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Waiting the day that sounds I'm gotta get to the Starbucks,
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get some magic, be on my way. Magical as was
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my bon. We don't know. There's no for that today.
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Well, hi there, and welcome to these days with Jeff
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and Steph. I am Jeff and she's gonna be Steph,
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and we're gonna be coming at these days from a
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Catholic perspective. Steph, how are you doing today?
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I like how you say. I'm Jeff and she's going
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to be Steph. That's good because I know how to
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be that. I'm just not learning, but that's good. Well,
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I've had a very mystical day, and so it's cool
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that we decided to talk about the mystics today. Yeah,
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how are you? How's things going up there?
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Pretty good? Just sitting there kind of just trying to
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get in a routine. It's one of those things I
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just can't get in a routine, if that makes any sense.
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Totally.
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Yeah, man, I just wanted you know, you know, every day, Oh,
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I hate being in a routine, you know, to break
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up the routine. Well, I'd like to be in a
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routine for one I'm with you knowing that. Hey, this
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afternoon I'm going to do this this morning, I'm going
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to do this this evening. I'm going to do this. No,
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it's like, okay, I have no idea what's coming.
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Well, sometimes that can be fun and exciting that you
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kind of embrace the unknown.
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Yeah, until of a sudden you look back and realize
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that there's a lot of stuff you should have done.
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Oh now, this isn't deep. This isn't deep or anything
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like that. It's just something, you know, you getting all
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into the mysticism and all the prophecy and all that
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kind of stuff, and you get really deep or I'm
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kind of shallow. So we're going to start off with
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something shallow before we dive deep. How does that sound?
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That sounds good. Let's let everybody warm up. Okay.
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Do you think God hates fish?
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No? I think he likes them. I think Jesus ain't
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a lot of fish, right, I know.
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But you think about it in the Bible. The reason
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we're talking about this is I have a big fish
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tank and I'm having trouble getting the augie under control,
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even though I have a big p costumers. But I
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was sitting there thinking about fish in the Bible. You
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think about it in the Bible, he says that Jesus
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says that you know, if a sparrow falls out of
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the sky, you know, God will know. But meanwhile, then
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he's got them guys pulling off fish. They're flopping all
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over the deck and all this kind of stuff. It's like,
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you know, you don't ever hear anything good about fish
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except they sustain you.
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That's true. And I don't know. I mean my own
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personal opinion, this is not biblical at all, but I
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think like some animals have more of a heart to
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be able to like reflect love back to you, and
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maybe fish, I don't think fish do. So maybe that's
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maybe they actually are here just for our nutrition.
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I don't know, when you think about it, I mean,
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all the big kills and you know, lakes and ponds
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and the ocean and rivers, what's the one thing happening
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fish kill? Boom, all these hundreds of thousand fish dead
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and every oh that sucks. Now, if you had one
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hundred thousand birds or deer or dogs die, everybody'd being
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an uproar. But nobody thinks really second thought about right,
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I know.
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Well except for all the Actually there is a lot
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of animal abuse in the world and something that's bothered me.
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Since I was a little kid, I didn't pray for
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people so much. But when I was my earliest memories
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of praying and I was little, I remember praying to
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God for the animals and just to please protect and
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help all the animals. I would think about the animals
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that were outside, that were cold and hungry. And I
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don't know, if He gave me a heart to love animals,
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then he must love them. I guess that's how.
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I think, right, And I mean, we do have the
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fish logo that people put on their bumper stickers.
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Yeah, go fish for men.
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But I don't know, it just seems like out of
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all the creatures, fish are the kind of the ones
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that get kind of the chef. They're just kind of
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the ones here here are just for eating.
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You're right, I think that's true because.
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I mean, I don't know, this is so many of them.
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I don't know how God could possibly know when well,
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I mean he would know. But you know what I
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mean about the sparrow analogy versus a fish, right, I.
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Mean, I do think there's different levels of love that
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they fell. I mean, obviously, a dog loves you more
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than a fish and love you, I think, don't you.
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Yeah, And we're talking fish, we're not talking like mammals
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like whales and dolphins and you know all that kind
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of stuff, right, So I don't know. This is something
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I was wondering about. You don't hear anything good about
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fish other than that they'll sustain you well.
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And he multiplied him, so he does think that it's
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good for us to eat fish. Apparently.
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Oh he did glorify fish one time, and he didn't
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really glorify him. When him and Peter needed to pay taxes,
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he said, go catch a fish and then the money
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will be in the fish's mouth.
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That's true, that's true. And he paid the five thousand
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with fish.
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So but you think about it when you talk about like, well,
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let's take all the other animals. When they would be sacrificed,
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you know, they would have to have the pure ones,
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and they'd have this whole routine and the right knife
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and you had to cut it just right and all that.
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You know, they're not doing that with fish. They're just there,
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you go.
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I know, And I guess I don't know. If I
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don't know, I don't understand that whole sacrifice thing because
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I love birds, and I love doves, and he was
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asking people to sacrifice doves and you know, goats and
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all that. Maybe he didn't consider fish much of a sacrifice.
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I don't know.
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I don't think he did. That's why I asked him recently,
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do you think God hated fish?
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I think he just didn't hold him to very as
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high self as esteem.
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I guess, because think about it, Catholics were punished all
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through then we can only eat fish on Friday, so
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that's punishment.
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Well, they are really good for you.
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They are good for you too, and actually now and
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now they're actually I don't know. I think it's that
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once you get older. I think that maybe that's how
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you know you're an adults, once you can eat fish,
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because a little kid, unless it's fish sticks, you're not
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eating them.
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Yeah, I'm still not crazy about fish. That's hard for me.
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So what we're going to talk about is the mysticism
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and Catholics and well mysticism in general. But we're going
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to kind of go with the Catholic point of view.
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And one time, you know, we're kind of rigid. I mean,
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I think most of us out there know the Catholics
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and they're pretty they think the Protestants are way out there, man.
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And I'm not talking the net jobs of snakes. I'm
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just talking look at these people singing and dancing and
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all this kind of stuff. And then one time you
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had said that you thought that the Protestants actually embraced
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mysticism more than the Catholics did, And I was wondering,
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do you think that could be because the Catholic Mass
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is kind of stoic, you know, it's kind of just
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no nonsense and all this kind of stuff. So there
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it seems really straight line where they help. It makes
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us so the brain can't really kind of think outside
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of the box, so to speak.
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Maybe because there's not a lot of personal you know,
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you don't put your own personal flare into the Mass.
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You're there, you know, it is structured, like you said, structure.
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But what's interesting to me is like that the rich
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history we have of Catholic saints and mystics that we've studied,
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most Protestants don't even know about. The majority of Protestants
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haven't even heard of a lot of these like you have.
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You know, John of the Cross and Saint Catherine of
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ablon Uh and even Saint Therez whose fist was yesterday,
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Saint Faustina, major saint in our tradition. All of them
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were either tested for being crazy or thought of as
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crazy they you know, because they had all these ecstasies
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or visions, or they were just having supernatural experiences with
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God all the time because they were so close to God.
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And to me, that's natural if you're close to God
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and you will have an intimate relationship with him. They've
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shown us it's natural to have these visions and dreams
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and experiences and ecstasies. And even Saint Joseph of Coopertino
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and who there's lots of them that would John of
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Arc Yeah, I mean she was. She was called crazy
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because she said she saw archangel Michael, and but she
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won a war with like seven people. You know. I
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was like, so we have It's just crazy to me?
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How I don't I don't get it unless it's like
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a testing. God allows totally just increase the faith and
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make them stronger. Of these mystics. So He's giving them
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all these supernatural experiences because they're seeking Him with a
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pure heart, I think is they're really seeking him one
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hundred percent.
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But then you got the priests who can actually do exorcism,
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which is totally mystical, and pretty much all Catholics believe
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in that the priests can do. And that's kind of
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funny because in the Protestants, if there's a hunting, they
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want a Catholic priest to go. You know, everybody believes
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that that priest is going to get that haunting taken
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care of, right.
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And most priests will say they don't have the gift
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of like visions and a whole lot of supernatural stuff
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because I think they do see demons sometimes. I mean
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the ones I've talked to will occasionally see demons, but
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they don't have a lot of healing or like mystical
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gifts because I don't. I think it would be too
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much for him. I mean, they're dealing with the demonic
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day in and day out. So, like I know, Father
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Reheal has said, I'm not one of these charismatic priests
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that can just have all these mystical experiences. I'm just
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you know, I think a lot of them are very pragmatic,
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but they need to be do what they do.
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Okay, well, you came from the Protestant and now you're
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the Catholic, So what are some of them? And you
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talk about it, you maybe because you were opened up beforehand,
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you're actually more open to when a mystical experience happens
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to you. So what are like, when did you first
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start experience mystical experiences?
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And I wouldn't say Protestants, I wouldn't. I say Protestants
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are more open to I think talking about spiritual warfare
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and to the prophetic and understanding that people have prophetic gifts.
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I don't know a lot of Protestants that have had
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a lot of truly mystical experiences. I do know a
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couple of priests, and I ran into one today. I
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don't know. I guess God makes us the way he
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does for a reason, but a lot of it's because
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of the suffering I've been through. You know, just when
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you have suffered a lot and you've been purified a lot,
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and you really have you're seeking I guess it purifies you.
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So you're seeking God with the pure heart and you're
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really given your own will to him. And I don't
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know if you just feel sorry for you too. He's like,
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let me, man, this girl's been through a lot and
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been falsely accused and a lot of people that you know,
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what he's brought to my mind even lately, is that
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a lot of people in my life that have been
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close to me don't even really see me for who
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I am. They don't even see the good in me.
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He ails you sometimes He doesn't allow people to see
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the good in you, which is obviously why they would
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accuse of somebody so pure like Saint Faustina and made
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her go through two realms of psychiatric.
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Yeah, well what made you first, because I'm just a
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regular person might think it sounds a little goofy or something,
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But what made you first embrace the fact that you
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think that God does communicate to you through birds, Well.
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It's because they were coming up to me and you
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feel it, and you know there's something not normal. I mean,
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you know when a bird's just flying around and you
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see them up in the trees. That's just normal to
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see birds around. And then you get a feeling. Well,
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there's always a feeling that goes along with it, and
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you know when God's communicating to you, So like when
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birds start really coming up to you, and it's always
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in crucial times in my life. So the first time
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it happened was when, like I said, right before my