last couple of weeks

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I've felt myself again and my painsible, So yeah, it's

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I definitely don't want any vomiting bugs or anything please.

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winter season and that it will get a little bit better.

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So I have I have a three and a five

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year old, so I understand you.

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Forget the systems strong.

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Sometimes it feels relentless and at the moment everybody's dealing

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with it, and you get a new preschool kids have

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got this and you just, oh, my gosh, it's stressful.

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And what's your win of the week.

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Well, I suppose walking without crutches has been really good

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the last couple of weeks, But if we look specifically

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at this week. I've upped my walking and I did

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like eighteen thousand steps yesterday, which I was really Oh,

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my physio is not going to be happy with me

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because I don't do too many.

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Just rest today, So today's my rest day. But I

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feel like getting back to normality is a big win.

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I think when something like that happens and it comes

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out of the blue, you just realize, oh my gosh,

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so many people are dependent on me, right. The fact

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that you can't parent how you want to, the fact

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that you're in constant pain, like it really reminded me

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of how precious my health is. And yeah, so I

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definitely feel like it's been a win to feel normal,

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like I've definitely been amazing.

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I'm so grateful.

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I'm so I know.

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I can't imagine as a mom being in such you know,

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like you were just saying, in that that phase where

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you can't do anything and you are the most probably

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helpful person for them.

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It's just like you.

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Do you say much as a default parent as Yeah,

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everybody stepped up massively. I've got two old wels, I've

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got sixteen and thirteen and my sixteen year old was

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cooking and oh my gosh, everything rebody really stepped up,

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and in a way, I think they realized how much

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I do because I think so and.

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for whatever reason, it shines a light on, like, wow,

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you do so even like I'm like a what you

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call a soccer mum American Canada, and it's like I'm

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constantly getting my son to football and you know, daughter here,

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and it's just honestly all that had to stop or

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someone else, and it's just reminded everybody of like, wow,

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mum is busy.

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because yeah, yeah, I'm sure they missed you.

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I missed, you know, for four weeks. So I had

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to sit on a sofa in a very way so

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as to try and alleviate pain or that it was

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constant pain, and you know, you're on pain relief and

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it's just tough. It's really really hard because you want

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to be doing all the stuff and you can't. And

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I really feel sorry for people that have, you know,

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chronic issues and disability. It's it is really really hard,

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and I don't think society's that set up for people

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that can't do stuff either, and you only really experience

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you yourself a living with right so now, but it's

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been being really grateful and also renewed excitement for like ahead.

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Yes, well that's going to be a good transition into

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our next part, which is fitness. What is your favorite

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way to stay active outside of the list.

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Really love Yeah, I mean I've always loved yoga. It

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was something that I did a lot of when my

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boys were younger, and I was really really consistent. And

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then I think you go from two to three kids

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and it's you've got two, right, but three is like three?

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I think I was someone else said it and I

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took it from I'm like, that is it's tough so

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finding time. So I'm trying to do a bit more

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yoga at home. By the neurosurgeon that was look, that's

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been I've been under his care. He said to me,

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you know, pilatees, yoga, swimming and walking should be the

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price would So I'm really trying to do a lot

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more of that, and I think for me walking is

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quite easy.

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Like we live in Yorkshire.

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In the countryside, it's very very I walked to my

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daughter's school yesterday, walked back when the weather's good. It's like,

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and I've got this app on my phone so i

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can see my steps and I'm just yeah, I just

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I'm that person that needs goals, even comes to like

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step cout so I can kind of give myself a

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little tick. I've done ten thousands, I've done this, but really,

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you know, I think for most women.

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We deprioritize ourselves fast on the list. And I think

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dads do this as well.

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We're so busy as parents, we are spread as thinly

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as butter.

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Right. One of the big lessons.

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In dealing with a cute pain dealing with injury recently

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was when I am, well, I really need to look

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after this vessel, the mind, the body, like because you

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cannot be strong for anybody. And first and foremost, I

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think we need to really really be serious about that,

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not just yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do this, and like,

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so I'm trying to be very intentional, mindful about everything,

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and that's also including what I'm eating, what I'm putting

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in my skin, what i'm you know, all those things.

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I just want to really look after myself and not

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just be last in the priority list, both pollogen having vitamins,

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like eating a healthy Mediterranean diet, but also allowing myself

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treats as well, but just just being mindful about everything.

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And you know what, I've talked about this a lot,

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but I'm only really fully just whatever.

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lot more strict about what I'm doing.

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for I always say when we put ourselves first, everybody

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else is happy because we're happy.

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Exactly. It's like that happy life, happy life.

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I stay to my husband, you know, and everyone's happy

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because we are tend to be the foundation. And that's

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not to say dads have to pitch in equally and

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things like that. So I'm not and I'm not diminishing

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anybody's wrong. But I think that I've always been an

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incredibly maternal person, and I am very active, and I

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am a little bit of a control freak as well.

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So I like to be across everything.

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that intellectual stimulation and writing books and things, because I

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think for me that's another element of being happy having

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the step right. And I think for a lot of

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us that are working digitally, we're creating videos, reels, tiktoks

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that are what you would called editorials, so they're like

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things that.

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We love and that are fun.

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And then you know, we're also working on campaigns again

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with brands that we love and that we want to

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advocate for. But that's like the more paid activities, so

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we're juggling. We're essentially online magazines, you know, I think that. Yeah,

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I've just it's just been nice to be more mobile

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and doing more fun things and you know, filming, I

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mean normality.

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Yeah, now I totally understand.

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And you speaking of your digital footprint, you are the

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honest mom. So we have to talk a little bit

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about parenthood. What do you think you were least prepared

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for in parenthood?

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Oh gosh, I think going from nought to one baby

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is the biggest jump.

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In the world. Yes, stepping off weapon.

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You know, you shoot up and it takes about a

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year to come up. It's it's tricky. I remember feeling

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incredibly shelgnocked. Did you feel that way.

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Oh, Mike, I was like everyone everyone said, oh, one

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baby is so easy, and I was like, what is this?

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Like one to two was fine for me, but zero

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to one I was like, I cannot believe that people

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are reproducing because.

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Go from like a sort of life where you can

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have spontaneity, you can uh, you've got kind of some routines, ritual,

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and then suddenly this little baby surprised all the time,

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who at time to eat your breast or a bottle

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constantly that you are having to look after careful. It's

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so it's actually the biggest jump. I think it's harder

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than two to three. I think it's harder. You know.

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The one thing is once you've got a baby, life

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feels pretty chaotic, so you're just adding the chaos. But

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going from stability to like suddenly the baby is in

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control of everybody schedule, and also you're learning as you go.

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first baby. I was pregnant at twenty seven and had

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them just as I turned twenty eight, and I was

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actually the first out of everyone I knew to have

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a baby, So that quite lonely because all your friends

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are working and whatever. And I remember the group of

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mums with the we have something called MCT here. They

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were all a lot older than me in that group,

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and it wasn't that we didn't get on because but

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they were in a different chapter of their lives in

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of everything, whether that was career, stability, tea like what

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they were doing. It was really really different. So I

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did make some friends, but I did feel very isolated

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and I was far from my mother. And genuinely, I know,

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like twenty eight doesn't sound that old, but I felt

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really young.

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I feel like it's young for babies. For me, I

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didn't have my kids till thirty fours.

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I have this six foot two, sixteen year old he

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looked like twenty one.

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And we were in London the other week.

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Because I was, you know, attending and press briefing with

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the government, and we made a bit of a weekend

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of it. And although my son couldn't come to the

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event with the Prime Minister, he went off to a

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cafe and we're walking around and I'm bike.

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I saw some people looking at us a bit.

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Confused, which hopefully it's made me look youthful.

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I don't know, probably not a lot of concealers hide

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the bank looking at us, like, is that if mom,

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you look like his mom?

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So I'm not deluded, but it was just I noticed

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a few people sort of looking and I thought, my,

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oh my gosh, I have this this boy.

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He used to be my little baby man. Yeah, still

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too young to have the man. You know that it's

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a baby.

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He needs to be like maybe my middle one's thirteen, Yeah,

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that's fine, but like sixteen looking a lot older, it's scary.

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And then four year old, so I've got different I'm

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going through. Each child is going through whatever puberty and

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exact then child hunterums, it's it isn't it's not for

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the week?

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Right?

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And you had Florence is your daughter's name, right, is it?

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And you had her after forty with two teenagers already

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in the house.

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They be we're eleven, and we're eleven and nine. Okay yeah,

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and they're teenagers now and she's four.

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So I had Florence when five days before turning forty one,

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so yeah, okay, so it's forty. I had a really

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great pregnancy, probably the easiest, easier than when I was

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twenty seven. Adam had hyperremesis with my first, whereas vomiting

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all the time it was terrible, whereas with my maybe

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I didn't have that.

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With her, I didn't have that.

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So I did get poorly at the end of the pregnancy,

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nothing to do with age or anything, but and I

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ended up having quite a traumatic birth with her. So

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my first baby at just twenty eight was a traumatic

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birth and my third. And it's really interesting because even

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though I'd shared a lot about birth trauma and advocated,

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when I was in the thick of it with my

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third baby, it was really hard still to reach out

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for help because I was trying to survive and with

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three now and it was like everything was harder.

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And it was one of the reasons we decided to

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move back to Yorkshire from the South to like.

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Live dad, because I definitely felt with three kids, if

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I have a village around me, I need it.

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It'sportant more than ever.

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So yeah, I think, wow, there's a lot of things

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that are great about having big auge gaps.

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So the fact that like.

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So it was a you know, eleven and nine year

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age gap, I think that was twelve.

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I think that was so nice because the boys.

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Matured a lot and were kind of experiencing what it's

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like to nurture a baby.

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They're still kids.

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I didn't give them like parental responsibility style things, but

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the fact that they learned so much about looking after

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this cute little bundle and they loved it.

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And they're all really really close. They irritate herther now

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because the four year old is you know, she's like

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a ten year old. Yeah, you know, they.

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Wind each other up. But it's also it's lovely to

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see their bond.

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But it was a shit was hard. Wow.

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We yeah, we My age gap is actually exactly the

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same as your kids are. So I'm eleven years older

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than my brother. My sister is nine years older than

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my brother. Oh and my mom was almost forty when

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she had Robbie thing.

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And how was it? It was awesome. We loved it.

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We loved having him as our little like he was

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like our baby doll basically.

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And yeah, we're still we're super close.

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We're in his wedding in June, you know, our husbands

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are in his wedding.

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We're all we see each other all the time.

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And it's so funny because, yeah, like watching him grow up,

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I'm like, I remember everything from zero till now, and

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I'm like, how are you getting married that.

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One of the influenced as a parent because it's so

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coloracter building and as a child and having this little

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like you say this like baby doll that you look after.

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And my boys were desperate for a sister. They were

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it because I would see it as a surprise and

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they were like no, no, no, and it's I really

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you know, and the joy they were elated they would

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because they had each other as brothers and they just

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really wanted to And it's so sweet when I see

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the boys playing with them, because you know, what's the thing.

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I don't know if you found this as well.

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The blessing of an age gap is that the boys,

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it almost elongates their own childhood right get doing their playing,

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they're in the playground, they're in spaces that are for

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younger kids because they've got the sister or they've got

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the brothers sibling, and it actually extends their childhood in

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such a precious way. That people worry a lot about

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age gaps, and I always say, like, don't worry about that.

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It's honest, such a lovely thing for everyone involved. But yeah,

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three kids is very very intense. Everybody's there's always one

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kid ill crisis, school thing. So I definitely think you

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have to be very very tough in terms of like

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strong as a person, not tough on your kids, because

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I'm like the softest person ever.

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But but yeah, I think that.

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If you do, if you do end up having you know,

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for anyone that does end up having three kids, if

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they are able to be around close friends, family, and

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I think that's such an important thing of survival really,

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of because that if you look historically, if you look

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at our ancestors, like that kind of setup was always

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the way. And there's even some studies that say that

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women become menopausal because they wanted that the sort of martriarch,

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the grandmother to help raise grandchildren. So it's some research

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to see it as like an evolutionary thing as well,

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which I thoughh thing, that's really cool.

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All right, So let's get into you.

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Your bio says you're a filmmaker and author and of

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course the honest man. But if I bumped into you

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at a grocery store and had zero time for the

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elevator pitch, how do you describe yourself to a stranger?

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I think I would just say, like, I'm creative.

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Really, you know that I'm a writer, and that I

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would always say, you know that I'm a mum because

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that's the biggest, most important role to me, that dominates

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my life. When you're a mum, that's that's the thing

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that's to me is the most important and also at

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the most time. So yeah, I would definitely be like,

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I mean, usually i'd say I'm a writer. I mean,

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I do quite a lot of TV work in the UK,

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and that gives you like a sense of visibility that

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so often I find if anyone stops me, they've either

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seen me on TV or they've.

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Seen me on social media. I think the really funny

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thing was when Florence.

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I mean I still have quite a lot of viral content,

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but when Florence was little, she was constantly going viral

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on Instagram and we had we always had like lovely

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mums stoppers and be like, oh I saw that video

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and it's really But I think what's interesting with social

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media is like you can have this international reach, so

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someone in the grocery store might not have ever heard

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of you, but you know, something's gone viral and loads

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of Americans have seen your video, you know, So I

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kind of feel like, would never consider myself famous per se.

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I would just say that people have a certain visibility

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online and that's quite powerful. And I think in the

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last year that I've moved into well last few years

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really quite a few years, moved into like more political

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spaces and trying to help shape policy for the better

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or advocate for mums and campaign. I think that's been

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really important to me, using a platform for good and

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try and mobilize, you know, parents to help them with

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flexible working too.

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There's a lot of that work that's been really interesting

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for me as well. I'd love.

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I love that, and it's such an interesting space being

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in the like content creation world. And I feel like

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when people ask what do you do, I always kind

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of stumble.

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So I like to hear what other people say.

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And then the other thing, you know, in your book Mumbas,

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you talked about battling pastor syndrome, which I absolutely have.

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And even now, like with all your awards, your TV appearances,

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does do you the impostor still?

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And I mean my book is called The Working Mom

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in American Okay, not called Mumbos.

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It's only called Mumbos in the UK.

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But just to distinguish that, but I would say that

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I'm constantly feeling that way. And I would say that

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with every child, I've lost a huge amount of confidence.

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And I would say that even now, there is that

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thing of you know, going to light number ten, which

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is the equivalent of like going to the White House

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or something.

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I mean, it really is like I'm right, Oh my gosh,

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you know, should I be here? Kind of like.

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But also I think what was interesting I was one

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of very few women working as a director when I

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worked in TV and film, and we were told at

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film school when I did my master's, you know, you

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really have to walk into that on set. You're lucky

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enough to get there. I mean, I worked in the

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film industry for many years. I worked for the BBC.

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I started working in TV and film all through like school, everything,

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I was working in local news.

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It was like what I really wanted to do.

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And I remember them saying, you know, you really do

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have to like fake it to make it. And that

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was the nineteen eighteen that you do have to go

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on set and this is a male dominated field and

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you are worthy and if you don't feel it, you

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have to ground your feet to the floor and just

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convince your brain. And obviously I didn't really know a

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lot about neuroplasticity then, about the fact that that you

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practice things and do things that you start believing it.

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And I've had a lot of therapy as well, which

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I think is such a gift, and I think it's

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a really important thing to do if you can assess

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it even before kids, to heal a lot of that

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inner child stuff to work, because it's going to show up,

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because that's what happens in life.

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Not just with kids, generally, with stress, with whatever.

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So I feel like I'd kind of won quite a

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lot of battles as a TV director, and then I

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was told, you know, you do need to have a

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bit for you're thirty if you want to have kids.

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So I was like, oh my gosh, just because of

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I had a condition called PCOS, which they say that

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even before Florence said nothing's visible with that condition, not

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in blood tests, not in scans. So that's really interesting.

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There's not enough research done about women's health really.

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So actually I.

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Felt like I'd won a few battles, I had won

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awards as a director, but then you pivot into another career. Yeah,

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mine was completely accidental, Like fifteen years ago, no one

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even knew what a blog was in the UK when

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I set up, So I think I've had to fight

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to be taken seriously quite a lot. But obviously around

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as a filmmaker and having won awards and my films

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were in OSCAR qualifying festivals. I'd worked for a really

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famous TV producer, I'd worked for the BBC, I'd had

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that behind me, and quite young, I was like, why

470
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is no one taking me seriously now? Because they don't

471
00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:09.119
understand this space. So in a way, advocate for other

472
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:13.200
creative mums helped me really push what it meant.

473
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:13.920
You know.

474
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.799
The campaigns I did were really pioneering. I was the

475
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:20.279
first digital creator to work with an airline, right. It

476
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:22.960
was like, there should be no stopping us, and now

477
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:27.440
there's like milk, which is amazing. I was definitely in

478
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:32.200
the way of people that were the og kind of creators. Also,

479
00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:34.720
I was one of the very first to come up

480
00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:39.319
with these really pioneering ideas of like let me be

481
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.880
an ambassador, put me on the plane, let's do this,

482
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.279
let's see you know. I was because I'd had that

483
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:47.559
directing background and I shot com up and I made

484
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.160
TV drama and I was like, there's.

485
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:51.480
No limit to what we can do. We just put

486
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:52.119
it online.

487
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.960
So yeah, and I suppose now I'm just looking for

488
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:58.279
more things to stimulate me and excite me.

489
00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:02.599
Sochildren's book was one of them. I'm now looking ahead

490
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:03.440
to other things.

491
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.359
I think that I think that the US do it

492
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.200
really well because there were American bloggers when I started out,

493
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:14.440
and they were massively bestful, right, so I was like, well,

494
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.960
we can do that. Yeah, surely we've got a great

495
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.960
history of the art of storytelling supply that. And it's

496
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.119
actually looking back on it, it's really weird that it

497
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:28.119
literally it wasn't of any It was purely timing. If

498
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:33.440
you are at the advent of anything, you have this

499
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.000
usp you have this advantage. Yes, that skill set that

500
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.319
was transferable, so of course storytelling came a lot easier

501
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.240
to me. But it meant that like doors could be

502
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:50.000
opened in really ways, and it matched a time when

503
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:54.000
advertisers were moving online like it was the ADVCT So

504
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.440
I'm very much it's due to timing as well.

505
00:25:57.680 --> 00:25:59.920
Yes, you know, I can't take all the cs.

506
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.440
It like it just happened that I was on that

507
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.480
leave when the advent of digital was happening.

508
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:09.799
So cool, and you've been called mampreneur and that's a

509
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.240
term that you have found famously patronized.

510
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:17.640
I'm mumboss because it's like it felt like quite empowering

511
00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:22.200
you're a boss, but especially if you were your business

512
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:23.880
was related.

513
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:24.160
To being a mum.

514
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.839
But I just I don't know why I don't. I

515
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.880
don't hate it. I just find it just gives me

516
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:30.640
a little bit of the eck purely.

517
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.000
Yeah, yeah, it.

518
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.920
Didn't feel like I don't know because maybe it's a

519
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.400
hypocrite to say that because I like mumboss.

520
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.480
I find that empowering.

521
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:42.759
I think because mumbos came off the back of Girl

522
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:47.920
Boss and it like Guy's term, particularly at the time.

523
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:52.759
But I just feel like mompreneur is like just distorting

524
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.880
entrepreneur and really mumbosses are entrepreneurs. But you know, maybe

525
00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:58.079
it's hypocritical of me.

526
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.279
No, I don't think so, because I think like mom

527
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.720
boss is like a like a power term for someone,

528
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.480
Like it's like a an I guess, like a description

529
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:10.680
of someone a mom prenour kind of. I feel like

530
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.440
if you like not dumbs down what you're doing, but

531
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.279
there's no dad preneurs, you know, like if where you

532
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:19.480
feel like it it's different.

533
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.160
But I mean, look, I think some people are really

534
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.039
triggered by these terms. They find them kind of like

535
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:32.200
you say, just reductive. Yeah, if something is part of

536
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.279
I don't feel like mompreneur became part of the zeitgeist really, right.

537
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.920
I think one was calling themselves that, And I think

538
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.319
a lot of language is about a load of mums

539
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.000
were calling themselves mumbosses and they love that term, and

540
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.680
they found it like empowering, right.

541
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.039
So I think it's not because language is not just an.

542
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.279
Avoid So I think it's I feel like mompreneur was

543
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:59.720
other people, like men mostly calling mums that, And it's

544
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.640
also about saying it and where does that land and

545
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.799
what does that feel like?

546
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:06.440
I think that's what language is.

547
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.960
Really with mumboss I saw women appropriate that term. I

548
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.759
didn't invent it, so I took it from other you know.

549
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.160
I was like, well, that's really what this is about.

550
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.079
And my kids made me a boss, they made me

551
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.279
a MUMMLI, but I feel like has been something that

552
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:23.039
has been.

553
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:23.960
Given to us.

554
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.039
Mostly, you've got to make language work for you, as

555
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:28.759
long as it's not offensive, as long as it's not

556
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:33.400
hard if you find mum for enough like exciting for

557
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.440
you and validating and empowering. Great if you don't pay

558
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:40.599
too like no one's pushing you to use things. I

559
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:46.960
definitely find something really exciting and made me feel really

560
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:50.599
like confident and at a time when a lot of confidence.

561
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.000
But back to the confident thing, I think it's very,

562
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.240
very hard when you are giving everything of yourself to

563
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.480
your kids in the first few years to feel confident

564
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.440
because it's like it's like learning a language.

565
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.640
You have to practice to feel feak.

566
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.279
And I did so much due lingo in French, and

567
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:09.960
then I would meet up with French friends and I

568
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.640
would still stop, and I realized it's because I'm not

569
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.759
really practicing that language. If I'd lived in France and

570
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:17.160
I was doing that, I would feel so.

571
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:18.839
Much more confident. And it's the same.

572
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.400
You were out of practice, you are out of the workplace,

573
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.759
you were out of giving presentations, or you're out anything

574
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:29.440
that you're not doing repetitively, you're not going to feel

575
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.599
good at so you're being you know, And I think

576
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.720
as when we doubt ourselves a lot because we are

577
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.559
working in a patriarchy, so we don't have lots of

578
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.119
things going for us in terms of infest so I

579
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:46.240
think that also makes it hard. So I remember actually

580
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.839
before video became a really big thing. I mean YouTube

581
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.839
was big, but Grandma hadn't launched reels things like that.

582
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:55.960
Everything's video that, right. I remember my husband saying, to

583
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.000
get confident, why don't you get this canon camera, put

584
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.920
it on a little tripod and just film yourself every day.

585
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.799
You don't even have to share what you film, just

586
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:09.559
so you get into the practice of doing that all

587
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.960
the time. And they ended up sharing quite a lot

588
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.640
of the content, not everything, but a lot, and that

589
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:16.680
put me in really good stead. And that's someone that

590
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.200
used to be a director, but I wasn't. I was

591
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.559
behind the camera. So my advice is, if you want

592
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.200
to do something even if nobody in the world sees it,

593
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.440
whether that's writing a book or doing some practice first

594
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:37.200
until it becomes naturalized. Right. Creativity particularly is like a

595
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.160
muscle that requires exercise, and it's like if you're writing

596
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.319
a novel, if you're writing a book, it's all in

597
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:47.240
the rewrites anyway. So there's a very good book by

598
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.440
Dorothea Brand, Becoming a Writer by Dorothea Brand, and it

599
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.160
was written in the feace, and other people have taken

600
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.240
her exercises and they've made them their own, or they've

601
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:02.880
changed them or whatever. Her exercise that I still swear

602
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.480
by is that every morning you write this stream of

603
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.960
consciousness and you don't read it back, and you don't

604
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.599
think about it. You just write, okay, And you do

605
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:14.000
that every single day, and you sell up your diaries.

606
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.799
And what that does is it removes the barrier between

607
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.960
you and your laptop, you and your note I'd obviously

608
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.319
in the thirties that were writing right. I didn'tink the

609
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.519
type writer came out, but I'm.

610
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.359
Sure it was a lot less. But that thing has

611
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:32.119
boded so well for me. Oh, I mind it.

612
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.319
Yeah you should, but you mustn't read it back because

613
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:36.519
it doesn't matter what you've written.

614
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.880
There's a part of your brain that is just writing.

615
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.680
And then it honestly, honestly makes it one hundred times

616
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.920
easier to start whatever it is because we're looking at

617
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.759
blank pages, we're procrastinating, when a lot of that is just.

618
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.039
Through lack of practice. Yeah, she taught me a lot.

619
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.720
That book is really should be every writer's first port

620
00:31:58.759 --> 00:31:59.079
of call.

621
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.039
Awesome, And speaking of writing, you just came out with

622
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.519
a new book, Greek Myths, folk Tales and Legends.

623
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:06.920
Can you talk a little bit about that?

624
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.279
So I don't know if it's available in the US.

625
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.039
I don't think it is, but it's it's out in

626
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.160
the UK, and it's done. Really you know, well, I'm

627
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.400
really happy when I sit some well, I mean like

628
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.039
it's it's done. It's been received so well by children,

629
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.720
which is my biggest goal.

630
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.279
Like obviously it's lovely.

631
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.240
When you get nice sales and things, but no one

632
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:27.000
goes into children's books to make.

633
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.160
A book unless you're unless you're the massive children's author.

634
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.480
It's not like an immediately like very lucrative thing.

635
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.440
But that didn't bo all. It was very much about writing.

636
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.920
So I retold Greek myths which I grew up with

637
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:50.880
and are really foundational stories that influence European storytelling massively,

638
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.200
you know ty five hundred and two thousand years ago,

639
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:59.279
and influence Shakespeare and these incredibly powerful stories, love stories

640
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.880
and also really surreal and a bit bizarre, you know,

641
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:09.000
a kind of Troy who was birthed from a swanzag

642
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.519
and we've got all these incredible characters. But it was

643
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.000
a joy and I went back and I did so

644
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.400
much methodical research and tried to go back to the

645
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.400
earliest iterations because they were a word of mouth first,

646
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.759
and then they were written down by Homer and Hesioid,

647
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.759
and then I was like, how do I make these

648
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.240
feel modern and brash, right, kids?

649
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.000
So that's what I did. So it's for eight to twelve, and.

650
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:33.599
I'm really proud of it, and I've been on a

651
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.960
school book tour and just meeting kids that are like

652
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.720
so excited about my work is just such a pleasure.

653
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.039
And I've had some emails from parents and teachers saying

654
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:48.119
that children they know of that were very bookshy are

655
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.640
loving the book and won't put it down. To me,

656
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.000
I'm just like, and what's loly. It's a collection of stories,

657
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:56.839
so you can dip in and out, you can read

658
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.319
one like it doesn't feel overwhelming. So yeah, I really

659
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.680
loved that and I learned a lot because there were

660
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:06.559
myths that I'd never even read or heard.

661
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:07.799
Of that I included in there.

662
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.239
So that was all I would definitely recommend all children

663
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.239
like dive into.

664
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.679
The Did you have a favorite myth that you wrote about?

665
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:17.280
Yeah?

666
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:20.719
So I really So there's a story of Pasephone, which

667
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.079
and the six pomegranate seeds, which I'm sure you've heard of.

668
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.159
There's like a musical Hadestown that is reflects that as well.

669
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.440
And that's a really beautiful story. And why I loved

670
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:31.960
it so much.

671
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.000
It was about a bond between a mother and daughter,

672
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:35.960
so it reminded me and my mum as well, and

673
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.719
obviously my daughter. She's very little and the daughter Persephone,

674
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.400
is stolen by the god of the underworld, and her

675
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.639
mother doesn't know where she's gone, and she spends the

676
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.840
year searching for her, and in that year she makes

677
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.079
everything turn to autumn and winter, and when she's reunited

678
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:54.320
with the daughter, becomes.

679
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.199
Spring in summer, which is very like frozen.

680
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:00.519
I'm sure there were influenced has so many more movies

681
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.280
have been influenced by Greek myths. But what's so lovely

682
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.840
is just that this such a beautiful bond that they have,

683
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.000
and the fact that Deme, goddess at the harvest, will

684
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.039
never stop searching for her daughter.

685
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.199
And it just is very moving.

686
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:18.039
And meanwhile, her daughter's in the underground and she's you know,

687
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.280
forced upon this marriage, and in some versions of the myths,

688
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.559
she falls in love with Hayes and others she doesn't,

689
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:27.519
and it's just a really interesting dynamic between world and

690
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.280
the outer world. And actually this I did loads of research,

691
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.559
and Demeter and Persephone were like feminist heroes to eight

692
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.920
and they were heroes to the Romans, and they had

693
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.400
these massive festivals where people would honor them because remember

694
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.840
in those days, the harvest, the crops were how everybody lived.

695
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.400
So yees are such important goddesses. So it's so fascinating.

696
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.239
So yeah, I just wanted to create stories that had

697
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.159
more equality as well for children, so that both girls

698
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:03.480
and boys would feel empowered by these heroes. And honestly

699
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.920
was probably one of the biggest career highlights of my

700
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:07.519
life to.

701
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.079
Like, I felt like I had such a responsibility to

702
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:11.639
do that.

703
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:17.360
Also, I was like, Okay, so Homer and Hessiard retold

704
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.119
these stories all these years ago, and I'm like, until

705
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.679
probably six months or whatever, the next person that retells

706
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.599
these myths right now, I'm the latest in that line.

707
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:30.920
Yeah, that's so cool.

708
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.679
Old those stories not from a negatistical perspective, but from

709
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.840
a perspective of like being a caretaker of these stories

710
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.519
and keeping the fire burning. So in the Olympics. You know,

711
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:44.559
they passed the fire torch. They passed it to me.

712
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.280
I've written it. There'll be someone else in a year

713
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.280
or two years or whoever who retells them again.

714
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.280
But for now, this is my little baby, right.

715
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.800
Oh my gosh, that's such a fun way to think

716
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.400
about it. I love that really.

717
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:02.480
So, your platform has been just growing and reaching so

718
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.320
many people, and you've had some awesome opportunities to work

719
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.800
directly with Meta, and I always like to, you know, selfishly,

720
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.880
ask some questions about growth as I'm trying to grow,

721
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.239
and so are some of many of my followers, you know,

722
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.840
trying to grow social media, and sometimes it can feel

723
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.039
like you're in the in the America US term the

724
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.360
wild wild West. You don't know what you're doing. So

725
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.480
for anyone listening, can you give some tips?

726
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:28.320
Yeah?

727
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.840
So, I mean I'm on their Facebook and Instagram Creators program,

728
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.079
and you have meetings of Meta, and they also invite

729
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.599
me to these lives with really big creators and you

730
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:41.639
also and also people in the industry like mds of

731
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.000
agencies and people at Meta, which has definitely over the

732
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.079
last I don't know how many years, few years, maybe

733
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.559
three four years, have really helped me in terms of

734
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.559
honing my voice, knowing my audience.

735
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:56.480
Providing value.

736
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.280
There's a term, and I worked at the BBC and

737
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.840
I still do freelance of the BBC work. There's a term,

738
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.639
a Wreathian term, So it's like based on this director

739
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.800
General at BBC where he was like inform educate and

740
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.800
entertain and I think that's something that's stuck with me

741
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:16.960
that I create content that I like consuming myself. So

742
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.960
I'm very fascinated by research. So I like to make

743
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.440
these videos that are like did you know? And it's

744
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.679
very centered on parenting children by also stuff that's quite

745
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.719
unique that I know about, and I'm like, well, if

746
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.079
I didn't know my audience and I obviously include the

747
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.840
sources or if I've been inspired by someone I always credit,

748
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.119
but it's like really important to me because I enjoy that.

749
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.440
But I also enjoy quite funny stuff.

750
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:48.440
So I think that my mix is like informative, educational,

751
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:53.079
but also I like to do fun stuff again personality.

752
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.159
So if you're a food creator, you need to work

753
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.679
out what's the stuff I like to consume, how can

754
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.639
I do it? And almost deconstruct stuff, you know, play

755
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:07.199
around so get your light ring, shoot different angles, make

756
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.039
sure you're not shooting into the light.

757
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.800
Make sure everything's in focus.

758
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.440
Because the thing is all these platforms they want crisp,

759
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:20.280
they want good clear imagery right, and they well lit.

760
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.360
For my audience, It's very time short, so I aim

761
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.199
no more than ten seconds because I know that really,

762
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.000
if you look at the research, people only have a

763
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.280
three second attention span, so you've got to put second.

764
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:39.079
I know that trending music's really important. One thing that

765
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.360
I also really enjoy is TikTok, and I find that,

766
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.679
you know, it's really fun over there, and because I

767
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:48.280
don't have a huge following over there, I feel more relaxed,

768
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.599
so like I can share something that doesn't do great.

769
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.239
I'm not panicking that like right five views and things.

770
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:56.199
But one thing I would say is that, yeah, when

771
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:59.039
it is your job, it does become more high pressure.

772
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.000
So period where you're building and growing, you can try

773
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:05.519
lots of things. You can try things through the trial

774
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.360
reels before you post, which is a good way to

775
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.480
do that. But equally, I think you like anything, you

776
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.719
need to be very specific. So for instance, if you're

777
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.840
sharing a reel, you should have quite a long caption

778
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.480
because what you're doing is you're telling the algorithm exactly

779
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:26.679
what they're doing, so they know how you're real do

780
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:28.599
and most of the people.

781
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.480
They are directing to a non followers.

782
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.719
Right, So I think there's a bit of a thing

783
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:40.360
like short contents, useful entertaining consistency is so key. So

784
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.400
really ideally posting once a day if you can, or

785
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.320
if you can't, make sure it's every two days, and

786
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.199
make sure you're teaching the algorithm that every two days

787
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:54.519
you are going to post, right, Because essentially it's a machine.

788
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.920
It's similar to Google. It's you have to let it

789
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:03.039
learn from you and guess what, become a trusted person

790
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.679
creator to the algorithm to whatever they will repay you

791
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.039
in reach. But you do fit to things, and you

792
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.639
do have to meet the criteria of well shore and

793
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:15.840
then you know.

794
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:16.519
All these things.

795
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.760
I find that text on top of the videos does

796
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.480
really well because people are like reading in a loop

797
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.159
and then they've watched it like t three times. Yes,

798
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.920
but also Facebook is a great place to like upload

799
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.480
and to earn from, so I mix it up.

800
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.559
I do videos on.

801
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.599
Instagram that I instantly cross over to share, but they

802
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.519
also upload onto Facebook. Natively and then that's for money.

803
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.400
And I would say, well that, don't worry about repeating

804
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.599
yourself because if you think that the majority people that

805
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.159
are watching your content, Instagram and Facebook are pushing out

806
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:56.440
speaker that don't originally follow you. So if something did

807
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.960
really well, you can repeat it in two weeks time,

808
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.239
no one's going to it's going to be like, oh, she.

809
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.679
Repeated that, And loads of creatives do that.

810
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:07.800
So I think, do your research, save things that you like,

811
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.480
recreate stuff that say a trend, but always caption.

812
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:13.679
Who's inspired you.

813
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.480
Just really think about the stuff that you want to

814
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.000
do and put out that. The biggiest way to do

815
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.920
that is what do I like watching? What entertains me?

816
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.800
How can I make my version of it and make

817
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:25.400
it UNI.

818
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:27.559
That's awesome.

819
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.960
Well, you have given us so much wonderful information. I

820
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.800
loved chatting with you, and I really appreciate you coming

821
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.360
on the podcast, But I'm going to leave the listeners

822
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.559
with one last question. You are the honest mom. What

823
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.920
is one piece of advice that you would give to

824
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.320
parents who are trying to juggle it all and maybe

825
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.599
feel like everyone else is more curated than them, or

826
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:51.480
have it all together.

827
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.320
Well, I think we're all dealing with chaos.

828
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.760
And I think even if people are showing aside to

829
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.119
them cells, we're all human. We're all dealing with things.

830
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.920
And I would just go easy on myself and trying

831
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.639
not to compare your life. I know it's hard because

832
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.079
everything is sort of in front of you, even if

833
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.719
you're not seeking it out. But I mean, my mum

834
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:16.280
always said to me, you know, there's always going to

835
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.639
be people that are more attractive than You're, smarter than you,

836
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.199
richer than you. You know, there's always going to be

837
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.000
that you've really got with.

838
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.119
Being content with who you are right now and what

839
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:26.719
you're doing.

840
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.760
And I would say things that distract you from some

841
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.599
of that noise in a way and getting because really

842
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:34.760
what it is is just you being hard on yourself

843
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.559
and feeling enough that sort of all comes back to you.

844
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.360
So I think moving your body, eating well, nourishing yourself,

845
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:44.559
doing mindfulness, those things although they're like yeah, yeah, we

846
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.800
know it, but if you actively start doing that and

847
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:52.159
you start working on you that sort of that healing,

848
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.320
that sort of thing, it makes you stop doing those

849
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.639
negative spirally things. And I think it's so easy with

850
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:00.320
social media if you're in a bad mood, you can

851
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.880
just look for things to like, Yes, well stop doing that,

852
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:11.679
go play some nice music. Paint draw right, Jeff, go

853
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.960
watch there's amazing stuff on Netflix and on TV like

854
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:18.079
go and just I don't know, like feel stimulated.

855
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.480
But I also think one thing that's always.

856
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.079
Stuck with me is that if you don't live your life,

857
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:28.360
you can't really do creative stuff. Yeah, constantly, just just

858
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.320
constantly making reels or doing stuff about nothing. You do

859
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:36.440
have to like live and like make That should be

860
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.679
the most important thing really, So I hope that's useful.

861
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.159
Yes, it is. I think that is.

862
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:45.679
Jeff loved it. It's been great.

863
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.639
Yes, this was so fun, and I think that is

864
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.400
certainly the perfect place to end it. So it's going

865
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:54.039
to bring us to the end of another episode of

866
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.800
The Running Way Mom again. I think that one of

867
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:59.920
my biggest takeaways, as you said, with the impaster syndrome

868
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.159
and going for it, just stop waiting for permission to

869
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.719
be the hero of our own stories, whether you're navigating

870
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.800
a career pivot or just trying to survive the school run.

871
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:11.880
So thank you for reminding us all of that.

872
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.760
You do have to take risks, and you just, yeah,

873
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.440
it's gonna work out all the time, and that's okay.

874
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.159
Like in the same way you're gonna have bad days

875
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.800
parenting and great days parenting, but you do just make

876
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.719
some leaps and feel uncomfortable at.

877
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.199
Times because that's the only way to grow.

878
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:29.280
And if things don't work out, that's okay. There's enough

879
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.440
you pine you do do stuff like it never ends.

880
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:36.159
That's just life, isn't it. It's just constant meeting us change.

881
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.320
So I hope that's really useful. Thanks to month that soath.

882
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:40.599
Nurse can find you as always.

883
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:42.679
Thank you so much for joining us on The Running

884
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.079
Wine Mom and spending time with us. Don't forget to subscribe,

885
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.079
leave a review and share this episode with a mom

886
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:48.880
who needs to hear it. You can follow me on

887
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.760
Instagram at the Running Wine Mom underscore and Vicky, where

888
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:55.679
can the listeners find you? Honest man, awesome and I

889
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:57.400
will link all of that. Thank you so much for

890
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.760
joining us today. Remember you were strong, you were capable,

891
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:03.119
and we're all amazing. Until next time, keep running, keep sipping,

892
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.639
keep embracing the joy of motherhood. And thank you Vicky

893
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:06.920
for joining us.

894
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:08.159
Thank you so much.

895
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:11.440
The month though, Thank you, See you guys next Tuesday.