Mouth Breathing, Mom Guilt, and the Future of Kids’ Health: Michele Grasmick of Toothpillow

Samantha Cieslinski (00:01.808)
Welcome back to the Running Wine Mom podcast. I'm your host, Samantha Cieslinski AKA the Running Wine Mom. Today, we're diving into a topic that's close to every parent's heart, our children's health and wellbeing. Joining me today is Michelle Grasmick, the president of Toothpillow, a revolutionary telehealth platform that's transforming pediatric airway health and early orthodontic care. We'll explore how Michelle's leadership is making waves in the world of children's health, the innovative approaches to

Toothpillow is bringing to the table and how these advancements are helping our kids breathe better, sleep soundly and thrive. So without further ado, let's welcome Michelle. Welcome Michelle.

Michele Grasmick (00:39.404)
Hi, how are you? can you see me here? Okay, you can see me. Okay, good. Thank you so much for having me, Samantha. This is a huge honor. I've been following you and just, it's like, I'm watching you be a mom and thinking, how does she do it? So thanks for having me. You're my advice go-to. So, so such a pleasure to be here, Humboldt.

Samantha Cieslinski (00:41.798)
So excited to have you.

Samantha Cieslinski (00:56.207)
haha

Yeah. Yes, I am excited and I love having especially women owned businesses on or, women owned running businesses, women run businesses on just to show that we can truly do it all. And before we get into that to start each episode, we have our wine, wine and win of the week segment. That is where we share our favorite bottle of wine or drink.

Michele Grasmick (01:09.571)
Look.

Right, right, right. I get what you're

Samantha Cieslinski (01:26.234)
Then about something that has been bothering us and celebrate our recent victory. So grab a glass, take a deep breath, and let's get started. So Michelle, what is your drink of the week?

Michele Grasmick (01:35.64)
Always a margarita. Sorry, sis, I know you probably have a glass of wine there, but I just like, I remember, was like, my God, hopefully she's okay with me having a margarita on here. That's my go-to. Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (01:37.836)
I'll...

Samantha Cieslinski (01:45.276)
I love it. It is margarita season officially and it's so good.

Michele Grasmick (01:50.282)
It is. think of DeMaio is like the kickoff. It's like, yep, time for margaritas.

Samantha Cieslinski (01:54.436)
Yes. Well, cheers. So what is your complaint line of the week?

Michele Grasmick (01:58.158)
Thank you, just here.

I mean, is it like, can we go into like, it's mother, we just got over mother's day, right? So what is it over mother's day? And it's like, we, it's like the biggest blessing, but also like, unless you decide to like leave your children that day, you're not getting a break, right? So it's like not anything different. but my husband, he did, he really did try, but I just always feel like I put too many expectations on that or something. And I don't know if that's like just me or if that's mom's, but.

Samantha Cieslinski (02:06.032)
Yes.

Samantha Cieslinski (02:17.84)
Ha ha ha!

Michele Grasmick (02:30.638)
It was still beautiful day. went by too fast and I was exhausted and I think we do too much and really we should just kind of like lean into a break and so yeah, I would say that was my like wine of the week is if I could do it again, I might not have put a million things into that day and just took a moment to enjoy enjoy a break, you know, enjoy a glass of margarita.

Samantha Cieslinski (02:51.972)
Yeah, it is. And that's what I feel like I saw all over social media this weekend was like everyone had these expectations and like their significant other didn't meet them or their day wasn't met. And we actually this year, my husband had to work on Mother's Day. So we celebrated it Saturday. And it was actually so nice because we I kind of did whatever I wanted during the day. We went out to dinner as a family. It was very relaxing.

Michele Grasmick (03:09.451)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (03:19.556)
And then on Sunday, I got to kind of celebrate everybody else. And it was like, yeah, I was still celebrated, but like, it wasn't as pressure. So like, I think we're gonna celebrate Saturday every year. Yeah. Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (03:24.258)
That's cool. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, that's what it is. It's this pressure that you like put on that day. but it's not, that's not like, it's so funny how guys are different, right? On Father's Day, it's never like that. So it's just us. It must be us. We have this like weird, weird mom thing, huh? Where we like need to feel like we're enough, right? That's the issue, right? Like, are we enough? And then we like want people to prove it to us that day. Make sure I know I'm enough on this day. And then it's like, you failed at that.

Samantha Cieslinski (03:39.992)
No, not at all.

Samantha Cieslinski (03:57.06)
And then you're like, does that mean the other 364 days I'm like not enough because one day, you know, I get it. So what is your win of the week?

Michele Grasmick (04:00.842)
Yeah, right,

I think it's a win every week when I get up in the morning and get to just do the mom thing and Toothpillow where I work really provides the ability for moms to do that And so I get up I get to see my child my son off and I get to get ready with my daughter She does makeup with me. She's 18 months old and then so just that little moment in the morning to me is a win if I don't have that or if somebody schedules a call early for me

Samantha Cieslinski (04:29.487)
Michele Grasmick (04:37.368)
get a little grumpy because it's like that's like my right before the storm. And so yeah, I'd say that's my win every week.

Samantha Cieslinski (04:44.764)
Yeah, that's wonderful. I know I wish I could spend time with my kids in the morning. I just can't because I'm like up and out by 7 a.m. So, but I do, you know, look forward to the days that I can. So I always like to ask my guests, what is one significant challenge you've successfully navigated shaping your journey to where you are today?

Michele Grasmick (04:53.391)
my gosh, that was... Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (05:06.606)
Right. So, you know, taking a very big leap of faith, I stepped out of my comfort zone to start this company called Toothpillar, right? And I had to do that. I had to leave a really amazing company that really took care of me, was my rock through having both of my babies, where some of my most valued mentors are still crushing it. And Samantha, I hope it doesn't sound crass when I say I worked my tail off to be one of the top executive sales there and running a team to success. And we'll chat more about

maybe that company a little bit later. But when I say that I was the golden girl there, like if you can work your tail off to be that, I was very blessed to if I wanted to change something in marketing, I was able to change it. And so for me to get out of that comfort zone and decide I'm going to create a new company. And that was the hardest thing because, you know, financially it shouldn't matter, but there was a huge financial leap of faith there.

Samantha Cieslinski (05:57.585)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (06:05.432)
for me is I'm trying to decide like, we are very blessed to have another business. But that being said, my income was bringing in a lot of what we needed to survive, especially in this economy. And so I was just like, I don't know why it just kind of sat on my heart that I needed to do this. But to say it wasn't a challenge is a lie. I left some of the best people in the world and I knew that like, you know, when it's like out of mind or whatever that saying is.

Samantha Cieslinski (06:05.723)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (06:19.932)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (06:34.66)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (06:34.898)
I just knew that like when I saw them every day, it was one thing when I went to do this, that wasn't going to be the case. And so I left a family there. They're still my family. it just wasn't, it wasn't easy. So, I would say that's been one of the biggest challenges, but like, I don't know if you believe in like meant to bees. and you know, I think God already always has a plan. So.

Samantha Cieslinski (06:42.96)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (06:56.944)
short.

Michele Grasmick (07:00.322)
Here we are, but I remember that being the biggest step out of the boat and walk on water and trust that you can walk on water moment. And it took a lot of grit. So I'll say that's it. Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (07:01.648)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (07:07.44)
Ha ha ha.

Samantha Cieslinski (07:11.888)
That's awesome. I'm so happy. Yes, and I'm excited to talk more about that part. But first, the running wide mom, we start with a little fitness. What is your favorite way to stay active?

Michele Grasmick (07:17.326)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (07:23.724)
Yeah, I so one thing I and this could like qualifies two things is we mean my husband go every day from six to seven o'clock Mountain. We have a my mother-in-law's our babysitter. So we're able to do it. I kind of almost count it like twofold like a little mini date time with him because we don't have a lot of time. So for me, that's like really special because we like weight lift together. I definitely try to get my sauna time in. They don't have a red light in there, which I want them to upgrade.

Samantha Cieslinski (07:40.848)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (07:53.614)
I do that at night. So that is my fitness right now. I do love pickleball. I played collegiate volleyball. So it's just a little hard with babies, right? Cause you almost need a sitter to go play pickleball. And so I miss that, but when I can, I squeeze in a little pickleball and we love to hike. So we hike with the kids on the weekends when we can. That's like, and it's harder like with a one and a four year old.

Samantha Cieslinski (08:03.568)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Michele Grasmick (08:17.262)
It's like I'm literally carrying both babies the most of the way, but we still like want them to be out in nature and all the things. So we give it a go, even though we're more exhausted than we started, right? But those are my fitness tips and tricks. Get out there, yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (08:19.952)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (08:27.502)
Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, we just got back from Shenandoah and I have a two and four year old and it was like, you know, my daughter were like, you're you don't have the book bag for you. Like, you know, even though Parker's in the book bag, like my son or whatever the backpack and he was like, we're like, come on, this is you can do it. But she gets to the top. She loved every year. She's like,

Michele Grasmick (08:47.617)
Right, right, right.

Michele Grasmick (08:51.5)
Right, right.

Samantha Cieslinski (08:55.691)
I had the best week ever. We're like, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michele Grasmick (08:55.714)
Right. Do you have that thing to carry the two year old on the back? How heavy is that? So then like your back is breaking, you're going up a hill. And then my four year old can like at some point he's just done. And I'm like, dude, we can't just carry you too. So it's like, we have our backpack with all our essentials. We have a two year old who's 30 pounds on one and then you're trying and then the other one has to be held. my gosh.

Samantha Cieslinski (09:10.118)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (09:15.59)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (09:21.784)
Yeah, a lot. know. I'm always like thankful for like the hips or whatever the waist support of it. But my husband held him for the he held, you know, Parker because he's like 35 pounds. He's big. So so how does maintaining your fitness routine contribute to your relationship with mental health?

Michele Grasmick (09:30.701)
YAH!

Michele Grasmick (09:34.882)
Wow.

Michele Grasmick (09:43.118)
I don't know if I honestly, think the biggest thing is this like mom guilt that we feel like, know, and so for me, it's even sometimes a struggle to go do my one hour from six to seven, cause I'm like, I've already worked all day and now I'm like prioritizing this hour because I need husband time, but then I also need my mental health fitness time. And so just like talking myself through that and sometimes

Samantha Cieslinski (09:54.63)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (09:59.184)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (10:10.006)
It's hard because they're crying while I'm leaving, right? They're like, you just like came back and now like, you know, and I'm staying at home mama. So like they see me all day, but then there's like a gate there. And so they're peeking through and I hear them and then mom, and it's just, breaks you. and so that time allows for me to kind of like just kind of reboot. and when I get home, it's on, it's like, it's like now my second job, my bet, my number one job really. And we, we do all the fun things with them and we're exhausted.

Samantha Cieslinski (10:14.468)
I know.

Samantha Cieslinski (10:32.113)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (10:39.822)
but it's like, it's what we do it for, So.

Samantha Cieslinski (10:42.588)
Yeah. And it's important for us to show our kids that prioritizing exercise is really important. My mom always did that. I think that's why, I, it's not that I don't feel guilty, but our gym has a really like fun kids club. So I'm like, all right, you guys are going to kids club and you can. So it's sort of like lifetime, but it's an individually owned one. So they kind of can do whatever they want, but it's cool. have like classes for the kids. like.

Michele Grasmick (10:51.213)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (10:58.434)
How lucky you. Is it like lifetime or something? Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (11:06.569)
Okay.

Samantha Cieslinski (11:12.058)
I think tomorrow night my daughter's doing like run club. My son will do like cooking. So it's nice.

Michele Grasmick (11:12.28)
Great.

That is so, that is really cool. That is really cool. Yeah. I always like we're doing tumbling with a one year old and my husband's like, what is the point of this? I'm like, because you want them to like do it now because they get in the rhythm. And so it's like more for us really. Um, but it's necessary. So karate, will say like one tip, like if you have like a son and you're trying to get that focus, the jiu jitsu, taekwondo, I have a second degree black belt in taekwondo. So I'm a little privy, but, um, that's

Samantha Cieslinski (11:21.722)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (11:29.03)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (11:44.034)
that's really been helpful for a four-year-old with focus and development issues and stuff. yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (11:46.402)
Okay, that's good to hear. My son is a younger one, but my husband has said he like already said like he wants to get him into that 100%. So that's good to know.

Michele Grasmick (11:54.392)
after.

And they start with like small times, Samantha. So it's like 30 minutes because their focus is off. So you can, I think you get started early as three. So yeah, don't be scared. Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (12:03.481)
Yeah.

I love that, we'll have to look into it. So you kind of touched on your family, but tell us a little bit more about it, about them.

Michele Grasmick (12:13.55)
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, and this is, I think an appointment story that ties into everything anyways, but we really struggled with infertility. We've been together since college and I'm almost 40. I cannot believe that. Like that's crazy for me. So for us to go 15 years trying, right? And with PCOS and all the things and just never got pregnant. so

Samantha Cieslinski (12:22.492)
Mmm.

Michele Grasmick (12:39.712)
I do have a little bit of PTSD from like taking pregnancy tests and things like that. And I just remember thinking like, maybe I'm supposed to adopt a baby. Like maybe there's a baby there for me. And, everybody's like, why don't you just do IVF? Why don't you just do IVF? And I'm like, I just don't know why, but I feel like I'm being called to adopt a baby. And my husband's like, that's like three times more expensive with, by the way, Samantha, that's ridiculous. Right. Because.

Samantha Cieslinski (12:44.23)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (13:03.324)
Okay.

Samantha Cieslinski (13:08.611)
That's crazy.

Michele Grasmick (13:09.696)
It's crazy. so, but that being said, like God will give you when you need. And for whatever reason, that year that we adopted Jagger, we were able to financially afford that. And it was, it was life changing for me. was 36 years old. I'll never forget when we got a phone call, it was not easy to go through all the steps, but I definitely wanted a baby from birth. And he was born with, he was on every drug that you can think of.

marrow, I mean meth, heroin. was pretty bad. We didn't know what we were walking into, but like, just felt peaceful about it. I don't, can't explain it. Like I really, it's transcends and we got there, it during COVID. So that was a crazy time. was in Tampa. So he was born in Florida and, you know, people want you to be mad at that mom who, who did that to her child. But to me, this was the most selfless mother she knew she was sorry.

Samantha Cieslinski (13:50.481)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (14:02.596)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (14:08.776)
She knew she had an addiction and she knew she wanted me to be a mom. And so like I remember the nurses even being like a little angry with her and stuff. And I was like, stop this woman. And she could have given this baby to her dad who wanted him, but she followed through and she gave us the biggest gift. And everybody says, you saved a baby. No, this baby saved us for sure. Hands down. He's everything. He's everything. He's why.

Samantha Cieslinski (14:13.636)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (14:25.211)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (14:34.172)
I'm like, have the chills right now.

Michele Grasmick (14:37.966)
I'll tell you why he's a little bit about why tooth fill exists too. There's a big link between like, you know, when you adopt you can't breastfeed. So that's like a big deal for developing jaws and things like that. And I just, I wasn't able to breastfeed him, but he was mine and he's perfect. He's four. He has all the boy things now. And, and then how crazy is this that after that many years of infertility and everybody telling me I was going to have to have this surgery and that surgery and everything.

Samantha Cieslinski (14:46.246)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (15:08.062)
I thought I was dying, but I was pregnant with my daughter and because I'd taken so many tests, Sam, and they were negative that when I had all these symptoms that everybody was like, that sounds like pregnancy. was like, no, it's cancer. have stomach cancer. get something else. I'm dying. And, and I just remember like being so scared to take a test. Cause then it meant like, if it wasn't that, that I was dying. And so.

Samantha Cieslinski (15:13.167)
my gosh.

Samantha Cieslinski (15:25.18)
I'm dying.

Samantha Cieslinski (15:34.364)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (15:37.07)
I finally had a really good friend, a doctor of mine who's a dentist and airway dentist say, you have to do this, Michelle, I'll go with you. And it was the longest five minutes of my life. The lady walks in and she goes, the nurse, goes, how pregnant are you? I've never seen a pinker line in my life. And I was 13 weeks pregnant. I'd gotten through the first trimester without knowing. And how weird is this? But because I was so sick, it was like the first time ever that I hadn't had a drink.

Samantha Cieslinski (15:54.488)
shut up.

Michele Grasmick (16:06.542)
or anything because I was so sick and I was like, I'm dying, even want alcohol anymore. And she just knew she, my little miracle baby knew that I wasn't supposed to drink. And so anyways, but that was so, was a cool, it's totally a rainbow story because like when it was meant to be, I wouldn't have had Jagger if I had like, like, you know what I mean? You think of it that way. It's like, I was supposed to have him, so.

Samantha Cieslinski (16:06.948)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (16:12.71)
No margaritas!

Samantha Cieslinski (16:18.768)
Yeah. my gosh.

Samantha Cieslinski (16:29.144)
Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (16:33.794)
There was no baby until I had him. And then all of sudden it was like, just, it just happened. So I just, and I'm not going to say that that's going to happen for everyone. Cause I know that this is a really touchy subject. but like I just challenge any mom who wants a baby, like don't give up. Like there's a baby out there for you. However, I always thought I'd adopt, but I didn't know I'd start with adoption, you know? And so it's been, I know that's a long story, but yeah, it's, it's a big story for my family. So I have two babies.

Samantha Cieslinski (16:38.576)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (16:50.714)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (16:59.002)
Yeah. No!

Michele Grasmick (17:03.342)
under four, two under four. And we, me and my husband are navigating that at a very much older age where we're a lot more sore and mentally a little bit slower, but we're grateful. So, yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (17:03.863)
my gosh.

Samantha Cieslinski (17:09.73)
Yeah. So cool. Yeah. As you were saying, one my best friends is adopted and her older sister adopted and then her parents had two biological after adopting the two. So I'm like, I didn't know anyone else who that happened to. And I just think it's so wonderful to do both, you know, and yeah.

Michele Grasmick (17:32.398)
He's not any different like when I say nature versus nurture It's like such like he's my everything and how weird is this like we didn't ask for this We were just kind of really open and he looks exactly like us more than our our biology It's like how does that even happen like so it's just we're perfectly blessed perfectly blessed

Samantha Cieslinski (17:46.438)
So cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so this might be a loaded question, but what were you least prepared for in parenthood?

Michele Grasmick (17:59.374)
I would say, I would say the guilt again, the mom, like the, the feeling of not ever having enough to give, of yourself when you're trying to manage a career and a new business and a hundred employees at work. And then it's like, turn around and now give everything you can. And you just look at them and you know, like, and they're just looking at you like, I need you, I need you, I need you. And, I thought like there was enough hours in the day to do both.

Samantha Cieslinski (18:04.304)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (18:24.443)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (18:28.202)
And sometimes there, and there is, but it's just kind of that feeling in the back of your mind that like, am I missing the best years of their life? Because I really feel called to build this, this dream that will help many parents. And so that's probably the hardest thing for me. Sleep was like, everyone's like, asleep. got used to the no sleep.

Samantha Cieslinski (18:28.912)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (18:37.222)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (18:48.046)
Yeah. Yeah, you're like, big deal. I know the guilt really is something and I tried to look at it like, I don't know any of my friends who like, you know, don't like their mom as an adult or like have resentment towards their mom as an adult because they were working on something that like was their passion. So I'm like,

I try or like something that made them a better person. So that's kind of what I try to keep in mind, even though it's like hard to do, know, often. So what do think your parenting style is?

Michele Grasmick (19:18.796)
Yes, yes, yes, 100%.

Michele Grasmick (19:25.326)
totally like laid back until it's not or something. Like I go with the flow. I was never the mom who's like, I was like, here, take my baby. Like, here you go. I just, those things, and you know, and get mad at me in the comments or whatever, but it bugs me when moms are like very, it's like, no, like you want your baby to not be scared to go to other people. And so I was just very laid back, I would say.

Samantha Cieslinski (19:29.211)
ha ha ha!

Samantha Cieslinski (19:35.15)
Yeah, yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (19:44.366)
Mm-hmm, possessive.

Michele Grasmick (19:52.494)
And then now I do definitely find myself like a little bit less patient. So like then I was maybe because of like just a little bit of high stress work environment and everything. And I'm just like, it's like all these things going on. And so just, I would describe myself as a little bit of a frazzled, a little frazzled mama. So frazzled, but laid back. There you go.

Samantha Cieslinski (19:59.555)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (20:13.308)
Aren't we all, right? Love it. So what's one piece of advice that you would give to other parents?

Michele Grasmick (20:23.162)
you know, so I would say you don't need to choose between nurturing a family and nurturing a vision. That's my advice. So even though you're going to be frazzled and you're, you're going to have these moments of guilt. like if there's a calling or if you have a, like this calling on your heart, like go ahead and go with that and let it lead you to your vision. is what I would say because I'm doing that over here and it's making an impact for sure.

Samantha Cieslinski (20:29.755)
Mmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (20:37.584)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (20:47.932)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (20:52.462)
and I get chills every time, but my team does a really good job of sending me kind of some of the messages from moms who are just like so grateful for Toothpillow. And so, yeah, that's it.

Samantha Cieslinski (21:02.01)
Yeah, that's amazing. And now we're gonna get into Toothpillow. Can you kind of take us back to the moment where the idea for Toothpillow was born? What personal or professional experiences kind of sparked this innovative venture?

Michele Grasmick (21:15.79)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. was so I was at this company that I was the golden girl, right? And we were solving for this education, educating dentists to treat patients for sleep apnea with natural solutions like oral appliance therapy. And it's one of those things that when you see it, you can't unsee it. The things that I learned there about sleep apnea and quality of sleep and those things was just like,

Samantha Cieslinski (21:31.035)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (21:46.382)
It was really like it shook, it shakes you. It's like if all I could do is treat myself and my family, that was enough for me. That's how much it an impact. And so I just remember thinking if we don't do anything, then nobody's gonna know about this and it's just gonna keep going in a circle. And when I say that, mean, we're here educating dentists, but there's not enough dentists doing it, why?

Samantha Cieslinski (21:53.296)
Right. Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (22:12.878)
So right now there's less than two, I want to say there's 200,000 dentists in this country. This is like a stat and less than 5 % do anything with airway and breathing. So if you want to go into an airway dental office, you're like, it's a coin toss. It's like playing Russian roulette. And so we kept thinking, well, here we are. We're educating them more than anyone. And my sales team is doing great. And I'm getting doctors to say yes, but it's like of the five, the 200,000 dentists.

I have less than 2,000 that are doing anything. So it's like, how is that gonna treat the mom in a rural area? So accessibility to this was like a really big deal for us. And so Toothpillow is kind of born there. And I remember I was sitting in a hotel with one of my best friends and the CEO of Toothpillow, co-founder Chad Rasmussen, incredible. And we were both kind of there and he's like, something needs to shift. We have to bring the patient to the doctor who has decided to do this. And the only way we're gonna do that is if we do telehealth.

Samantha Cieslinski (22:49.21)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (23:10.542)
And if we do telehealth, then one doctor in a state can treat hundreds. And we have a product for kids that we can do that with very successfully and achieve a good patient outcome with. And so Tupul was born and next thing I know, he's going, well, he's the visionary and I'm the relationship girl. I've got the doctors, he's got the vision. And we're like, so who are these doctors? And so we went and got.

Samantha Cieslinski (23:11.451)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (23:30.896)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (23:36.098)
the top three airway dentists in the country, Dr. Ben Moralia, Dr. Callie Grace Hale, Dr. Kevin Gools. And they all kind of specialize in different parts of age groups and things. And I just remember going, hey guys, do you think this is possible? And we got on a call and they were like, are you kidding me? And I'll never forget Dr. Ben because he's training doctors across the country as fast as he can. And he can only do so much. And if this dentist has 2000 patients, they can only treat.

Samantha Cieslinski (24:00.326)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (24:05.804)
the patients in their office. And so it's like, how fast can he do that? And he was like, this is going to change the face of just healthcare in general. Like we are going to be knocking on the door of big pharma because we're getting to the root cause of what the issue is, which is underdeveloped upper and lower jaws, not enough room for the teeth, which is creating all these symptoms for kids, right? That we talk about like ADD and ADHD, bedwetting, mouth breathing, snoring, restless sleep.

Samantha Cieslinski (24:07.685)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (24:34.368)
nightmares, chronic allergies, depression, anxiety, headaches, right? All of this is kind of like at the root of why these kiddos are having these issues. So, So Toothpillar, we were like, have to educate moms to then educate their audience so that therefore they know kind of what are some of the solutions and they're really natural solutions. And we have those at Toothpillar.

Samantha Cieslinski (24:45.404)
Wow.

Samantha Cieslinski (24:56.058)
Yeah. So as you mentioned, this is like a very niche but crucial area. What kind of drew you to focus on that specific area of children's health versus maybe something else that is a bigger issue in the children's health world?

Michele Grasmick (25:14.178)
Right, so you just can't unsee it, right? Once you hear it, it's like you're kind of mind-deafed, it's everywhere. So nine out 10 kids crowded crooked teeth. We think it's genetic, it's not genetic, it's the soft food diet. It's the lower rate of breastfeeding due to career oriented moms, so no shame there. But it weakens the tongue and puts it in a low posture creating this almost ret rooted underdeveloped face. And that child has dark circles, is tired, is hyperactive.

Samantha Cieslinski (25:16.656)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (25:41.686)
And I'll never forget one of the lead orthodontists in this space saying to me, Michelle, your teeth don't matter if you can't breathe. We can die with straight, beautiful white teeth because we never addressed the underdevelopment and helped to shape the child's jaw. And that child becomes that adult with underdevelopment who struggles to sleep, have energy, has cardiac problems, diabetes, and all these other comorbidities that shorten their lifespan. And so the shape of their upper and lower jaw shortens their lifespan because they can't breathe. And so their body can't heal.

Samantha Cieslinski (25:48.764)
Mm.

Michele Grasmick (26:11.784)
and just thought, yeah, so how do we educate a million moms on this? Because it's preventative versus corrective, right? So if we can get to it at three, then maybe this kiddo will never go through that as an adult. yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (26:15.483)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (26:19.569)
Right?

Samantha Cieslinski (26:25.276)
Wow, that's, mean, I knew that it was an issue if there was, you know, a breathing, you know, when they say, oh, is your child snoring or whatever? Like I knew there was a little bit of an issue behind if you said yes, but like I didn't realize it was that huge of a deal that could leave it, yeah.

Michele Grasmick (26:41.24)
Right. It's not a funny thing. Yeah. Well, we, and we see it in like Disney characters and we always like joke and it's like a funny thing, but it's a bigger problem when we see it. and even in an adult, right? You see, you're like, my husband snores. And then you're like, yeah, it's annoying. And I can't sleep. But it's like, well, do you like him enough to fix him? Because that's really shortening his life.

Samantha Cieslinski (26:55.718)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (27:04.506)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (27:06.996)
if he continues to do that, he's not getting enough oxygen to his brain. And so we want, we want husbands to be nasal breathing, right? So, and it happens to be more in men because they have a thicker neck and some of the things, but I'll be honest with you. I see so many really fit women who have upper respiratory issues and end up having sleep apnea as well. So it's, everywhere. And so just getting checked, right? So we wanted to provide a way to do that virtually for patients.

Samantha Cieslinski (27:33.638)
business.

Samantha Cieslinski (27:37.178)
Right. So in a world filled with orthodontic solutions, what really sets Toothpillow apart in its approach to early intervention and jaw development?

Michele Grasmick (27:46.818)
Yes, early intervention, gentle guided growth with appliances that naturally take the weight of the cheeks off the teeth to help the tongue up into the right place so that the child can breathe through their nose and get into that deeper, restful, better quality oxygenated sleep. We really try to get ahead of the issues before that child needs braces. So braces straighten teeth in a jaw that is too small. We need to grow the jaw to the proper size and then we can align the teeth if there's still a need.

Samantha Cieslinski (27:53.552)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (28:09.925)
Okay.

Michele Grasmick (28:14.882)
But how funny that often if we start early, we can get ahead of the symptoms that I mentioned to you that are attached to that underdevelopment, but we can also get all the 32 teeth to come into proper space that they were meant to. So it's like, we don't have to extract the teeth. We don't need wisdom teeth extractions. So it's funny how treating the root allows for the true genetic potential of that child. And a lot of just providers aren't even aware of that. So interesting.

Samantha Cieslinski (28:26.643)
yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (28:39.771)
Right?

So how do you envision Toothpillow reshaping the conversation around children's sleep and breathing health in the next five years?

Michele Grasmick (28:50.114)
Yeah, I love that question, Sam, because right now too many providers normalize things to parents that aren't normal, like snoring, mouth breathing, bedwetting, night terrors, poor focus, and they're all deeply tied to the airway and the breathing. So our vision is for Toothpillar to lead kind of a national shift where airway and sleep become part of every child's wellness check. And it's not just an afterthought. So we're not just treating, we're educating. In five years, I would really...

Samantha Cieslinski (28:55.376)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (29:18.348)
I would really want pediatricians, teachers, parents to speak a shared language about breathing and sleep quality, the same way we already kind of do about nutrition or vaccine. know, Toothpillow will, God willing, be the trusted brand guiding families from babyhood through adulthood.

Samantha Cieslinski (29:26.501)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (29:34.884)
Mm-hmm. And it is absolutely wild to me that it is not a part of the, you know, normal pediatric appointment. Like we need to breathe to live. Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (29:45.92)
Not at all. Right. They don't check tongue ties yet and they say that you'll grow out of a tongue tie. But if a baby can't latch and breastfeed properly, Samantha, it's like, then they don't get a breastfeed. it's like, wow. So we're like, grow out of what? If they have a posterior tongue tie, they're not suckling properly. So then the mom's not craving enough milk. And so there's just really nice, simple things we could do. I am obsessed with lactation specialists. They are doing some incredible things.

Samantha Cieslinski (29:54.108)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (29:59.11)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (30:15.142)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (30:15.498)
to get moms on the right path. just, I'm not saying don't trust your pediatrician, just also inquire a little deeper if you're struggling to breastfeed because that is like, we know there's just so many benefits to that. But that being said, no shaming. I was a formula mom. I love the right baby formulas and fed is best, right? We talk about fed is best. And the good news about Toothpillow is we'll come back.

and we'll be able to take that child who might have the underdevelopment and get them back on the right track. So at the end of the day, you need to bottle feed your baby, bottle feed your baby, then maybe let's teach them baby lead weaning to chew better. And chewing dysfunction is even worse, right? So we can help get the child chewing properly. They're getting more foods. Kind of a cool point here is if you have a picky eater, typically it's an airway issue. So if they have less than 20 foods,

Samantha Cieslinski (31:05.66)
Mm-hmm.

Wow.

Michele Grasmick (31:11.222)
The struggle is because they're suffocating while they're trying to eat. So they're scared, they're protecting their airway. So here we think we have this picky eater and it's actually because they're chewing dysfunction there. And so when we get that that tooth pill guide in there and it takes the pressure off the cheeks and they start to grow that palate to where it should be.

all of a sudden you notice you have a child that's getting better nutrition, because they're going for the foods that typically you'd want them to eat, but they're going for the dino nugget or the mac and cheese or the french fries and you're getting frustrated as mom. You're like, why can't I get them to eat vegetables? And you're trying to make them into the shape of a dino nugget. It's really, it's true that the shape is what allows for them to breathe while they're eating. It's where they're putting it and positioning into their mouth. So yeah, I mean, these are.

Great, great questions. You just don't know what you don't know, right?

Samantha Cieslinski (32:01.532)
Another thing I did not know nor have ever heard about which is that yeah, this is the Sylvie group Yeah Makes sense So as a mom, how has your perspective on children's health and wellness influenced the development and mission of tooth pillow?

Michele Grasmick (32:06.008)
Right. You're applying this to your son and your daughter. You're like, yeah, no, absolutely.

Michele Grasmick (32:22.278)
so, you know, I would just say that with my son, right, that has been a big thing. I just really wanted to make sure that other moms have the ability to hear about this. So we use influencers in this space. And sometimes that's like kind of looked poorly upon, but we really truly would rather use a mom's voice who somebody trusts like yourself, right? You have followers who trust you because of who you are, the research you've done. They're going to buy a product. They're going to buy it from you because you've done it.

Samantha Cieslinski (32:43.59)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (32:51.2)
and they see how you've raised your family. And to us, that's very special. And so we wanted to use those moms to get the voice out there, or dads, right? Moms or dads. And it's like, I'd rather do that than pay Facebook or, you know, to kind of do that. And so our mission was to use and educate, well, use influencers to educate moms nationwide, just exactly the way I'm over here doing this with you.

Samantha Cieslinski (33:07.61)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (33:17.194)
the way that it impacted my son and why I wish more moms knew. And they're using their platforms to do that for us really well. And it's getting out there and moms are questioning like, why is my orthodontist not talking to me about this? Why, you know, why is the pediatrician telling me my child's going to grow out of this? And it's like, no, yeah, like, I'm glad you're asking that question. Toothpill is here to say we need to start now because underdevelopment starts in the womb. There's things that we could do with our diet when we're pregnant to actually shape

Samantha Cieslinski (33:30.811)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (33:42.64)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (33:46.414)
the child's jaw. and I think that just having a resource and a place to go to answer those questions, like you're on baby list, you're buying product, what if Tupelo can give you recommended product from the top lactation specialist, the top IVC, you know, the top speech language pathologists, the OTs, the infant PTs, and the airway dentist. And it's like now that's the tool because just the shape of that bottle nipple was enough.

Samantha Cieslinski (33:48.763)
No way.

Samantha Cieslinski (33:55.409)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (34:13.964)
to be able to offset the fact that you couldn't breastfeed, but you didn't know it. So you bought that nipple. So we just want to give some options and set moms on the right track and these influencers are helping us with that mission.

Samantha Cieslinski (34:17.348)
Yeah, right.

Samantha Cieslinski (34:26.512)
Yeah, and I do, I think sometimes it's like, fat, even with, you know, me sharing with my kids, it's like, you get, know, like you shouldn't be doing that. But I think building a community of mothers and building trust in them is so important. And I, know, like myself, like I share products our kids love and use. And just like with this, I'm learning so much from you that I had no idea about.

And I know there's so many listeners that are going to also learn as well, which is super important. It's a way to get it out. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right.

Michele Grasmick (34:56.674)
Right. And so seven years ago, when I had that thought, I thought, how do I get this to a millions of moms? And that was where Toothpill was born. It was like, have to have to figure it out. And not everybody has a vision like that and it takes off, but with the doctors that we have here, I knew it would happen. I was just, I just knew it. So.

Samantha Cieslinski (35:13.083)
Right.

Yeah. So what are some things that moms can do when they're pregnant that can help with jaw development and upper oral? Right.

Michele Grasmick (35:23.468)
Yeah, so it's just diet related really. it's because, so when we are pregnant, because we have that pressure, like we're going to have more sleep apneic events. So an apnea is...

Samantha Cieslinski (35:30.876)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (35:35.774)
us stopping breathing for 10 seconds or more. So as moms go through into their trimester, a lot of times they can't sleep, but it's because they're not breathing as well. They're mouth breathing because they can't breathe through their nose because they're congested. Like how many moms get so congested in here? And so it's just making sure that you have that proper diet where you're eating grass-fed meats and if you are a meat eater and just really protein and things like that will kind of help.

Samantha Cieslinski (35:39.023)
Okay.

Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (35:46.427)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (35:54.79)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (36:03.886)
guide the growth of the jaw that way. And then it's as soon as you give birth, assessing the ties, making sure your child doesn't have tongue ties or lip ties and getting them the proper latch, trying to breastfeed as long as you can. And then there's just these couple tools that you could be using as they're getting their first teeth. So four to five to six months that start to promote the chewing function, different toys that are shaped a certain way.

Samantha Cieslinski (36:10.193)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (36:29.036)
Like we even talk about bibs, right? We have those silicone bibs that you put on and they weigh so much that they pull the child's neck down. And when we do that, then they're not able to breathe while they're eating. So it constricts their airway. like just choices that you can make that you just might not otherwise have known. Fruit pouches get a really bad name, right? Because it's puréeing the food, it takes out the nutrition, it adds to the amount of sugar and the way we process that sugar.

Samantha Cieslinski (36:32.838)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (36:41.615)
Samantha Cieslinski (36:52.614)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (36:57.366)
and it's really taking away from the way the child's needing to chew. So we really want them to chew. So a hard food diet. So give them a piece of steak, cut it the right way. Solid starts is, I love solid starts because they use the proper size foods and things like that. Easy Peasy has incredible tools. If you've ever heard of Easy Peasy, they develop everything with the airway in mind. The top.

Samantha Cieslinski (37:02.363)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (37:17.499)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (37:22.462)
their inventor is the top feeding trauma therapist and SLP. name is Dawn Winkleman. She's incredible. She designs all their products. So I'm pitching it because when I, if I was to want a baby shower gift, this is what I would want because it's promoting proper jaw development for my child and airway development so they can get into deep sleep. So we have less likelihood of SIDS and oxygen deprivation during the night and the things we worry about. Right. So yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (37:26.928)
wow.

Samantha Cieslinski (37:37.179)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (37:49.774)
Right. Yeah, we use solid starts was such a cool app for me. All my both my kids did a hundred foods before one and I just felt like it relieved so much like pressure and stress from me and I had solid starts on my podcast. Not last summer, but the summer before. Yeah. And yeah.

Michele Grasmick (37:58.082)
best.

Michele Grasmick (38:09.003)
cool, yeah, one of their OCs. I love them.

Samantha Cieslinski (38:12.962)
It was just, and then we had the easy peasy stuff too. Now that you like that, you say that I'm like, yeah, we had, I forgot about that stuff, but we loved it.

Michele Grasmick (38:17.134)
That's cool. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. And Tupil wants to add on top of that. It's like, so they have like these apps that help moms. It's like, what if we can help with the oral development milestones that a child needs to be able to be healthy too, so that we can identify the symptoms early because we don't want to end up with a picky eater. And so we want them to have proper nutrition. So if we could do something between seven to six or zero to six months, and then six to 12 months to get them on that right track.

Samantha Cieslinski (38:29.05)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (38:38.938)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (38:46.542)
That's a go.

Samantha Cieslinski (38:48.06)
And it's something that I would use as a mom if I had a newborn and app like that to just show me because I have no idea what, I don't know, my baby's breathing, I guess they're all right. They're like, right, you know.

Michele Grasmick (38:58.646)
Yes, yeah, and that is true. That is true. Yeah, but it's just like you don't know what you don't know until you do and you can't unknow it. It's like, I'm going to give you more.

Samantha Cieslinski (39:07.418)
Which, yeah, and on, you know, kind of piggybacking off of that, in your opinion, what are some common misconceptions parents have about children's oral and airway health?

Michele Grasmick (39:19.726)
I think that they just kind of trust like the outlet to like give them those like details and stuff. so it's like, and I think they just, we do just trust the pediatrician that our kinos will outgrow things. And so like, I think shifting that mentality a little bit into.

Samantha Cieslinski (39:25.456)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (39:35.856)
Mm-hmm

Samantha Cieslinski (39:41.68)
Right.

Michele Grasmick (39:42.808)
We do need to dig a little deeper. And if we notice these things in our intuition as moms is there. not beating yourself up if you haven't heard about it yet either, but just being like now, if you hear this, if your child's mouth breathing, that's a, I've heard, so one of my favorite things that Dr. Ben-Morale says is mouth breathing is stage one cancer. And it just hits you, right? Because you're like, what does that even mean? And it's because,

Samantha Cieslinski (39:53.03)
Right.

Samantha Cieslinski (40:04.464)
Well.

Michele Grasmick (40:09.58)
That's just like the start of so many other issues in your life that is a domino effect. And so the mouth breathing leads to the snoring, leads to the grinding, then they're grinding because they're trying to get air and oxygen in the brain. So if your child's grinding, that's not normal. So just kind of really like watching your child sleep, right? And seeing that things might not be right.

Samantha Cieslinski (40:12.665)
issues.

Samantha Cieslinski (40:19.281)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (40:29.808)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (40:32.238)
And so, you know, they're always gonna mouth breathe when they're sick and they have nasal issues. So nasal hygiene, just one really simple thing. Get those boogers out of there, get them breathing through their nose. So yeah, just the tips and tricks.

Samantha Cieslinski (40:44.508)
Cool, awesome. And how can you suggest to parents on how to approach the topic of oral health with their children to make it more engaging rather than daunting? you hear, I don't hate the dentist, everyone's like, everything with your oral teeth and breathing, it's kind of, I mean, it's miserable when it's not, yeah.

Michele Grasmick (41:06.104)
Right? That like the happy visit, like, so you would say like, so I would say getting them in earlier to desensitize them from it being a fearful thing, right? And I really love that our doctors do happy visits, but I would do a happy visit way before they recommend it. Go in there and the doctor's like, cool, well, they're just going to charge you to have your kiddo play with stuff. But it's like, let them touch, let them feel, let them, you know, get acquainted with

Samantha Cieslinski (41:15.312)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (41:35.694)
kind of what the dental office looks like. And the most important thing is finding an airway dentist. Gosh, you just really want that dentist that's cognizant of that. And dentists really have two choices. They can either do this or they can refer to somebody who does. But they have to be checking the foundation and they have to be able to see if that child has a high V-shaped vaulted palate, if they have enough room for their tongue. And if your dentist isn't doing that, well,

the American Dental Association is telling them they have to right now. just kind of like going in and making sure you have that right person in your corner. And if they don't, then you know what, tell them that they should get that and you want to keep seeing them and challenge them to go get that education or get asked them for a referral to somebody who does. Right. So

Samantha Cieslinski (42:16.348)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (42:23.834)
Right. Yeah, that's super helpful. So looking ahead, what innovations or expansions do you foresee for Toothpillow in the realm of pediatric health?

Michele Grasmick (42:34.062)
Yeah, so we're developing like a stage-based app for moms and babies and toddlers to track the drawn development from infancy. We're also growing our virtual provider network across all 50 states, even more so to give families access to early screenings and education, kind of general intervention before braces or surgery ever become necessary. would like really, just before you ever put your kid under, right? It's like, and I'm not, I have.

Samantha Cieslinski (42:37.489)
Mm-hmm.

Michele Grasmick (43:01.794)
just disclaimer, I'm not giving medical advice here, but if you have somebody recommending tonsil adenoids removal, it's if you don't treat the root cause, which is the airway issue, the child's going to keep mouth breathing in those tonsils and adenoids grow back. So you're putting your child under voluntarily and you may need to end up doing another surgery because that doesn't treat the mouth breathing. So we need to then treat the foundation, get the jaw.

Samantha Cieslinski (43:04.806)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (43:29.134)
development there and then we may we've actually saved a lot of parents from doing the surgery. Being able to get them into guidance therapy with a tooth pillow, it's 24-month treatment plan. They get this cute box delivered to their house and we have all of the stuff attached to it like the fun games for compliance. They wear it at night, they wear it for an hour during the day and we really see huge changes in the kiddos and the symptoms are the most fun.

to see the changes in, but you see it in the teeth too. So the combination of the two are huge. So I would say that, and then our goals to meet moms where they are, build trust early, become a go-to for the whole-tile wellness through the lens of the airway and jaw development space. So kind of like pediatric health a little bit redefined, because I think that this is the reason we're going to the pediatrician all the time, because our kids are sick.

Samantha Cieslinski (44:22.342)
Yeah. Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (44:23.224)
They're getting sick again and again and again because they can't breathe properly and they can't just manage their own bodies, you know?

Samantha Cieslinski (44:32.324)
Yeah, it's so, I mean, I know I said it before, but just how much is connected to the breath with all of the sickness and behavioral issues. Wow. So what legacy do you hope to leave through your work with Toothpillow and Beyond?

Michele Grasmick (44:42.06)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (44:50.922)
I have a number in my head that we're going to at least 5 million kids in the next five years. And then we're going to prevent a generation of kids ever needed treated is our goal. So then that's touching on the babies because I think we should go with the babies. And then we're going to correct adults who have struggled with this their whole life because they had retractive traditional orthodontics.

Samantha Cieslinski (44:59.28)
Mm-hmm.

Samantha Cieslinski (45:06.609)
Yeah.

Samantha Cieslinski (45:10.875)
Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (45:20.89)
and you know, headgear and all the things which made for less space in their mouth and the inability to really get into deep healing sleep. And so now they have all these struggles in adulthood and they can't get pregnant because they have infertility issues because they're underdeveloped and right. It's just this whole thing and, it's not just one piece. There's other things, but I think if you treat the sleep issue, then a lot of the others can go away. if tooth pillow can do that, that's, that's hopefully the legacy.

Samantha Cieslinski (45:45.884)
10.

Samantha Cieslinski (45:50.01)
Wow. Well, you have told us so much and you are making such a difference in the world. But for listeners who are inspired by your journey, what advice would you offer to those looking to make a more meaningful impact in their community or industries like you're doing?

Michele Grasmick (46:06.572)
All right, all right. So maybe start with the problem that keeps you up at night and don't wait for permission to solve it. know, Toothpillar didn't come from a perfect plan. It came from our hearts and like this relentless, gritty drive to fix something that we knew was broken. So...

Samantha Cieslinski (46:07.931)
Heh.

Michele Grasmick (46:27.742)
If there's a problem in your world that won't let you sleep, don't wait for someone more qualified to fix it. You know, start messy and start scared and start, but start, you know, do something. and when the waves come, because they will, there will be waves. Don't be afraid of them. Lean into them. Like take a leap of faith, be gritty, stay grounded. You know, you don't need to be like the smartest cause I'm definitely not the smartest.

or a most funded person, right? Like we didn't have a lot of money starting this vision. So you just need to really like want to do it, right? And show up. So I would say that.

Samantha Cieslinski (47:01.518)
Mm-hmm. Wow. Well, that is a great way to end it. So thank you, Michelle, for all of this wonderful information that you've given. Yeah.

Michele Grasmick (47:09.248)
Yeah, sure. Yeah, no, I thank you so much, Sam, for having me. This is like, I need to get out of my comfort zone more often and have a margarita and get on a podcast.

Samantha Cieslinski (47:16.86)
There you go. Well, you did amazing. And it's incredible to learn how Toothpillow is not just addressing dental health, but it's also making significant strides in improving our children's overall well-being through better breathing and sleep. Remember, as parents staying informed and proactive about our children's health can make all the difference.

As always, thank you for spending this time with us on The Running Wine Mom. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review if you loved it, and share this episode with a mom who needs to hear it. You can follow me on Instagram at The Running Wine Mom underscore. And Michelle, where can the listeners find you?

Michele Grasmick (47:51.83)
Yeah, can social media tooth pillow is there to fill.com and we would I think we're like Twitter and YouTube. We've got some really cool podcasts with some of the top every dentists in the country. I have like no followers and I'm okay with that. just don't want to stay in my bubble. But yeah, that's how you can find tooth pillow and if

If you're okay with it, see them too. Just if anybody wants to get a free assessment for their kiddo, then I would love for them to use your name. So running wine mom for a free $50 video personalized from a doctor. If they submit their child with that, they can go on toothpill.com is my childhood candidate and they'll throw up a couple of photos and our doctors will do a full assessment and give them a diagnosis for their child.

Samantha Cieslinski (48:32.869)
Okay.

Okay.

Michele Grasmick (48:44.874)
in next steps. So if you're open for that, we'll do that for your listeners.

Samantha Cieslinski (48:50.914)
Awesome. Thank you so much. will list. will link all of that in the show notes and obviously share it out on my socials as well. So I hope listeners that you take advantage of that and I'll put the code in there as well. So thank you for that, Michelle. All right. So thank you so much for joining us today. Remember, you are strong, you are capable and you are all amazing. Until next time, keep running, keep sipping and keep embracing the joy of motherhood. Cheers. And I will be back next Tuesday.

Michele Grasmick (49:05.164)
You're welcome.