Aug. 27, 2025

Jeff & Steph talk how following god is simple but not easy, they also talk 13 tests all Christians must pass

Jeff & Steph talk how following god is simple but not easy, they also talk 13 tests all Christians must pass
Spotify podcast player icon
Spotify podcast player icon

Through the Bible, God tells us what we need to do and are expected to do.  They seem pretty simple, but why are they not easy?  Everyone who follows Jesus will be tested,  Joseph Mattera came up with a list of 13 tests all followers will have to take and must pass.  Jeff and Steph talk about these tests and how they measure up.  They range from test of lack, test of persecution, test of betrayal to test of unanswered prays and loving people unconditionally.   And of course you will hear about Jeff's cats and Steph's big move.  

You can watch and listen to Stephanie on her YouTube channel - In the Service of the Queen - where she talks about the blessed Mary     https://www.youtube.com/@InTheServiceOfTheQueen

You can catch Jeff on numorous podcasts   https://coolcasts.cooolmedia.com/

Please follow These Times on whoever you listen on, so that you don't miss an episode.
















WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:05.160
Waiting the day night sounds. I'm gotta get to the

2
00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:11.880
star bugs, get some magic beings me on my way.

3
00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:20.160
Magical as was my phone. We don't know, says there's

4
00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:22.480
no for that today.

5
00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.519
Well, hi everyone, I am Jeff, and welcome to these

6
00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:28.679
days with Jeff and stuff. Of course I have Jeff

7
00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:30.039
Steph Howerts in Nashville.

8
00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.960
Things are going great today. Actually, I just had lunch

9
00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:38.880
with one of my favorite priests, and uh, it's pretty interesting.

10
00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:42.640
So do you turn your water into wine for you?

11
00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:46.320
I should have asked he probably, he's so holy. He's

12
00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.240
one of these young holy ones, you know, he's like

13
00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:54.119
thirty seven, you know, does confession and adoration almost every

14
00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.359
day of the week. Told me actually that he just

15
00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.679
started adding because he said, they I didn't know this

16
00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.840
priest are required to pray the office five times a day,

17
00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:06.439
and so he him and another priest just started adding

18
00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.519
it six thirty in the morning and I think four

19
00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.359
point thirty in the afternoon to do the nighttime one

20
00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.840
and opening it up to the public for he said,

21
00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:15.959
only two or three people are coming, but he said

22
00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:17.480
they've gotten a lot out of it, and it's been

23
00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:20.519
really cool to pray it with parishioners, and not just

24
00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.879
them because they usually are praying it alone. Right, he says,

25
00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.000
this is pretty powerful. But yeah, he's an amazing priest.

26
00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:28.719
I'll tell you more about our lunch. But how are

27
00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:30.120
things going out there in Colorado?

28
00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.359
Geller Man, we lost summer all of a sudden, that

29
00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:35.439
it's all cloudy and rainy has been for a weig

30
00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:37.239
kind of a nice change, though. I guess it's going

31
00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:38.920
to hitting the nineties again here in a couple of days,

32
00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.959
so that would be nice. Get a little cool down

33
00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:42.760
before he's back up, I guess.

34
00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.280
And I know you don't want somewhere to go, No,

35
00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:45.879
I do not.

36
00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:48.120
You have a lot going on in your life, from

37
00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:49.840
moving and all kinds of stuff. I think he touched

38
00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:51.200
on that, how's the move going?

39
00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:54.040
Well, it's just crazy because, like I said, this priest

40
00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.200
actually they just made him second in command to the

41
00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:58.480
bishop as well, and so he just got this huge

42
00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:03.280
promotion and he's really busy. And I worked with him

43
00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:06.599
only for a few months several years back, but we

44
00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:10.400
always had like this instant connection and really good friendship.

45
00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:13.360
But it's not normal that we would even meet for lunch.

46
00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.800
I might actually see him in person and sit down

47
00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.599
and talk to him once a year. So it's interesting

48
00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:20.560
that God arranged it because this was actually a lunch

49
00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.080
I canceled. I was going to talk to him about

50
00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:27.080
starting a grief support ministry and then this whole podcast

51
00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:28.599
thing with you and I came up. And I had

52
00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.240
emailed him and said, I think I'm meant to do

53
00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:32.639
this and I can't do it all right now because

54
00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:35.960
I'm moving and I'm starting a new job. And he said, no,

55
00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.800
I definitely feel your call to media and it's great

56
00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:42.319
that you're discerning that. And I had even said, so

57
00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.159
we don't have to meet for lunch, I know how

58
00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.400
busy you are, and he was like, no, let's go

59
00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.400
ahead and still do it. So it got delayed a month,

60
00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.800
but you know, God's timing, so I ended up meeting

61
00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.159
with him. He took me to lunch. Actually I tried

62
00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:57.599
to pay for it and he wouldn't let me. And

63
00:02:57.680 --> 00:02:59.639
it was just like I felt Jesus just really coming

64
00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.360
to me through him and blessing me before I'm about

65
00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:05.199
to have to make this big move in two days,

66
00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:09.560
you know, leave my home. And it's just like it's

67
00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.360
the best of times and it's the worst of times.

68
00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.280
I keep saying that because it's like such a deep

69
00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.479
pain and sorrow. It's even you know, it feels like

70
00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.879
it even feels like I'm losing my dog all over again, Tiko,

71
00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.120
who I had here for ten years, and you know,

72
00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.039
I put him down on He was on the front

73
00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.360
porch and I have this little wind chimes that someone

74
00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.639
gave me to commemorate him. And I was in the

75
00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:31.919
yard and I was just remembering when when we first

76
00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.919
moved in, how he would be running through the yard

77
00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:36.280
with a stick in his mouth, and how my husband

78
00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.039
sent me a picture that said Tiko's place and had

79
00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.400
a little picture of Tiko. And it's just like, I

80
00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.639
don't know, it's just like I'm leaving behind such a

81
00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.719
huge part of my life and it's really sad. But

82
00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.400
I definitely feel that God is calling me to do it,

83
00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.039
and He's put so much just like lunch with father

84
00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.639
or Fi happening right now, and everything I need kind

85
00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.560
of just magically showing up. Like I was thinking I

86
00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:02.439
need box. My neighbor's like, hey, I left you boxes

87
00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.120
on your front. Everything I need I don't even have

88
00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.080
to go get it. It's just like it's coming to me,

89
00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:12.879
and that's cool. And then so father, fine, I We

90
00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:16.120
have this conversation that goes from I can't even tell

91
00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.160
you we fit like six months of a conversation into

92
00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:22.759
an hour, and he's really big into Lord of the

93
00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:24.759
Rings and like he even wants me to get a

94
00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:26.759
group together, and he said he'd come over every Monday,

95
00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:28.800
and he's like, there's nothing that would excite me more.

96
00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.160
He's like, get two or three people together if you can,

97
00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:33.160
but do it on a Monday because that's my day off,

98
00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.199
and I'll come over and we'll like, nothing would excite

99
00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:37.600
me more than two. He goes, He's funny because he's like,

100
00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.079
do you want to hear this? Because I could really

101
00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.319
geek out on bord of He goes, if you don't

102
00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:43.199
really want to hear it, I won't say it. But

103
00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:44.480
I'm like, no, I want to hear it because I

104
00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.439
kind of I was like, well, what's it really even about?

105
00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:48.639
Because I never read the books or saw any of

106
00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:50.279
the movies. And he was like, okay, well, if you

107
00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.199
really want me to tell you, and then he spent

108
00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.439
you know, the next twenty minutes saying if there's nothing

109
00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.800
that would make him happier than getting a little watch

110
00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:59.639
party together, and he could see it through our eyes

111
00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.160
people that hadn't seen it or experienced it before.

112
00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:04.160
Right, geek out?

113
00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:06.800
Yeah, he could geek out. So he tells me the

114
00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:08.879
whole theme of it, and I guess what I want

115
00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:10.920
to say. There's so much to say. We couldn't even

116
00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.759
fit it in a whole episode. But because there's just

117
00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:15.959
like there's so many miracles, and I think magic that

118
00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.160
happens when when I'm giving the grace to have one

119
00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.000
on one time with him, because he is such a

120
00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.360
holy priest, and that's the miracle of holy priests. You know,

121
00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.839
the world needs more of them. But I took a walk,

122
00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.000
so I took a break from all my emergency responder

123
00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:33.920
cardiac arrest How do you administer CPR videos I'm having

124
00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.480
to watch right now. And I was like before this,

125
00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:38.480
before we were doing the podcast, so like I need

126
00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:40.720
to take a walk and process just everything that me

127
00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.199
and Father Fi had talked about. And I'm thinking about

128
00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.279
Lord of the Rings and I'm walking and I'm thinking

129
00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.680
about my life and everything I'm going through, and this

130
00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:50.759
is what came to me. And I'll just say this.

131
00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:52.600
Before I know we were going to talk about like

132
00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.920
these thirteen graces of suffering. But this kind of leads

133
00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:00.240
into it because what God starts speaking to me, it's

134
00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.240
just cool. Help Father File was saying, well, when you

135
00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.319
have prophetic gifts, you can see an interconnection in a

136
00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:10.079
deeper kind of story behind everything is. So I know

137
00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.360
on the Lord of the Rings, the rings represent the

138
00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.279
dark side of humanity. At least that's what he was

139
00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.319
telling me. I don't know because I haven't watched it,

140
00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.160
but God star speaking to me about the marriage ring

141
00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.519
and marriage and how powerful marriage is. And that's and

142
00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.600
every sacrament that he's in. You know, it's a sacrament,

143
00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:29.600
and it's called a sacrament because it's sacred, and if

144
00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.920
he's involved in it, there's enormous power and we overlook

145
00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.920
that power. And he started just like breaking down marriage.

146
00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:38.560
So I just want to do that for our listeners

147
00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.000
because I'm living it and this could help some people.

148
00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.920
It's very simple, but it's not easy, and I think

149
00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.839
that's the whole spiritual journey. It's very simple, but it's

150
00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:51.560
not easy. And so marriage, this is what God was

151
00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:53.439
just saying on my walk. And I only have the

152
00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:55.680
grace of I think because I had lunch with Father

153
00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.720
five of getting it like this, but we get this

154
00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.120
like fairy tale or Disney version. We think what marriage

155
00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.120
is supposed to be all love and happiness and blah

156
00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.199
blah blah. And it's what marriage actually is is a

157
00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.439
deep inner healing to make us holy. And so when

158
00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.319
two people come together what real love does, and it

159
00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.959
can only be real love through the sacra, through the

160
00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:19.920
sacrament of marriage, because Christ is involved. And if Christ

161
00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.120
isn't involved, it's not real love obviously, because love comes

162
00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.040
from Him, and you can't have the grace of real love,

163
00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.839
which is suffering, without him being involved. But anyway, so

164
00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.040
when he's involved, love opens up our wounds. And here's

165
00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.600
the breakdown of it. What he gave me. Love opens

166
00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:39.439
up our wounds. Real love does that because God can't

167
00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.480
really get in there and heal them until they're opened up.

168
00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.199
And what most people mistakenly do when we start getting

169
00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:49.759
our wounds opened and triggered by love, it's painful. In

170
00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.160
order to heal it, we're going to have to have

171
00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.000
the courage to feel the pain and to God into it.

172
00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.600
And our spouse already has the grace because of the sacrament,

173
00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:00.839
to walk through the pain with us, to walk through

174
00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.800
the fire with us and to hold that pain with

175
00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:06.279
us and to help us. And that's the beauty and

176
00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.560
the magic of marriage. But what we do a lot

177
00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.240
of times instead of instead of being having the courage

178
00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.879
to walk through the fire together and to be vulnerable

179
00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.879
enough and courageous enough to face those wounds and invite

180
00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.600
God in and say, okay, because we're all broken and

181
00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.360
we all have wounds, and we all need healing in

182
00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:25.360
certain ways, and love is going to expose that and

183
00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.639
trigger that. And what people sometimes do is they get

184
00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.600
scared instead of walking through the fire, at the first

185
00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.799
sign of a little heat or a flame, they immediately

186
00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:36.919
want to jump ship and run the other direction. And

187
00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.919
they think, oh, you're causing me pains. I need to

188
00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.200
get away from you. I'll just get divorced, get rid

189
00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.120
of you, and then my problems are solved. And no,

190
00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.600
you still have your wounds, you still need healing, and

191
00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.600
you miss the opportunity, this powerful opportunity that God was

192
00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.720
giving you in marriage to actually get those wounds healed

193
00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:57.200
through the sacrament of marriage. And yes, He can still

194
00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.720
heal them if you're on your own and dealing with God.

195
00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:02.159
But the beauty of marriages. He was giving you somebody

196
00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:05.240
that had the grace to walk through the fire with you,

197
00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.279
and you would do it for them to you know,

198
00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.480
it's mutual, and actually help each other heal that and

199
00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.159
become holy. And of course you're going to have to

200
00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.559
go through spiritual warfare because if you were to actually

201
00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:18.720
heal and use that power of God's giving you in

202
00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:20.879
marriage to heal your wounds and would come holy, then

203
00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.960
you would be this powerhouse couple building up the Kingdom

204
00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.360
of God. And Satan doesn't want that. So you know,

205
00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.519
part of marriage is you are going to deal with

206
00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.919
a lot of spiritual warfare too, And I think that's

207
00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:34.360
important for people to understand.

208
00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:35.919
Yeah, that's it.

209
00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:37.840
That's basically what I got on my Lord of the

210
00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:39.679
Rings discussion with Fotherfy at lunch.

211
00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:44.679
Well, you're right, it does segue into it. This is

212
00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.080
more just kind of like introspective kind of fun and

213
00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.159
all that kind of stuff, because like you're talking about

214
00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.200
throughout the New and Old Testament, throughout the whole Bible,

215
00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:55.200
it talks about people they're going to have to go

216
00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.600
through tests in God, and a lot of people they

217
00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.080
think they're being tested because they're being punished, or they

218
00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.559
think they're being tested because it's all satan. They don't

219
00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:04.960
really realize sometimes they're being tested because God's using them

220
00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.159
to try and make them grow them stronger and spiritually

221
00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.919
in all aspects of their life. So this guy, Joseph Materia,

222
00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.360
he came up a thirteen tests that he thinks every

223
00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:16.840
Jesus follow you know, he's going to have to face

224
00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.480
and pass during their lifetime. So I guess, so all

225
00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:21.440
these tests, I guess the whole thing is when you

226
00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:23.279
hit when these tests, just pass it the first time,

227
00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.600
then you don't have to take it again, right, right?

228
00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.200
If only it were that easy. Like I said, it's simple,

229
00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:29.039
but not easy.

230
00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:31.440
Okay, So as we go to see how we do

231
00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:32.320
on these tests.

232
00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.240
Here, Yeah, let's see what you got.

233
00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.679
Good? What about the test of lack? I mean, how

234
00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.480
do you act around God because your faith challenged or

235
00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.360
anything when resources are scarce?

236
00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:47.960
Absolutely, I think that that's a cool test that he

237
00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.159
wants us to rely on him and sometimes he'll take

238
00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.159
resources away to prove to us that we can rely

239
00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:56.279
on him and that He will show up for us.

240
00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:59.080
And well, my perfect example is like I don't haven't

241
00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.720
had health insurance for four months. And the last time

242
00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.519
my cat bit me, I went to the clinic and

243
00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.080
got a shot and got antibiotics. And because cat bites

244
00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.159
can be bad, this time I had a lack of

245
00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.759
health insurance, so I was forced to go, God, what

246
00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:12.799
do you want me to do? Can't go to the clinic.

247
00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:15.919
And he literally I heard him say, call Teresa and

248
00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.960
do whatever she says. And then I was telling Father,

249
00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.960
pry this too. It was like, she sends me this

250
00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.759
text of this piece of paper that says here's how

251
00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:27.759
he'll skin infections. And it's incredibly useful. And I thought, oh,

252
00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:32.000
this is hippie dippy stuff. But I did it and

253
00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.519
it's like hot water, cold water. Then you put a

254
00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:37.559
graded potato on it. I did it three times and

255
00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.320
it worked. It actually worked.

256
00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:44.759
Well, there you go. Yeah, the potato test a potato test.

257
00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:46.960
But yeah, I mean, in lack, I think God's wanting

258
00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:48.120
us to rely on him more.

259
00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:51.679
Right now, we're only on the first test. But I'm

260
00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.440
wondering though on some of these tests there'd be totally

261
00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.200
different in different phases of life, like the test of lack.

262
00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.879
Now you're getting ready to move, I bet moving now.

263
00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.919
It's a lot different than when you were twenty thirty

264
00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:03.639
years ago, when you were you know what you.

265
00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:05.879
Explain right right? Like I said, I was going to

266
00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.440
be without like my furniture delivery for a week, and

267
00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.200
I was thinking, when I moved here at twenty one,

268
00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:12.840
it was kind of fun to sit on the floor.

269
00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:14.759
My TV was on a box, and I didn't care

270
00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.759
that I didn't have the money for a couch, and

271
00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:18.559
I just waited till I could afford it. And now

272
00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.279
I'm going, gosh, I wish my furniture gere soon.

273
00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:25.519
Yeah, it's kind of funny because you can handle the

274
00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.639
lock easier when you're twenty, but you probably still trust

275
00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:29.919
God more when you're fifty. Though.

276
00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.639
That's true, that's true. My faith is much stronger now.

277
00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.279
But I think that's like you said on one of

278
00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.000
the shows, like God's breaking me out of my comfort zone.

279
00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:41.879
We get comfortable, and he doesn't want us to really

280
00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.159
get comfortable, because we stopped growing when we're comfortable. So

281
00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.039
when you're young, you're kind of used to not being comfortable.

282
00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:49.799
You haven't really had a chance to get comfortable, so

283
00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:51.639
you can adapt a little easier.

284
00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.639
Okay, the next test is the test of suffering. That

285
00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.879
one really sucks for that's but that's one that you

286
00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:00.480
definitely have to go through, and you definitely have to

287
00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.759
to pass because I mean that's a big one. That's

288
00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.879
kind of like going because basically that's one of those

289
00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:08.519
big ones when your faith doesn't waiver. Then he passed

290
00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:08.919
that one.

291
00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:10.639
Yeah, and you just went through a lot of suffering

292
00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:12.159
with the loss of your mom and taking care of

293
00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.240
her and and I mean loss is stuff, and we

294
00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.559
all go through death and loss. That's that's a lot

295
00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:18.120
of suffering.

296
00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.840
Yeah, and it's that once again, I think we'll just

297
00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.559
stick with us. We're not our old us when we

298
00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.519
were younger. So yeah, now you're just kind of like, Okay,

299
00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.399
I know this is part of life. I know it's

300
00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:36.200
going to get better, and I'm not going to falter

301
00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.360
as much as I would have. I guess it's not age.

302
00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:40.840
It has to do with your spiritual growth though. I mean,

303
00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:44.559
if as long as you are really you firmly believe,

304
00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:46.240
it makes it a lot easier to go through suffering.

305
00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.399
Yeah. And what God's shown me is that your your

306
00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:51.840
prayers are a lot more powerful and have more merit

307
00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:54.279
when you're suffering. I've learned that from listening to some

308
00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.759
it's formation to like listening to Father Ripperger talk. He's

309
00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.960
an exorcist that does a lot of very intellectual and

310
00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.440
scholarly and he just talks about like when you have

311
00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:06.519
merit and you really suffered. All the saints you know,

312
00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:07.840
had a lot of merit because they had a lot

313
00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.279
of suffering, and you do notice that God shows stuff

314
00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:13.919
for you and your prayers are answered very quickly. I

315
00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.080
have found when you're suffering, right.

316
00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.080
All right, the test of praise, Now, can you accept

317
00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.440
accolades and applause and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,

318
00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.840
without letting them go to your head. That's kind of important.

319
00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.480
It is important. Yeah, I think I don't think that's

320
00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.080
a stumbling block for me personally. It might have been

321
00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.279
when I was younger, not now. I've been through enough

322
00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.759
suffering that I'm like, you know, walk up in the

323
00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:36.919
middle of the night the other night to go to

324
00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:38.639
the bathroom. And I don't know why I said this.

325
00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.840
I think I said it out loud. I just said,

326
00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:45.120
I am dust. I'm like, I felt the weight of

327
00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:49.039
my humility, like I am nothing. I mean, without Christ,

328
00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:53.200
we're all nothing. That's a good place to be. I

329
00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:54.600
finally think I've gotten.

330
00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.799
There, right, And I think in that one too, where

331
00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.759
it gets dangerous is you have had success and your

332
00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.200
in your applause and your accolades and all that kind

333
00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.399
of stuff. Then are you seeking the accolades more? Or

334
00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.759
are you still after God's approval? I mean, are you

335
00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:10.600
pushing God away me just because you just left her?

336
00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:12.759
I mean even if you did a charitabac, let's see

337
00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.879
somebody you helped a homeless person, you know, or you

338
00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.639
built the homely shelter, okay like that, Oh you're so good.

339
00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:21.519
Look at this homeless shelter you built and all this

340
00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.279
kind of stuff that you did. Good. So I'm going

341
00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:25.440
to build another homely shelter. But you're not building because

342
00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:26.960
God to all the other day. You're doing it because

343
00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.360
you want all those out of boyds, right right.

344
00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:31.320
I just think about Mother Teresa and how she always

345
00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.679
refused to do interviews and she didn't want any attention

346
00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.600
on herself, and she would always say, because I think

347
00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.559
it's so important that we do have to continue to

348
00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.159
ask God what he wants us to do, and we're

349
00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.600
not doing checking our motives, that we're not doing it

350
00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.480
for the wrong reasons, and you know she would she said,

351
00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.759
I'm just the pencil and he's the hand that moves me.

352
00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.399
And she did. She, you know, worked tirelessly for God.

353
00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:55.559
She gave herself no credit whatsoever.

354
00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:00.279
A I was writing on my daily podcast was talking

355
00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:02.759
about her other day came across another fact that after

356
00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.000
she died, and you know, she was being prepped and

357
00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.720
all that kind of stuff, they noticed her feet. You know.

358
00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:09.840
Of course, when you saw videos, you said, well, that's

359
00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:11.600
just because she's eighty years old. He's walking like that.

360
00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.879
Her feet were all messed up because she would constantly

361
00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:17.399
when the donations had come in, she would constantly take

362
00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.000
the worst shoes out and if the shoes were worse

363
00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.039
in the back, then she'd put her shoes back in there.

364
00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:23.759
She always made sure that she had the worst shoes

365
00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.120
that were going out to everybody.

366
00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.799
I know what a saint. I mean. I can't even

367
00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:31.360
her level of humility. I don't think it's it's just

368
00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:36.000
it's extreme. I'm not very I'm not on that level

369
00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:36.559
for sure.

370
00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:39.679
Okay, this next test I want to be tested on.

371
00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.799
I want God bringing on. It's the test of affluence.

372
00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:49.240
Can you right? Can you be good? With God. When

373
00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.480
he gives you wealth, can you handle it without corrupting

374
00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.720
your soul? I want bring it on. Give me all

375
00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.120
the money you want. I'll show you. I think I

376
00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:55.919
can pass that one.

377
00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:58.559
I think I could too, because I've lived without it

378
00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:00.840
for so long. But I don't know. No, we have to.

379
00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.039
I think we always have to be careful because Satan's

380
00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.960
so tricky. But yeah, I would like that test too.

381
00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.319
I would like that test. It's like, I promise I'll

382
00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:12.960
give like thirty percent to Saint Jude's every month.

383
00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.039
Well, and it would be a lot of cause there isn't.

384
00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.400
It right, it would. I could do a lot of

385
00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:19.200
good with that money.

386
00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.680
But yeah, God's listening here. I don't want to get

387
00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.480
to heaven and then say, hey, I never got my

388
00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:25.200
test of wealth.

389
00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.119
Yeah that's what I want mine being tested on as well.

390
00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.680
This is when you're good with though test a spiritual warfare.

391
00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.839
No Lord, Yes, yeah, I've had. I feel like I'm an.

392
00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.440
I feel like I should be promoted to general now

393
00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.519
in the army for Mary. Yeah, that's a lot, you know,

394
00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.240
Like I always tell us, we even have to pray

395
00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.200
before we start this podcast, or the computer is going

396
00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.240
to mess up and it's going to go down, and

397
00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:54.759
it's just it's it's constant. But I guess that's good.

398
00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.160
Someone said that if you're not, if you're not you know,

399
00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.440
being attacked, and you're not, you're not playing for the

400
00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:00.920
right team exactly, And.

401
00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:02.680
I think I think a lot of that one too, though,

402
00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.200
is you have to recognize, you know, what you're up

403
00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.200
against too, you know, because I mean it can come

404
00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:10.279
at you in different ways. Because I think a lot

405
00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.039
of these well what would you call pop culture trends

406
00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.440
or something, you know, like got don't we don't want

407
00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:18.920
to get a contra transgender and that kind of stuff

408
00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.680
where people, oh, you know, we're being really nice to

409
00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:24.640
these people and you're being mean if you don't believe

410
00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.200
in them, Well then then if you don't stand for

411
00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.839
what you believe, then you're you're losing the spirits or

412
00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:32.400
what the devil got you. From a different angle, the ediency.

413
00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:36.839
Coming right, compromise, Yeah, like what Jesus told us, we

414
00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.160
can't compromise our beliefs, Like we have to speak the

415
00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:41.880
truth and love. You don't need to you're not supposed

416
00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.799
to judge people, but but yeah, like you have to

417
00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.200
speak the truth, and I actually did that. I worked

418
00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.960
with the gay guy in the last job I had,

419
00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.599
and it was difficult, but I think I did pass

420
00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.720
that test. You know. I prayed for him. I loved him.

421
00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.680
I told him I prayed for him. I never said outright,

422
00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.440
I don't agree with your lifestyle or you need to

423
00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.880
change something, but I just tried to live. I tried

424
00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.279
to live, you know, as an example. And then one

425
00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:10.319
time he did kind of talk about it. He said

426
00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:13.039
he had a dream that his house burned down, and

427
00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:15.480
he was like, Stephanie, what he didn't actually he said

428
00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:17.519
what do you think that meant? And he was asking

429
00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.000
three of us, not just me. He was like, what

430
00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.920
do you think that meant? And I said, well, since

431
00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.359
you're asking, because you know, I don't think we should

432
00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.880
just I don't think we're called to just like bombard

433
00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:31.079
people with our opinion if they're not asking. But I said,

434
00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.960
I think since you're asking, and I said, I love

435
00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.000
you enough to tell you the truth. I started with that.

436
00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:37.720
I said, I love you enough to tell you the truth.

437
00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.000
But I think we're entering a season where you're going

438
00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.079
to see everything that's not built on Christ is going

439
00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:44.200
to be burnt down in your house that you're living

440
00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:46.640
in right now is not built on Christ. I said it.

441
00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.640
He kind of ignored me. He ignored it and went

442
00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.759
on with this day. But you know, we still talk

443
00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:54.759
and we're still friends. So like we made it through that, right, And.

444
00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.160
I was kind of thinking about for me it kind

445
00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.559
of the one that kind of cavers is abortion, because

446
00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.319
you know the Hollywood and all that you know there,

447
00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:05.599
How can you not even think abortions?

448
00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:05.759
Right?

449
00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:07.960
And so I think a lot of young guys and girls,

450
00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.480
you know, just to fit in. Yeah, I think abortion

451
00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:14.319
should be I hate this one. I disagree with it,

452
00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.160
but I think it should be legal. I think that's

453
00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.079
the biggest cop out you can possibly do. If it's

454
00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:20.759
not right, why would you think it should be legal?

455
00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.440
It's crazy now, I will I had did stand up

456
00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:24.920
for that one at my last job, but to the

457
00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:27.160
point where I got in a heated argument with the

458
00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.440
girl and I was like, she goes, I just want

459
00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:32.160
and it ended with and it was it was wild.

460
00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.319
I felt the Holy Spirit come down and like put

461
00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.319
peace back between us because we had to work together.

462
00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.880
And God is so good because I said up for

463
00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.079
the truth that she goes, I just want young women

464
00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.279
to have a choice. I said, I just want five

465
00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:46.680
thousand babies a day not to be killed, or I

466
00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:48.960
had the actual right figure in my head at the time,

467
00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.480
I can't remember. I had just seen it at the

468
00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:53.839
Dominican campus because they'll put signs out, you know. But

469
00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:55.359
she was like, I just want young women to have

470
00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:57.119
a choice and to have their freedom. And I said,

471
00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:59.240
I just want five thousand babies a day not to

472
00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.400
be murdered. And then it was a silence and we

473
00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:02.920
went back to peace, and I was.

474
00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:05.440
Like, well, this one kind of follows that one. The

475
00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:09.359
test of persecution. You still, you know, give God all

476
00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:11.880
his credits even if you're getting your butt kicked for it.

477
00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:13.079
That one is hard.

478
00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:17.079
That one's really hard. Yeah, it's sitting there doing okay, Like, well,

479
00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:19.640
let's just say that that you and that girl were

480
00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:23.559
getting into it and your supervisor walked in and she

481
00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.680
cited on that girl side, and then you got fired.

482
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.599
Actually that did happen to me. It wasn't because of

483
00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.480
that incident, but yeah, it was. It was because of

484
00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.359
who I was and standing up for Christ that I

485
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.200
did get singled out and written up, and that's why

486
00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:40.440
I left that job. So yeah, I do know what

487
00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:41.400
persecution is like.

488
00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.000
And then and when we think about it's like what

489
00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.759
you you went through there that just actually lose your job,

490
00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:49.640
that some of these people and other places around the

491
00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:53.119
world you talk about being persecuted for Jesus Man, they really.

492
00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:57.279
Have right to actually be killed, yeah.

493
00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.240
Or even named or you know anything.

494
00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:01.119
You know, it's kind of like you, I know what

495
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:03.319
you were saying another day, the news never talks about it,

496
00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:05.640
and like how many people died in Rwanda or it

497
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:07.680
was something like that, how many Christians were dying?

498
00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:11.680
Well, just the other day they came out in Uganda

499
00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:14.480
they had one hundred and eighty Christians who were just killed.

500
00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.039
And it never got on any national wire service anywhere.

501
00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.039
Nobody ever figured it out at all. The Sudan they've

502
00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:24.640
gotten some killed again, and I think not Ethiopia and

503
00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.200
the other one Atrida they just had another massacre of

504
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:28.079
Christians there too.

505
00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:29.039
Wow.

506
00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:31.720
And so that's persecution because not to think about it

507
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.119
here in the United States, like sadly, when we're doing this,

508
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.440
we just found out that some Catholics got shot up

509
00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:39.799
in at school up in Minnesota. Now that's you think

510
00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:42.079
how bad that is? But that'll make the news. Some

511
00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.359
of these other poor people, they're just being slaughtered out

512
00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:46.200
in these small villages and no one even hears about

513
00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:47.480
what they're going what they're dying for.

514
00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:50.720
Yeah, they don't, but you know, God, God knows. And

515
00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:54.480
as I'm moving, you know, it's like throwing away a

516
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.720
lot of stuff and even like stuff from my parents,

517
00:22:57.119 --> 00:22:59.160
and it's like, what does it even matter? Like our

518
00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:01.920
life is and you know what the Bible says, it'll

519
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.000
be withered like the grass here today, gone tomorrow. With

520
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.519
all the stuff we accumulate, none of it really matters.

521
00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:09.640
All that really matters at the end of the day

522
00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:12.559
is I think, did you love and did you really

523
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.279
try to bring the lot of Christ throw you into

524
00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:15.759
the world.

525
00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:17.960
You know, this next one might hurt the most, the

526
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.480
test of betrayal. Oh yeah, that one hurts a lot.

527
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.200
That one hurts a lot. I think that's the most

528
00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:28.599
painful thing that you can actually go through. And Christ

529
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:29.039
went through it.

530
00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:34.160
Too, right well, I mean, of course, with Judas, I

531
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.000
don't think people I don't know. With Peter, you know

532
00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.559
what I'm saying, You're going to deny me, you know

533
00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:41.000
you're going to do it. And of course Peter did,

534
00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.200
and but you never really since he knew that was coming,

535
00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:45.400
did it really hurt.

536
00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.359
It's like I think, you know, I just listened to

537
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:51.960
something talking about how much it hurt. It hurt Jesus

538
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.519
for Peter because Peter walked with him. And it's like

539
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.119
when when the when somebody that you that's supposed to

540
00:23:58.119 --> 00:23:59.759
be your friend, that you know and that you love,

541
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.160
that you that you're walking alongside, betrays you. It's indifferent

542
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.720
than just somebody who you kind of never trusted, you know,

543
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.279
like he's somebody who was supposed to love you betrays you.

544
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:12.880
Then that that does really hurt.

545
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.799
I think one of the biggest betrayals, well, Judas would

546
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:17.640
be the biggest betrayal in probably world history, I would

547
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.880
have to think. But I think number two it might

548
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.559
be Daniel with his son, you know, trying to take

549
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.519
his dad's throne. That was a pretty bad one.

550
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.480
Yeah, to do that to your own father, Yeah, and

551
00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:30.720
he did. Well. I'll share a little thing that you know,

552
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:32.160
one day I was crying my eyes out in the

553
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.400
in the Adoration chapel about just everything going on in

554
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:37.720
my life, and Jesus put me in my place, and

555
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:39.799
I loved. I love how he does that. He said,

556
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.720
how do you think I felt, Stephanie, how do you

557
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:45.799
think I felt? I gave my life? I suffered all this?

558
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.519
And yeah, I know what. I know what rejection feels like.

559
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:51.519
I know what betrayal feels like. Like he took it

560
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.799
all on. We've all even even you know, you and

561
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:58.240
I everybody, We've all rejected him at some point in

562
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:02.000
our life. We've all betrayed him. And he was, you know,

563
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.759
all loving and perfect and didn't deserve it, right.

564
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:06.640
You know this is a total side. Do you want

565
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.200
to go? Do you carefully swerve a little?

566
00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:08.720
No?

567
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.000
This is one of the coolest stories I think I've

568
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:16.160
ever heard. It was a man, It was the black

569
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.759
guy up in Chicago, and he had been doing that,

570
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.240
working to do everything to try and keep his son

571
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.160
and his family intact in a really bad neighborhood up there.

572
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.960
Well as son ended up getting shot in the drive

573
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.160
by shooting. And I think this is just gonna I

574
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.640
don't know, I don't know anyway. So he was in

575
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.240
church and he was mad at God, which I think

576
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.640
it's okay to be mad at God. That proves that

577
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.599
you love him. He was mad at God, and he said, God,

578
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:45.000
where were you when my kid got killed? And he said, fame,

579
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.559
same place I was when mine was killed. Oh wow,

580
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.200
I thought, Wow, that's a pretty deep concept kind of

581
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.519
what you said. How Jesus you know? God, you know?

582
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.599
And and and that's the glory of Mary, you know.

583
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:58.720
And Protestants don't get. While we love Mary so much,

584
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.160
she lost her husban. She knew from the moment she

585
00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.599
accepted the angel's request that her son was going to

586
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:07.720
be beating and bruised and killed for our sins. And

587
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.680
she she said, yes, I'll do it. Her loyalty to

588
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.880
God never wavered. She knew the suffering she was taken on,

589
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.000
and she had to watch her son be brutally murdered

590
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:18.880
and killed for our sake. And so yeah, there's no

591
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.160
suffering that we go through that Mary hasn't been through

592
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:24.279
as well. That's why she's such a good mother.

593
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:28.599
Now, this one's a tough one, but not like okay,

594
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.720
that test of delayed answers to prayers.

595
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.240
That is a hard one too. Yeah, that is a

596
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.599
hard one because you don't you don't get your prayers

597
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.720
answer right away. Sometimes God will tell you something in it,

598
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:43.200
maybe years before he actually.

599
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:44.920
You know, and that's why throughout the Bible of the

600
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.799
numerous times when God was taken too long, somebody else

601
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:49.799
tried to just do God's job for him and it

602
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:53.400
never turned out. Well wow, so yeah, you go back

603
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:58.039
to Abraham and Sarah.

604
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:01.599
Yeah, it pays to have patience, which is a hard

605
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.599
lesson to line. That's a hard virtue to get anyway.

606
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.480
I think I'm not the most patient person, but I'm learning.

607
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.559
And that's that's another one. Like you said, you know,

608
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.720
patient and persistence. Okay, so let's say that you're praying

609
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.279
for something. We'll make it superficial. God didn't need a car.

610
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:19.839
I'm tried to taking the bus, you know, give me

611
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:21.400
a car. I need a car guard. Let me figure

612
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.079
out how to go. Well, you ask God for a

613
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.720
car for a month every day I went with then

614
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.599
you stop. You know, well why would he then give

615
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.480
you the car? You know, I mean this is pretty simplistic,

616
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:33.960
but I'm just trying to you know, you got to

617
00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.200
keep that in God. You know, you know, you can't

618
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:37.640
just stop.

619
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.000
No, you can't stop. And He's shown me he doesn't

620
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.559
allow me to stop praying for things that he's put

621
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.000
He knew like that there was a there's a Bible

622
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.039
verse that talks about like the desires of your heart.

623
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:50.920
He gives you the desires of your heart, and he

624
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:52.359
wouldn't give them to you if he didn't want to

625
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.240
fulfill it. So if it's truly a desire from God,

626
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.799
he's going to fulfill it. You just got to keep,

627
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.519
like you said, persistent, patience, and when he thinks you're ready,

628
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.680
not when you think you're ready. When he thinks you're ready,

629
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:05.200
he'll give it to you. Well.

630
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:06.920
And the reason I think that you need to be

631
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.920
persistent when you read the Bible, do you sometimes in

632
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.359
your head is when you're hearing the story, do you

633
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.400
kind of in your head create character of what the

634
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.960
people look like. So there's the story of this old

635
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.319
woman and she goes to this judge every day and

636
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.640
she wants I don't remember what she's even after, and

637
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:27.319
she's like going, he asks this judge against some neighbor

638
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:29.720
or something. She's asking a judge for something. Judge is like,

639
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:31.519
I'm not giving it to you. Judge is like, and

640
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.680
she does this for a long time, every single day.

641
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:36.079
So finally the judge just says, all right, I'm giving

642
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:37.799
it to you. I'm tired of hearing it, you know,

643
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.799
and then it's all yours, take.

644
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.480
It right and leave me alone, right.

645
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.279
And Jesus kind of says, well, if that's all she got,

646
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:50.440
just imagine what your father would give you if you

647
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:54.000
keep asking him, right. And so I think it's kind

648
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.920
of as a human being, you get tired of somebody

649
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.240
keep asking you. But God he might use it to

650
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.640
kind of like, Okay, you said your personally, you earned it,

651
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.079
and I'll.

652
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.920
Give it to you, know exactly. Yeah, perseverance is a

653
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:08.240
great virtue to ask for.

654
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.720
Lack of affirmation Now that one is kind of under

655
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.039
the radar one. You know. It's when people don't realize

656
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.079
what you're doing. You know, are you still keeping it?

657
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.599
Nobody knows what if you're going and you're cleaning the

658
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.720
church every day or twice a week, let's say you're

659
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.319
going in, you're cleaning the bathrooms and all this kind

660
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.160
of stuff, and no one knows about it. You know,

661
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.559
after about six months, do you want somebody to just say, hey,

662
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.440
step you're doing a great job man, or do you

663
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.480
just kind of nobody cares? Why am I doing this?

664
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.519
I have seen myself grow out of that. I used

665
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.839
to be that why, like you said, and you know

666
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.799
I did. It's working for the church. There were times

667
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.000
that I would go do things that I was trying

668
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.400
to offer up to God, just like use this for

669
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.400
some you know, somebody suffering or whatever, and not want

670
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.240
any credit or anyone to see that I had done something.

671
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.599
But then you do do It's just I think of

672
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.480
spiritual worker. The devil gets in your head and go,

673
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.599
you're working so hard, nobody cares, nobody acknowledges you, and

674
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.160
everybody takes you for granted. I mean, it's just those

675
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.319
lies that you got to watch out for. But I

676
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.839
don't know, I think that's the that's the refining fire

677
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.880
of suffering. I think once you suffer to a certain degree,

678
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.359
you do learn that when you offer things up and

679
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.200
you do them in secret, if your Father in heaven

680
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:26.400
sees you and he does bless you, and you do

681
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:28.079
get to the point where that's really all you care

682
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.759
about if you keep at it, which, like you said,

683
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.319
persistence is the key there.

684
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.720
Right, And I only you do have to believe that, Okay,

685
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.079
nobody knows what I'm doing here. Well, one person does know,

686
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.079
and he at some point you will be recognized for it.

687
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.519
Yeah, God knows, and like he'll show me, he sees me,

688
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.640
and he'll he'll bring little things that happen, and it's

689
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.400
like it's like even today something happened. I wanted to tell.

690
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.519
It's like I think I almost texted you and I

691
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.640
was like, oh my gosh, like this happened. It was

692
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.640
so miraculous. And then God's like some things can just

693
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.319
be between us, Stephanie, like like I did this for you.

694
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.480
You don't have to tell anybody the minute. You know,

695
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.079
Like sometimes I need to learn just to like accept

696
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:09.920
some of His goodness and I don't have to always

697
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:10.599
tell everybody.

698
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.240
Yeah, I mean it's not a bad thing because you

699
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.880
are trying. You're not taking credit for it. You want to.

700
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.200
I want everybody to know God's power and God's in

701
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.319
as long as you know, I'm cool. So he didn't, yeh.

702
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.440
Right, So I guess it's just discernment because some things

703
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.000
He does want you just to keep to yourself. But

704
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.279
and but you're right, like we do heal people from

705
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.039
our testimonies and just to let people know how awesome

706
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.440
God is, and yeah, He's good.

707
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:41.240
This one frustrates everybody anybody who loves Jesus and you've

708
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:43.640
gone through this your test of God's silence.

709
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.920
Oh yeah, that's a hard one.

710
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.119
When you go a week or something your are you

711
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.039
still up there? I mean what I'm not feeling you,

712
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.200
I'm not hearing from you. What is going on here?

713
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.559
You know? I have to say that he must think

714
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.680
I'm so weak, and so I'm so saint like and

715
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.200
so weak that he doesn't. He's always showing up for me.

716
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:06.440
Almost I start crying out for like confirmation and consolation,

717
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.759
and I'm almost always get it because I don't think

718
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.279
I could go. I think I would literally fall apart

719
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.039
if I was in the I'm not strong enough. You

720
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.119
see the Saints go through those periods, but I don't

721
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.519
think I'm strong enough to go through that silence. Well,

722
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:20.039
because if I don't hear from him for like a

723
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.000
few hours, I'll be like, have you abandoned me? I mean,

724
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.519
I'm like, have you abandoned me? Are you still there?

725
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:27.960
How can I get through this without you? And then

726
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:28.599
he shows up?

727
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.359
Well, you've read your Bible a lot, so I'm just saying,

728
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.400
and you should know this is coming. Like you said,

729
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.400
the Saints are went throught they did. I know everybody

730
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.039
in the Bible wondered, where are you a God? Yeah,

731
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.079
but nothing could be as bad as Job. And if

732
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:46.319
he was able to do it, I think we can

733
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:46.759
all do it.

734
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:48.799
Yeah, I guess so. But even even he got to

735
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.240
the point where he was like, I'd be better if

736
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.880
I was never born, he was like, God, this is awful.

737
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.039
Not only did he say, but his wife should.

738
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:56.519
Yeah.

739
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.000
It's like when you talk about this damitia between that's

740
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.680
why this guys going through everything and his wife's telling

741
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:02.799
he stupid for believing in.

742
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:06.200
God, right, and people want to skate over his suffering,

743
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.720
Like I don't know, Like, yeah, he did get restored

744
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.759
double everything like his but even if God brought me

745
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.079
the best dog in the world, it wouldn't you know,

746
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.680
he lost all his children, and he did have more children,

747
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.279
but I'm sure he grieved those children. I mean, you

748
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.440
can't replace like I know, if you can give me

749
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:25.720
any dog, this awesome dog, and it would never take

750
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.240
the place of Tiico. I'm gonna miss Tiko till the

751
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.720
day I die, and I still have dreams about him

752
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.920
and every like I just think, like, you know, even

753
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:36.279
though Job got all this stuff, back, he still lived

754
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.119
with a suffering and a grief his whole life.

755
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.000
I'm sure, right, you know this next one I'm pretty

756
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:45.480
good at sometimes with's that one people unconditionally?

757
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.039
Oh good, Yeah, I like that one. I like that

758
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.880
one because I've actually learned how to do that too,

759
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.079
just recently, Like I feel like I've been tested in

760
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.200
it recently. And actually I think betrayal is part of

761
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.359
the process, because how do you know you can love

762
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.000
someone sez he loves some one if they're always like

763
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.880
good to you. But you don't know that you can

764
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:07.880
love someone unconditionally until you've experienced betrayal, I think.

765
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.360
Right, betrayal or not even well. When I always think

766
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.840
about like love your enemy, I always kind of think

767
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.880
of like soldiers, you know, like and war and you

768
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.000
know you're fighting and someone's hurt. It's like and you

769
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:21.280
were just trying to kill me, and I have to

770
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.800
give you water and medical aid, you know, and that

771
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.360
kind of stuff. Right, But it can still be the same.

772
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.960
It can be something simple like you're at work and

773
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.360
you're up and for a promotion against somebody else and

774
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.239
they get the job. You know, it's kind of like

775
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:35.079
can you be happy for them and it really sucks

776
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.880
for me. But okay, congratulations. That's kind of hard, right.

777
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.159
Yeah, it's to love unconditionally too. I think it's it

778
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.519
does require that you're willing to suffer for that person,

779
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.840
because I mean Christ loved us unconditionally and he was

780
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.199
willing to suffer and die for us. So that that's

781
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.920
a hard one. That that's a hard one because I

782
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.320
don't know that I would be willing to suffer for everybody.

783
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.480
Well, this is one that I use to win the argument,

784
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:00.840
but we're not going to going to it out here.

785
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.039
Do you believe love is an emotion or is an action?

786
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:05.880
I believe it's an act of your will.

787
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:07.559
That's right. That's what I think too, because a lot

788
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.840
of people think love is totally and emotional, and I

789
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.360
think love emotions are involved, but love itself is all

790
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.519
in action, you know, like God so loved the world,

791
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.159
he sent his son Jesus, so love is done, you know,

792
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:22.239
And so like you love somebody, it's the actions you

793
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.400
do for the respects you show them. You know, you

794
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.079
can you can be totally in love with somebody, but

795
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.519
you think is emotional. But if you're not gonna do

796
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.239
anything to help them out, Well, then you don't really

797
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:33.119
love them, right.

798
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.800
And emotions come and go. I mean, emotions are up

799
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.199
and down. But when I say an act of your will,

800
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.280
what I mean is it resides in your spirit more

801
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.199
so than your heart or your mind, you know, like

802
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:48.320
it's an act of forgiveness, is an act of your

803
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.159
will too. I've learned that through spiritual warfare you can

804
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.159
you can be still angry at somebody, very hurt by

805
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:58.159
somebody devastated, but you can still say, as an act

806
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.679
of my will, I choose to forget this person.

807
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.559
That is the where I hopeing you were going with

808
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.400
that one, Because in order to love unconditionally, you have

809
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.280
to be able to forgive.

810
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:08.639
You can't do it absolutely.

811
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.920
Yeah, there's no way you can live under conditioning and

812
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.559
not forgive. I mean that's most of the time. That's

813
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.199
I mean, it can like, like we've talked to all

814
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.920
of them, love, un betrayal, all that kind of stuff.

815
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.639
You're going to love unconditionally like Jesus did, and like

816
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.599
God does. You know, you have to forgive and that's

817
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.440
one of the biggest hardest things not to do.

818
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.360
But really it's I think it all comes down to surrender,

819
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.400
because I don't think we can forgive or love unless

820
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.079
we have completely surrendered our will to Jesus and then

821
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.480
he gives you the grace. And it's like without that

822
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.079
grace as humans in a broken world or a fallen world,

823
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:45.119
I don't think we have the ability to love or

824
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.639
forgive really deeply.

825
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.679
Right, And I think people we need to since where

826
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.760
I forgetness O keep people I think get the wrong impression.

827
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:56.880
You know, they think it makes them weak if they

828
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.840
forgive and all that kind of stuff. Now, when you

829
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:03.400
forgive somebody back, if you said you have fired and

830
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.079
that other girl whatever things, Now you forgave that person

831
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.480
who fired you. Now you aren't hoping for her to

832
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.559
get a new car or something.

833
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.920
Yeah, it doesn't mean I like her. I don't have

834
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.559
to like her. Yeah I do not like her. Let

835
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:15.280
me make that clear.

836
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.840
And when you forgive them, it's yeah, okay, I forgive you.

837
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.280
I don't know what your whole story is. God knows,

838
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.800
and that's God's taken care of it. But plus frees

839
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:25.199
you up.

840
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:28.320
It does. And a priest said this one time and

841
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.119
it helped me a lot. He said, forgiveness is really

842
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.440
just you wish them. You wish good for them, you

843
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.159
wish conversion for them, and you don't wish bad things

844
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:38.800
on them. It doesn't mean you have to like them

845
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.519
or want to hang out with them or you know,

846
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.559
go to dinner, but you just you want their conversion.

847
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:45.880
Really is what you want.

848
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.639
And it's like, like we said, to love somebody unconditionally.

849
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.840
I mean it's because there are some people that I

850
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.079
think the hardest part to do if you're going to

851
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.800
actually ant commis night you have to be able to

852
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.920
love people who are unable that they're and they can't

853
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.239
accept love. That they'd be the hardest ones you'd have

854
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:04.960
to do. And I think you've really been in that.

855
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:06.760
Some of these people they can't accept love, and that

856
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:08.440
how do you love them?

857
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.280
Yeah, it's like you just have to love them in

858
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.159
your spirit, I guess and not and you can pray

859
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.360
for them because there's really nothing else they're going to

860
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.559
accept from you. I mean, there's nothing that they're going

861
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:20.320
to accept from you if they can't receive love, like

862
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.119
you said, so you just you can pray for them

863
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.960
and then hopefully they receive that in some way.

864
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.360
Right, And you think about these horrible crimes that are done.

865
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.599
And then lots of times, not a lot of them,

866
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.599
lots of times you'll hear somebody who'll go, Okay, I

867
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.320
forgive them. You know, they like they murdered and murdered

868
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.559
their kid or something like that. In order for me

869
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.559
to move on, I have to forgive them. So basically,

870
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.559
you're loving somebody that's unlovable, you know, it's like this

871
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.880
despicable human being. And so that's actually tougher than I

872
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.360
thought when he first started talking about it.

873
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.079
When yeah, I mean, and I don't think it means

874
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:56.079
that you have to really like them. You can will,

875
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:59.559
they're good, and forgiveness is like a freeing thing for you.

876
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.239
It's just means you're not going to hold onto the

877
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:02.599
pain and the anger anymore.

878
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.199
That's a tough one though, That unconditional love. It's easy

879
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.199
in uh, basically in a social setting or something you know,

880
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:13.239
and a group like pretty much anybody your church or

881
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.039
your work or something like that, you could just yeah, okay,

882
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.119
you know I don't like her, but you know it's

883
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.559
easy for me to unconditionally love you. Just you know,

884
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.800
I hope you're good as a Christian, and God can

885
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:25.960
deal with what a bad person you are, you know,

886
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.159
but right, but when you deal when you throw in

887
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.639
the rest of the world. I mean, you have you're

888
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.599
driving down the street and not even doing anything, and

889
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:34.440
you have somebody cut you off and then flip you off,

890
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.360
and I like that. It's like, you know, I really

891
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.000
have to love them. Look at them their jerks.

892
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.760
I know, I know it's hard to eat. I mean

893
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.719
it helps to realize, like everybody's wounded, and everybody's you know,

894
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.360
reacting from those wounds. But there are some genuinely just

895
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.079
bad people out there that you know, I don't know.

896
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:53.480
I don't think we have to.

897
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.800
I don't know, well, because we already said though it's

898
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.519
not an emotion, so right, you can have like a

899
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:03.000
serial o killer and you don't have to feel anything

900
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.760
good for him. Well, what do you have to do

901
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.079
is love? If it's actually an action. You have to

902
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:09.639
make sure they got food, you have to make sure

903
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.800
they got water. You know, that's basically your act of

904
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.800
love is all your you know, that's pretty much your

905
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:15.280
actor love.

906
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.559
I would say you pray for their conversion because I

907
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.280
can feel that that seems like rational and logical to me,

908
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.159
Like even if it's a serial serial killer, somebody who

909
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.400
molests children. So you know, doing something that you think

910
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.360
is horrible and like, well, you deserve to go to

911
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.480
hell for that, or you kick a dog in mind,

912
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.239
you deserve to go to hell for that. But but

913
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.159
I can say I can love somebody in the way, Well,

914
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:41.159
I pray for your conversion. So I pray for your

915
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:45.239
heart to deeply understand what you've done wrong and change.

916
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.480
Actually, I think that's all it really matters, is if

917
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:49.800
you're even if you're not, if you're not capable. Like

918
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.039
let's say a woman's in an abusive relationship with her

919
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.400
husband and beats her up and all this kind of stuff, Well,

920
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:57.639
as long as she prays for him, I think that's

921
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.280
all God cares about. It's like going, it's going to

922
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.159
help her move on, and she doesn't have to have

923
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:04.000
any contact with him, know nothing. But if she praised,

924
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:05.719
you know, God, please help him know that he did

925
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.199
bad and all that kind of stuff. That's all he

926
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.239
needs to do, right, And.

927
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:10.039
That is love, because all God cares about is the

928
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:11.000
conversion of our heart.

929
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.519
Right. I think this one might be the most personal.

930
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:18.360
What the test of physiological pain? So basically, how do

931
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.480
you glorify God? When your body's failing you, like it's

932
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.400
sick or you're hurt or anything like, you know, when

933
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.599
something's wrong like throw you got a big old cat

934
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.719
fight that gets all infected and it's sore and they're

935
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:33.079
thinking about cutting off your arm. You know, how do

936
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.960
you glorify God when you're going through something like that?

937
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.800
That's a hard one. And well, like we talked about

938
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.280
all in Ice, that guy, that prophet, I'll listen to

939
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.079
that I like a lot. And he was about to

940
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.719
be a professional athlete and now he's in a wheelchair

941
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.880
for ten years and him and said he went through

942
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.280
like a year of depression and suicidal thoughts, but now

943
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.079
he overcame it. Now he's like doing so much for God.

944
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.480
And I think you have to get past the pity party.

945
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.679
And once you get past the pity party, then then

946
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.039
you can finally Even with my situation now, it's like

947
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:04.360
once I got past the pity party, and it still

948
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.199
comes up on me every day. Like I said, I

949
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.760
give myself like five minutes to cry day and then

950
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:12.679
after that I'm like, Okay, that's enough, and now I

951
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.760
can watch melrose Place or whatever. I've been watching melrose

952
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.519
Places because it's a good escape, and it's actually pretty

953
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.039
clean because you don't realize the TV shows from the

954
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.280
nineties were so much cleaner and better than today. Like

955
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:30.199
but yeah, so when you're suffering and it's something physical, Yeah,

956
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:31.760
but you got a lot of power in your prayer.

957
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.880
Yeah, I mean, you got the one rugby player. But

958
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.199
there's a lot of people who can't get over that

959
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:36.880
pity pottery.

960
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.480
I think God really uses that to purify people though.

961
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.199
I Mean, there's a guy the apartment complex I used

962
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.039
to work at, this poor guy, and the more I

963
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.199
got to know him, so we would go get his

964
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:51.079
trash because he wasn't that old. He was maybe in

965
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.519
his early sixties, and he every other day he would

966
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.639
call and he'd be like, Okay, now my lungs are failing,

967
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.639
my heart's failing, and I'm on these die things. He

968
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.599
had so many things wrong with him, and so we

969
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.880
would go get his trash and take take his trash

970
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.159
out for him, and we would always call to check

971
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:08.400
on him, like once a day and say do you

972
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.519
need anything from the grocery store or anything like that.

973
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:12.199
At one point he asked me that if I would

974
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.239
start coming over once a day and changing his bandages

975
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.480
on his back because he couldn't reach him. And we

976
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.679
started talking and he's the sweetest guy, and he was

977
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.079
the most positive guy, and I would At first, I

978
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.119
was like, how is he so positive when he's got

979
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.719
so many things wrong with him and he could die

980
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.920
at any moment. And then I started realizing he'd telling

981
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.199
me his stories about his younger years. He was pretty wild,

982
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.000
and he partied it up, and he drank a lot,

983
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:36.760
and he corralsed a lot, and he was with a

984
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:38.559
lot of women, and he would get on boats, and

985
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.039
he had money, and it's just funny, like he recognized

986
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.920
that he had basically been living up his life and

987
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:46.960
living the shallow life and that he didn't have God

988
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.559
in it. Now he reads the Bible every day, and

989
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.280
it was like, but he has this joy in this

990
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.440
peace that he will tell you suffering brought to him

991
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.760
through the physical failing of his body. And that was

992
00:43:58.800 --> 00:43:59.719
so amazing to me.

993
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.360
Yeah, because I believe it, because like when you uh,

994
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.960
when you read the Bible, like Jesus's apostles after he died,

995
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.559
you know, they'd be all in prison and beaten, being

996
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:11.519
scourged and all kinds of stuff and they loved it.

997
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:11.840
You know.

998
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.119
It's like, yes, I'm closer, and I was like, how

999
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.960
in the world can you how? You know, It's like

1000
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.000
I love it, Jesus, but this really hurts.

1001
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.199
It's just like, I don't know. The more the more

1002
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.239
we go through the fire, the more we're purified, and

1003
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.639
then the more we can actually connect to God and

1004
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.360
then you actually feel joy. It's it's a weird.

1005
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:33.159
Thing, that's true. Yeah, the last one we've kind of touched.

1006
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.639
On I had all the way through thirteen.

1007
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.239
Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't want to get

1008
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:41.079
graded though, I won't write to go ahead. This is

1009
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.000
the test of delayed promises, you know, so how can

1010
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.760
We've talked about unbund their prayers and all that kind

1011
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.840
of stuff, but this, when you you've been in your soul,

1012
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.079
you know you've been promised this, you know, because like

1013
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.760
I guess it'd be David. You know when he You're

1014
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.199
gonna when they annoyed him, You're going to be king someday. Okay, well,

1015
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:01.920
now I have to to deal with all this. So

1016
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.599
if you see something going on, like okay, you're in Nashville,

1017
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.360
how many of these people in there believe that they're

1018
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.800
called to be singers and it's just not taking. They're going,

1019
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:13.719
they're trying, and they're trying. Can you still have hope

1020
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.159
and patience as you're trying for these promises you believe

1021
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:16.639
are coming.

1022
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.519
I think the answer to that is what God's been

1023
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.840
teaching me is to live in the present moment. And

1024
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.039
the answer again is simple but it's not easy. That

1025
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.159
should be our title for this podcast. Simple but not easy,

1026
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.480
like living in the present moment. Even father, if I

1027
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.320
said that today I started talking about something in the future,

1028
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.559
I started talking about some prophetic stuff, and he was like,

1029
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.920
one day at a time, Stephanie, one day at a time.

1030
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:41.039
And I'm like, yeah, that's that's where we find peace,

1031
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.480
is just the present moment. Because well, my neighbor, I

1032
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.480
love that she's always she thinks she's going to die

1033
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.519
any moment, all the time, and she's like, none of

1034
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.480
us may be here tomorrow. She's always in that we

1035
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.679
may be gone tomorrow, Stephanie, we may be gone tomorrow.

1036
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:56.920
So like she's asking me if I'll need a help

1037
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.559
moving and I was like, no, I'm okay, and she's like, well,

1038
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.840
we may be we may be gone tomorrow. I might

1039
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:03.280
not even be here to help you tomorrow.

1040
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:06.639
So well, that doesn't look like a lot of hope.

1041
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.239
No, but I mean that's the key to happiness really

1042
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.679
is living in the present moment and just like I think,

1043
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.480
trying to function with Okay, God, what do you want

1044
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:19.960
from me right now? And what can I be grateful

1045
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:21.800
to you for right now?

1046
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.000
Yeah, and reading after we took the test and all

1047
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.880
that kind of stuff basically from just the I don't know,

1048
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.079
just the don't get inside. I mean, just keep your faith.

1049
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:33.800
I mean, all these bad things are going to happen

1050
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.760
to you. It happens to everybody. It's happened to everybody

1051
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.039
throughout history. So don't just think that you're the one

1052
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.719
being picked on. Just kind of suck it up, keep

1053
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:41.559
believing and move on.

1054
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.519
And like you said, the promise in the good News

1055
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.840
is that we have eternal life, and that's what you know,

1056
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.360
I guess we should be you know, Father five, It's

1057
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.400
funny things keep coming up from the lunch. He's only

1058
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.280
thirty seven, and he started talking about lot. He goes up.

1059
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.000
He's very quirky. I love him because he's quirky. He's

1060
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:01.800
like I try to think a lot about when I'm

1061
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.400
going to die. He goes, I've been trying to He goes,

1062
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.760
have you spent a lot of time with dying people?

1063
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.079
And I was like, no, not, not really, and he's like,

1064
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.199
well I have. And he goes, when I'm annoyinging them

1065
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.119
and they're about to die, and even my mom and

1066
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.239
dad they're starting to lose their sight, and he goes,

1067
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.239
you know, I've got a lot of energy right now,

1068
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:20.760
but I know that's going to go away. God's going

1069
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:23.000
to start taking things away from my body. And I

1070
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.480
try to really focus on that. And all the saints

1071
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.079
did that, like try to focus. They say, the more

1072
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.559
you can focus on the end of your life, the

1073
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.440
more maybe the better or the happier you'll live today.

1074
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.800
I guess I don't know. I think as a priest,

1075
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.119
you're you're you're you've got death to deal with every

1076
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.159
day almost. I mean something someone's either going to die,

1077
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.800
they have died, or they're scared of dying, and so

1078
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:48.840
they come to you. So you have to deal with

1079
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:51.239
death all the time. So of course you're getting no

1080
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.039
matter how old you are as a priest, you're going

1081
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:54.320
to be thinking about it because it's going to be

1082
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.880
constantly in your mind, but I don't.

1083
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:58.920
Know, it probably get morbid to you. But I think

1084
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.880
what I'm trying to say is it puts into perspective

1085
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.800
maybe all the silly things that would stress us out

1086
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:05.880
or we worry about what I.

1087
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.360
Think a lot of it too. If you accept it,

1088
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.239
you know, it's kind of like these people who're still

1089
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:12.960
in their back of their mind. I think maybe they'll

1090
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.960
be the one that can cheat it. There's something like that,

1091
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.840
you know, maybe they can beat it. But if you

1092
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.000
accept it, Okay, I'm going to die, and as long

1093
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:21.920
as you totally believe you're going to have and you

1094
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:23.840
totally believe in God and you're good with that, well

1095
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.559
that's I think that's all you really need.

1096
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:27.960
Yeah, And then you start, let if you know you're

1097
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.039
going to die then and you know your days are numbered,

1098
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.920
then maybe you'll try to live, you know, just get

1099
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.920
get the most out of it while you while you're here.

1100
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.000
Yeah, And that that's that'd be the vice, he Mike.

1101
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.280
Just enjoy it. You know it's gonna be all gone

1102
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.960
way too fast. But then you get these morbid people

1103
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.039
than depress them kinds of what's the matter. Then I shouldn't.

1104
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.480
You know what, It doesn't matter. Well, I'm going to

1105
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.360
die anyway, it doesn't matter whether they do this or not.

1106
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.360
Right, No, I'm not. I don't think we should live

1107
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.760
that way. And as and as heartbroken as I am,

1108
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.800
I'll go back to my dog. Analogy is that I

1109
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.320
lost Tiko. I would not try. I had him for

1110
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.679
sixteen years and he brought me so much joy and

1111
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:05.760
so much love and comfort. I would not trade those

1112
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.119
sixteen years that I had with him for the pain

1113
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:10.719
that I have to, you know, live the rest of

1114
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.400
my life with because he's gone.

1115
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.679
Well, you know what, And I just on my daily podcast,

1116
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.679
I end with somebody who died that day in a

1117
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.119
quote from him a couple of days ago. From that,

1118
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:22.639
a couple of days ago from Neil Armstrong, you know,

1119
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:23.639
the first guy on the moon.

1120
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:24.280
Yeah.

1121
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:27.000
The quote I read from Neil was, every person has

1122
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.119
a finite number of heartbeats. I don't want to waste

1123
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:29.679
any of mine.

1124
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:33.119
Well, I love that. That's beautiful. And then there your

1125
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.559
cat jumps in your lap. Now, which one is.

1126
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.599
That the old he's the oldest one. He's the old timer.

1127
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:41.639
He's pretty solid black.

1128
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.599
Yeah, So it's a how do you think we So

1129
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:48.079
you said, how confident you about dealing with those thirteen

1130
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:49.320
think you can handle? Mom?

1131
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.360
I think they're challenging, but I guess that's what That's

1132
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.679
what life's here for, right, Like we're in training for heaven.

1133
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:59.159
That's how I view it, Like we're in training for heaven.

1134
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:02.519
And when you're in t for something, you're gonna be

1135
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.360
working out and it's going to be painful and hopefully

1136
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:06.559
you're building up some strength.

1137
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:08.639
Yeah, and I was kind of joking about it. It's

1138
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.320
kind of true. Once you pass one, then you can

1139
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:12.880
move on and worry about the others too.

1140
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.880
Yeah, that's true. That's true. It's a little easier. I

1141
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:19.119
deal with spiritual warfare a little easier now than I

1142
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:20.360
did in the past.

1143
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.199
That is cool. So when all you out there listen,

1144
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.119
thank you for joining. Hey, if you go to coolmedia

1145
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.760
dot com, it's cool with three us and you'll go

1146
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.119
on to these days with these times of Jeff and

1147
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.440
Steph and you go on there. There is a little microphone.

1148
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:37.920
All you have to just click on that and you

1149
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.440
can either just leave a voice message or you can

1150
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.039
actually type something in if you want to hear us

1151
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:44.840
talking about something or you can even join us and

1152
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.079
give us your story about from a Catholic point of

1153
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:49.719
view and how God's affected your life. We'd love to

1154
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.639
talk with you, right, Steff, Yeah.

1155
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.440
Please leave a comment and give us feedback any show

1156
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.199
ideas you'd like to hear us kind of go over

1157
00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.199
let us know right.

1158
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.239
Well, thank you for joining another episode of These Days

1159
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:04.559
that Jeff and Steph Oh, here's hoping that you don't

1160
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:04.760
lose

1161
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.800
Hope absolutely, and remember we're all in it together in

1162
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:08.440
these times.