Sept. 16, 2025

We talk about Pope Leo XIV birthday, and about the miracle staircase of the Sisters of Loretto in Santa Fe

We talk about Pope Leo XIV birthday, and about the miracle staircase of the Sisters of Loretto in Santa Fe
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Pope leo XIV turn 70, so Happy Birthday!  In Santa Fe, New Mexico, The Sisters of Loretto had built a pretty church, but the builder didn't build a staircase to the choir loft.  It was high and you couldn't get to it.  They Prayed to St. Joseph, a stranger showed up, built them a staircase in secret.  Still, today, no one can explain how the staircase stands.  No nails, no braces or poles, and the wood used is not from any known tree.  Come listen to in inexplicable stairs at the Chapel of Our Lady of Light.

You can watch and listen to Stephanie on her YouTube channel - In the Service of the Queen - where she talks about the blessed Mary     https://www.youtube.com/@InTheServiceOfTheQueen

You can catch Jeff on numorous podcasts   https://coolcasts.cooolmedia.com/

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Waiting the day night sounds.

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I gotta get to that stuff bugs, get some magic

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beings me on my.

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Way so magical as was my phone. We don't know.

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There's no for that today.

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Well, I I want to welcome to these days with

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Jeff and Steph. We're opening. Your Week's going great, Steph?

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How are you doing?

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I am doing great out here.

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I'm just got I said, I was supposed to go

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to work today and to a training class, and I'm

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thinking something's a little off. And I had all this

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stuff planned to do, and then all of a sudden,

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like thirty minutes after I'm supposed to be there, it

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hits me like, oh my gosh, I'm not there. But okay,

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so I was like, I've got to It's just kind

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of hard to get settled in a routine. I guess

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it's thrown my whole routine off, you know. I'm just

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trying to get my routine back. How are you out

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in Colorado?

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Well, I'm not ditching a first aid class, but I'm

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doing pretty good. Actually, whether it's nice you kind of

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feel fall in the air even though it's almost ninety degrees,

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but it's kind of nice anyway.

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Yeah, it is not. It's hot here, but you would

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love that.

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I do so. Is that the sixteenth of the seventeenth?

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We have to start looking for hummingbirds next week?

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Oh? Was that like National Hummingbird boek or something?

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I thought it was a birthday?

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Oh my birthday? Yeah, yeah, it's the eighteenth. Actually, I

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have had a couple of humming birds come up to me.

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Since I've been here.

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Okay, And the people who don't know why when referring

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to hummingbirds, well THAT'SO. Have to listen to past episodes,

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won't they.

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Well, yeah, check out the past episodes. The magical little birds.

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They they tend to show up, I think when.

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They're just announcing something, because every time one shows up,

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then something kind of major happens.

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Well, that's cool. I like birthday. You don't seem too

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shy about talking about your birthday.

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No, I don't mind. I don't know.

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Still I feel like I'm not really so focused on

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my birthday this year because I've got a lot of

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other things going on.

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But yeah, I don't mind talking about my birthday.

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Well, I really like celebrating birthdays. Today, on September fourteenth,

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Robert Privos, He's seventy years old. He was born in

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Chicago in nineteen fifty five. Most people probably know him

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as Pope Leal the fourteenth. Now his papers he just

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began on May the eighth. Now he's the first pope

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from the United States and the fourth North American actually

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be a pope, So now prevos. He actually grew up

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in Catholic schools. He went to college at Villanova. Then

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after he has graduated from Villanova, he started going to

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the seminary colleges and all that kind of stuff where

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he's working on his master's and his doctorate. Get this.

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He was teaching high school physics and math Tohigh school

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kids at that time. He was ordained a priest in

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nineteen eighty two. Now he did it all of these years.

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I'm gonna give a bunch of numbers in generality, but

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basically there might be a year there where he had

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actually on an assignment for the church. But basically from

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nineteen eighty eight to twenty fourteen he was a priest

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down there. He'd taking a missionary in Peru, and while

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he was down there, gotten a little bit of trouble.

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Now it wasn't bad. He didn't hide anything but while

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he was there, there was a pope who had been

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basically kicked out and was run out. Not a pope,

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I'm sorry, there's a priest who was in a lot

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of trouble for being one of those sex child sex

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molesters and all that kind of stuff. And he was

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in a lot of trouble, and so Privos he said

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all right, he was down and out. He said, all right,

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you can stay here until you go do something with

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your life. Did it above ground? Everybody in town knew

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he did it, so he wasn't hiding anything. And then

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the archbishop at that time, dude, you just threw away

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any chance you can to be bishop by the housing

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that guy. And he said, yeah, I thought of that.

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He goes, but I had to help him out. So

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the guy left and nothing. Well, in twenty fourteen, France

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or Pope Francis had taken office and he needed a

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pope for down there, I prove or a pope. I

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keep saying that because he is a pope now Bett

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he was just a parking card or just a regular

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priest at that time. Well, he needed a bishop down there,

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so he made him a bishop. Was kind of surprised Privos.

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He was kind of like, oh, I thought I threw

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that chance away, did such a good job down there

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that on January twenty twenty three, well, Francis hey made

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him a cardinal deacon. It's called the cardinal deacon, is

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what the term is. And he said, but you have

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to come to the Vatican City previous. I don't really

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like it down here in Peru. I think I'm doing

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some good things. And Francis said, you know, and I

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think you can do better things here in the Vaticans.

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He said, okay. So in February twenty five, just a

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few months ago, Francis made him a cardinal bishop. So

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then on May eighth he began on the fourth ballot.

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It was that quick, a total underdog. Hopefully the fourteenth

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was became and I surprised everybody. Nobody thought he was there.

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But now a lot of people are looking back, and

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I think in that as Francis, he might be kind

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of like self. For Francis might have picked his own

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successor on that interesting.

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Yeah, so the guy that he how was he cleared?

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What did it end up?

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Because a lot of times these priests are charged and

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it is false charges. I want to say that a

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lot of times that it's totally just Satan's persecution, persecution.

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Of the church. But did that did that guy end

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up being cleared or guilty?

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He was guilty. That's why they and everybody knew it.

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Everybody wanted him out of there, go by way, don't

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do anything. And that's when well previous at the times,

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because I have nowhere to go, I have no money,

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I have who's going to hire me? I got nothing

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and say that, well, all right, But he's one thing

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he did do is he didn't try and hide that

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he was hiding him or taking holding him in. He said, Okay,

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I know you guys aren't going to like this, but

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I have to help this guy out. You know, we

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are a Catholic church. We believe in charity, second chances

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and all that. I think what he did was deplorable

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and I really don't like it, but I just can't

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throw him away.

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And so right, so he was one of the rare,

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the rare kinds of people that actually went didn't care

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what other people thought, and went against the popular. Yeah,

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to show the love of crime, basically because that's what

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Jesus would have done.

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Although I don't think many of us would have done that.

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No, And like he said, you know, he was down

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there and he was up for succeeding the bishop who

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was in there. Now they knew that, you know, once

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this bishop retired, he was older, and then then Prevous

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would actually become the bishop down there. And that's why

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the whole conversation. And that's what Privus said, I know

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I'll never be bishop now for doing that. Wow.

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So he really did choose mercy over promotion. He did,

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and then God and then God promoted him.

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That's interesting.

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That's interesting. Very still stand your ground.

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Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

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That leads me to one reason I'm out of sourds.

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It's really it's not so much that I don't have

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a routine. It's because God has been bombarding me and

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other people who have seen this. It's like God is

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speaking so loud these days. And you've got all this

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stuff going on. You've got the Catholic children getting shot

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at Mass, and you've got Charlie Kirk, and you've got

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like these horrible tragedies that are happening. And at the

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same time, you've got like such a spotlight on the

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Catholic church with his wife. You know what, like we

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said addressing the nation and then holding that. I saw

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that picturey of that picture on social media of her

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holding a rosary out the window as she was driving

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to his funeral, and it's got God is speaking so

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loud that that's what's gotten me preoccupied more than anything.

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And so like when I was like the dreams I'm

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having and the things I'm hearing, he's like really speaking loud.

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And and so I was.

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Driving this morning to get to this healthy place to

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stock up on some frozen meals that it's like this

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healthy place in Nashville that you can buy frozen meals

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from and they're pre made and they're already like in

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the right proportion, and they're pretty affordable. So I've got

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my dog and I'm driving and we're just enjoying this

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little drive. And so I'm listening to this prophetic video

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and something she said, like I can tell when God's really.

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Speaking to me. And she had said thank you God.

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She was just saying a prayer.

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She said thank you God for having patience with us.

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And that hit me and I was like, oh, so

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I started saying, I said, thank you God for having

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patients with us. Thank you for having patience with me,

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and I was just thinking how it hit me, like

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you are so patient, Like we're such a work in

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progress as humans, and you know, we are just such

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a work in progress. And he will take us from

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point A to point B, from you know, a Paul, yeah,

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Saul who's killing Christians to a Paul Like God can

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just transform us so dramatically, but he's patient with us.

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And at that exact moment, he drew my attention to

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this car that pulled out in front of me and

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the literally in front of the bumper sticker, there was

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a sticker on it. This said thank you for your patience.

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I'm a new driver, and that's just a sense of humor.

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I was like, I get it. So I'm like, you're

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telling me I'm a new driver. I'm not used to

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letting you at the wheel, you know you're I think

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that was like RG he's our GPS. When we're finally

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following him, you know, and giving everything to him and

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learning to let him drive the car basically, and he's like,

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thank you for your patients A driver.

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Yeah, sometimes my life is pretty good. I mean, healthy,

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family is healthy, cats are healthy, you know, doing what

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I like to do. But sometimes, but I think every

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I'm probably not alone, but you look at where you

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want your life to be into where it is, and

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you're like and you're working for it and all this

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kind of stuff. But some days it just seems like

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even though everything's going good, it just gets kind of

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it's a down day just because why has it taken

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so long for me to get there?

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Right?

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You know, I can tell I've been proved, I've been

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doing everything, I've been obedient, and it's like, man, it's

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just like and it's kind of hard to shake. You know,

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half your day you're just kind of and you can't

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describe why you're down or anything, and it's just kind

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of like then eventually you know, it kind of washes

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away and you move on. But it's like those I

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don't know, half a day's kind of suck every once

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in a while.

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Well, I will tell you, my friend, prophetically, I will

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declare it right now that September is going to be

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a month I really believe that you're going to see

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the mountains moved, because you know, like if you've been

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obedient and if you really have been proved, like you're

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like you said, like this is going to be the

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month for those of us who have and you're going

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to say dramatic drastic, it's gonna say dramatic or drastic,

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So dramastic changes.

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In your life this month.

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I'd do that. Then before we're going to have a

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really cool discussion here in a second about a really

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neat story. But before I get to that. It's something

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when I was thinking about that that happened. I was

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reading one time in the Bible where it says God

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or Jesus says, you know, don't do all these prayers

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that the synagogue tells you to say that you know,

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word for word and all this kind of stuff, just

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talk to God. And then I was like going, okay.

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So then I was kind of thinking the other day,

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do you think that make Scott laugh? Do you think

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it ticks him off? Or he just kind of yeah whatever,

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when you kind of like go, okay, God, I did

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what you said? How did that look? Or something like

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you kind of you just talked to him.

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I think he loves it when we're real with him.

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I think he just he already knows how we feel

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and what we think. So I think he loves it

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when we're just real, not like sincere. I think that's

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I think I think he loves that. That's all I

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talk to him because I'm just like, hey, I love you.

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I know you're you're great and you're gone, but like

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like can you do something? But I like, if I'm

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bothered by I'm like, can you just help me out here?

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Can you do something about this right now?

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Yeah? And I was kind of like they're working with

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somebody and just nicest person, but just nothing exactly. It's

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not cute, I guess you could say, or not guy cute,

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Let's go common sense. And so you're telling to do something,

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they just don't do it, and then they try and

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do it themselves, and then it's like twice as bad.

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Then you try and fix it and all this kind

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of stuff. The other day, it's kind of like going, oh, well,

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you're doing really good, but let me just tweak it

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a little bit. Well, I had to redo basically the

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whole thing. And then when I was done, they well, yeah,

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you made that really good look look good. Thanks. I

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was like, well, because it doesn't look anything like you have,

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you know, it's totally new. So I was done. I

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was like going, Okay, God, I did it. I didn't

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get mad, I didn't take credit for it. That should

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earn me a lot of points up there.

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But right, well, it does just like you saw with

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what you said about Poclio. When you do something and

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you don't care what other people think, and you do

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it really because you're trying to have the heart of Christ,

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he does reward that obviously.

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Right, Okay, Now, folks, this is kind of a fun

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show where it's I guess you'd a prophetic or aasthetic,

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I don't know what would you call it? Just an angel.

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Story, miraculous, really raculous story. Yeah, end uplifting. It's a

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really cool story.

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And you know we chose to do it because we

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are doing our own no being a to Saint Joseph.

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Right now, you're not right, Okay, So now this was

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written in nineteen sixty, so you have to think this

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is sixty years ago, and so it's actually even closer

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to when this all happened than it is. You know,

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it was just written today for the first time, it

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says over one hundred years ago, in September of eighteen

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fifty two, the sisters of the Laredo came now by

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battle steamer and by covered wagon into the Southwest. Now,

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the trip had actually begun in Kentucky the previous May.

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The steamer the Lady Franklin, It took him up to

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the Mississippi to Saint Louis. From Saint Louis to Independence, Missouri.

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Then they took the Kansas Trail. But on the way,

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Calamity befell in the little community of the sisters. They're

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superior Mother Matilda, she took the cholera and she died.

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So the captain and he kicked him off the boat. Yep,

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all the sisters they were forced to leave right in

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the middle of nowhere. You know. He didn't want the

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collar to spread to the rest of the passengers, so

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they were able to just basically hitch like wagons up

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to Independence, Missouri. And two other sisters they also contracted colera,

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but they both survived only on to Santa Fe though.

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Now after more months of struggles and fears, you know,

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broken axles and wheels and all that kind of sight

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so dried chalk bones that you see in the TV shows,

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and the horns out and everything out in the desert

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and all that kind of well.

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The video also said seven nuns went to Loretto Loretto

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and Santa Fe and just built that church. Like just

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starting with the how the architect died when he was

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finished with the church, and the only thing he hadn't

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done is the staircase. Like that's a good place to start,

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I think, just talking about you know, from the time

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they got.

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There, alrighty, So these sisters from the Raido, they started

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out in Kentucky in the previous and then they wanted

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to go up to the southwest, so they took a

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steamship up the Mississippi and to Saint Louis. Then from

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Saint Louis they went to Independence, Missouri. But one of

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the sisters, who was actually the mother, Matilda, she was

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the supreme Mother at the time, she got colera and

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she died. So all the sisters, the other six of them,

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they were kicked off the boat and had to find

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their own way because of course they didn't want it

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to spread to the other passengers. Well, two of the

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other sisters they actually got their contracted caller too, but

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only one of them survived. So the group they actually

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made it Saint Joseph. Then they started on their way

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out to Santa Fe. Now, the sister Magdalene, she was

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actually made. This what do you call supreme sister. Yeah,

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well that was only because the sisters of the Rerto

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had their great just faith and I guess you call

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what discipline and tenacity and I don't know how. They're

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just great women basically. Well, they were able to get

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themselves up to Santa Fe. So that's pretty cool. They

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have to remember Santa Fe at that time, it was

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small and it was all Native Americans and Mexicans. They

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were homely the only gringos there when they walked into town.

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So there really wasn't anything there at that time. But

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let's go but back in eighteen fifty two, it soon

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became quite clear and evident that the sisters were to

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fulfill the intentions of the Bishop Lammy. He's the one

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who came up with the idea for the mission out

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there in Santa Fe, and he wanted them to open

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the school and to be able to teach. But now

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they needed a convent in the school. Now Mexican tart burners.

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They began to build it for the sisters. Now the

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school was it was completed, and they called it Loretta

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Academy of our Lady Alight. Now plans were made for

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a beautiful chapel. Now now, according to the sister, they're logbooks.

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In eighteen seventy three the chapel was begin Now it

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was designed by a projectis Mooli. He was father antone.

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He designed the cathedral and Santa Fe. But because he

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was from France, he wanted it to look like a

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French chapel. You know, this great, big, magnificent thing. Didn't

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realize that he was out in the middle of Santa Fe,

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New Mexico. So he wanted this big, old, strictly Gothic

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type of cathedral out there. Well, they had to bring

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in French and Italian masons, so they went to work

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on building it. Now it was large back then it

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might not sound like it. It was thirty one feet

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by eighty feet by seventy three feet high. So his

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mother Magdalene recorded in her journal that as the direction

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of the cample that they would they named the chapel

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under the patronage of Saint Joseph. And she wrote down

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in whose honor we communicated every Wednesday, that he might

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assist us. Then she wrote, on his powerful help, we

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have been witnessed to several occasions where he has stepped

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in so that's in her journal right now. That's pretty cool.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, So the chapel work, it progressed and then with

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some financial worries and then but they were all passed

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by the faith of the sisters. Now, it wasn't until

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pretty much done when they realized that there had been

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a huge mistake. See, the chapel is so it was wonderful,

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it was beautiful, and they had this great big choir

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loft in the back and everything, but there was no

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connecting link between the church and the choir loft. There

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was no stairway at all. They forgot it all.

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The guy died before he could finish it.

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It was so, and then after he died, nobody else said, hey,

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you know what we s about to finished what he

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was working on. I guess right.

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He left it, they said, what I saw said, he

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left no plans for how he planned to connect to

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you know, to get people up to the to the

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choir lof Right.

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So now everybody's kind of sitting there scratching their heads

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and what the heck do we do? You know that

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loft it's really a high loft up there too, and

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there's no room for a stairway in this church, and

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so they were other Magdalen. She got in a bunch

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of carpenters, said hey, man, can you build this a

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stairway up here? He said, man, it's there's no way.

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It's too steep. You know, you can't, it can't be done.

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So anybody who actually knew those sisters know that they

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weren't going to give up without saying something like, you know,

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let's wait awhile and let's make a novena. Because the

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sisters of the letter were so devoted to Saint Joseph,

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they went to no vena into Saint Joseph for a

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suitable solution to their problems. On the last day of

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the novena, it says that a gray haired man came

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up to the convent with a donkey and a toolbox.

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Now he approached Mother Magdalene Magdalene and asked her, you know, hey,

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can I help you out by building a stairway. She

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couldn't believe it. She's like, yeah, yeah, what do you need?

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You know? Yeah, thank you? What's going on? I don't

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worry about it. And so now this is from here on,

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this is what the sisters have written in their journals

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and told everybody else's past. They said that the only

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tools he had were a hammer, a saw in a

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t square. Now he worked by himself during the Christmas

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season in eighteen seventy nine. So when Mother Magdalene went

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to pay him, he'd gone. He couldn't find him anymore,

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and they were like, well, where'd you go? I don't know,

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but it's done. So then she went to the local

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yummer yard to pay for the wood, and you know, hey,

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we got at least pay them and say, hey, I

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know that you gave that guy that would you know,

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here's the money for it. They never heard of him.

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They don't even know what kind of wood it was

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or anything. They never heard anything about him. There's no

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recording of anybody who had ever sold that guy anything. Right,

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So it's a winding stairway, and the old man had

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left for the sisters. It's basically beautiful, and you can't

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I've seen pictures. I know my parents and my grandparents

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they've all gone down there because Santa Fe is only

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like five hours from here in Colorado. So it makes

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two complete three hundred and sixty degree turns. Now, there's

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no supporting pole that goes down the center. Now, most stairways,

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when you see a circular stairway, there's a pole that

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goes right down the middle that kind of everything's supported on.

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It's not that, So basically it hangs there with no

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visible support and the entire weight of it's on the

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base of it. Now, some architects have looked at and

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they said, the laws of gravity should have had that

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thing crashed down the four that anyone stepped on it.

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But it was used for over fifty years. Now they

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don't use it just because, you know, it's more of

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a look. You know, once you have, once you have

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a miracle, you don't want to keep walking on it,

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you know.

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Right.

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So the stairway it was put together with only wooden pegs.

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There's not a nail in that entire wooden staircase. Now,

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the part that's under the treads where the stairs are,

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they call it a stringer, but that's what goes around

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the outside of the stairs to kind of keep them in.

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There's not even one of them now. Visitors that they're

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too often over the ears try to take souvenirs of

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it and taking chunks of it and stuff like that.

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Over the years, so in nineteen fifty two, when the

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sister celebrated the centennial of their arrival into Santa Fe,

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they decided to fill it up and make it look

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all nice and pretty and all that kind of stuff.

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So you'll kind of see some things that aren't original

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on it there, but it has nothing to do with

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the structural support. It's all cosmetic right now. At the

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time it was built that stair, we had no banisters,

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so no handrails. And one of the girls who actually

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was attending the academy at the time when it was built,

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she was about thirteen years old. She told everybody about it,

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and she even wrote it in her little diary that

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her and her friend they were some of the first

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ones to walk up it, you know, because I think

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they is it safe? I don't know, Hey, girls, go

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see if it's safe. At least two thirteen girls gave

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up the top of it. You remember, there's no handrail

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or anything, and it's just floating there. So she said

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that her and her friend came down it, and they

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came down They walked up at five, but they came

472
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down it on their butts because they were going to

473
00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.559
scared about it. So that's pretty funny, so.

474
00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:06.400
That the nuns used to crawl up it before the

475
00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:08.880
banister was because it was so scary to get to

476
00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:09.200
get up.

477
00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:11.039
We could imagine if those thirteen year old girls come

478
00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.559
down on their butts, what's the nun She's going to

479
00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.200
be kind of a little leary about it too. So

480
00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:19.680
now it's kind of for now a wood expert for

481
00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.599
that stair for the staircase. You know, they've had experts.

482
00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:24.359
Now they want to just prove they it's not a

483
00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:26.400
miracle and all this kind of stuff. You know, we

484
00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:27.839
don't know how he did it, but you know, all

485
00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:29.559
this kind of stuff. So this guy, he is like

486
00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:33.039
the wood and architect expert. He tells everybody that the

487
00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:35.680
circular wooden staircase with three hundred and sixty three currents,

488
00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:37.640
it did not have a sporting pole down the center.

489
00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.720
And one of the most baffling things at the staircase,

490
00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:43.960
it's built to such a perfection that the curves and

491
00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.359
the stringers around the steps and all that they are

492
00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.000
so absolutely dead nuts that you basically you'd have to

493
00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.279
have lasers in trying to order.

494
00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:53.559
To do that right. They said, even with today's technology,

495
00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.720
they would find it very difficult to for it to be.

496
00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:58.680
Built at all, let alone by one.

497
00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:01.599
Person, and it's got it's just an each piece is

498
00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:05.000
perfect card. Yeah, like we said, they they said, you

499
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:06.799
can't even do it now on pretty much it's kind

500
00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:07.799
of like those you can't.

501
00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:08.440
Even do it now. Yeah.

502
00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.039
They Actually the Nuns had two experts come that were

503
00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.400
world renowned civil engineers who said to this day, they

504
00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.759
have no explanation and they can't understand how.

505
00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:19.240
It was built.

506
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.920
That it has a double helix shape, which is interesting.

507
00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:26.559
It should have taken more stairs he only had. There

508
00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:29.559
was only thirty three steps, which thirty three we know

509
00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:32.920
is very significant because that's the age that Jesus was

510
00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.960
when he was crucified. So the only thirty three steps,

511
00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:39.680
the double helix shape, world renowned engineer said, I don't

512
00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:41.759
know how this is done. And did you know that

513
00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.000
they tested the kind of wood and it's Piscius spruce,

514
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:49.839
which could not be bought in the area, and the

515
00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:54.480
exact the exact genealogy of that kind of They said

516
00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:57.039
that there's no scientific match anywhere on earth for that

517
00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.519
exact type of Pisces spruce.

518
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:04.640
They said that, and that's just recently too. But they said. Basically,

519
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:06.960
nobody knew what the wood was until they finally, like

520
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.160
she said, she was able to get just recently.

521
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.079
And they don't know where he got it from because

522
00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:14.039
the local lumberyard said, there's no record of anybody buying

523
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:15.519
any wood here, right.

524
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.440
And if they did buy the wood, they couldn't have

525
00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:20.160
bought them. Nobody knows where that wood came from. They

526
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:20.640
still can't.

527
00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.960
Maybe they yeah, there was no record of him paying

528
00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:24.599
for it. Another interesting thing.

529
00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.640
When he showed up, he told the sisters, I only

530
00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:29.240
have two requests. You don't ask my name, and I'll

531
00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:32.240
work alone. And so they never ask his name. And

532
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.960
nobody ever saw him build a single thing and.

533
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.319
Get this as much as we've been talking about, like

534
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.200
I said, the people taking little chunks out of it,

535
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.680
you know, over the years for a little sue and

536
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:43.440
the air and all this kind of stuff. But that

537
00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:45.920
way he did that wood and everything. If you were

538
00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.119
to walk in it today and just look down at it,

539
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:50.640
that would you know? The people remember, they went up

540
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:52.680
and down it on their butts and underneath and on

541
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.039
that for fifty years before they kind of started to saying, hey,

542
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.279
maybe so, but people still walk up and down it

543
00:23:57.319 --> 00:23:58.960
today and just you know, they let him do it.

544
00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.359
They're still not any physical signs of wear and tear

545
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:04.079
on that wood at all from even all those people

546
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.480
walking him and down it for one hundred years.

547
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.400
Now it's beautiful and the whole chapel is beautiful.

548
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.880
I just I want to go see that really bad.

549
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:13.079
I didn't even realize I had heard about it, but

550
00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.680
I didn't realize that it was even in our country.

551
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:17.359
For some reason, I was thinking it was in Europe.

552
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.880
But you know, we talked about doing this video, I mean,

553
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.759
this podcast on it. So I watched the video on

554
00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:24.839
it and realized it's in Santa Fe and it's absolutely beautiful, and.

555
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.759
Yeah, okay, so do I think it was I think

556
00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:28.359
it was Joseph.

557
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:29.720
What do you think I think.

558
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.880
It was Joseph too? Yeah, I mean he shows up

559
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:35.079
on the ninth day, the final day of the novena.

560
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:39.319
These sisters had enormous faith and a devotion to Saint Joseph.

561
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:40.000
They asked for his.

562
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.799
Help, and then a man shows up and the seriously

563
00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:46.720
has supplies and tools and builds something that nobody sees

564
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:50.200
and build that's almost technically impossible to build in the

565
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:50.839
first place.

566
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:55.480
And it's beautiful. And yeah, that's if you don't call

567
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:56.039
that a miracle.

568
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:58.720
I don't know what it is, you know, the novena

569
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:00.119
and all that kind of stuff. But I think the

570
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:02.759
most reason that drives me there is when they started

571
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.680
building it. The first thing they did was ask for

572
00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:07.480
Joseph's help. You know, that was the first thing they

573
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.200
asked for, right, And then when Sister Magdalene said every

574
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.160
Wednesday they would go pray to help us with this,

575
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.279
help us with us, right, I think then when they

576
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:19.000
did the no vienna, he's kind all right, better go

577
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:19.599
help them out.

578
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:23.240
Yeah, they even went to the lumberyard to try to

579
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:25.599
settle the bill because even though they thought, well, we

580
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.799
can't pay the man who built it because he's disappeared,

581
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.799
will at least go to the lumberyard because there's probably

582
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.000
a money that's sowed and there was no record of

583
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.240
anybody buying any lumber. And did you know they even

584
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.599
took an ad out in the newspaper, right, and the

585
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.799
local newspaper to try to find him so they could

586
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:43.359
say thank you and pay him, and nobody ever responded.

587
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.880
And we need I think pretty much you don't have

588
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.640
to know much about woodwork, and know, just basics about it.

589
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:51.720
You think about it. He came with a hammer. I

590
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.680
saw it in a t square spot.

591
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.359
No big truck, law truck, you know. No, the mule

592
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.680
wasn't carrying a card of lumber behind him or anything

593
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:00.960
like that.

594
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:02.839
Right, and then you have to stop and think about it.

595
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:05.640
No nails. So you got this great big wooden structure,

596
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:07.119
no nails in it. And they said, well he used

597
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:07.839
wooden pegs.

598
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.039
Yeah, no screws, no blue just.

599
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:11.880
Okay, Well, if you have a wooden peg, you have

600
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:13.400
to have a hole to put the peg in. So

601
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:14.720
wouldn't you have to have a drill.

602
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.720
To Yeah a good point. Good point. Yeah, it's the

603
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:21.599
whole thing is miraculous. It's just it's just to me,

604
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:24.279
it's just such a comforting story of how when you

605
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:27.079
have faith and you ask for Heaven's help, they show up.

606
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.960
So and so if any of you around, and why

607
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:31.759
would I want to go to northern New Mexican, Well

608
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.759
that's worth the trip. I think I.

609
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.839
Think that's very worth the trip. Yeah, it's on my

610
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.039
list now for sure.

611
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:39.519
And not only that, there's actually they actually have a

612
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:42.680
little tour thing out there because people, you know, you

613
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:46.240
think about like New England and well, Saint Augusta, Florida.

614
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.559
But when you think about the early days of the

615
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.920
United States, pretty much take a New England, I would guess,

616
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.440
you'd say, but you forget about down in that area.

617
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.880
There were people out there, the first settlements and all

618
00:26:57.880 --> 00:26:59.759
that kind of stuff around Santa Fe and down then

619
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.279
that area. So there's a bunch of little churches and

620
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.440
stuff like that that are still, you know, partly standing,

621
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.400
and some of them are actually standing there just out

622
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.319
of service. But they built a lot of churches down there,

623
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:10.039
the Spanish did.

624
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.880
Yeah, in Saint Augustine, is that what you're talking about, Well,

625
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:13.400
that's Florida.

626
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.599
That's actually considered the first settlement in the United States.

627
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:20.079
Yeah, it's very very Catholic. A lot of Catholic history there.

628
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.720
But yeah, if you're around the New Mexico, northern New

629
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:27.839
Mexico area, even down into like southern Arizona and that

630
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.880
kind of northern Arizona, there's a lot of little churches

631
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.759
and stuff that they'll actually take you tours on that

632
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.680
was built free fourhundred years ago.

633
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:36.440
That's really cool. I really do want it.

634
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.720
I've been wanting to go to Arizona anyway, So that's

635
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.640
interesting in New Mexico too, all that area.

636
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.759
I've never been, so I.

637
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.960
Think more importantly, if you need any help with anything,

638
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.200
call on Saint Joseph exactly.

639
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.400
Well you talk about devout, you can tell these nuns out,

640
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.160
you know, obviously they just study scripture. They love God

641
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.640
and they love everything about it. Okay, we're gonna need

642
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.519
to build this thing, all right, who's the biggest carpenter.

643
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.839
We know, that'd be Joseph. Okay, Joe. They went straight

644
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.920
to head. They didn't they didn't look around or anything,

645
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.079
and out of desperation say all right, say Joseph, can

646
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:11.880
you help them? Know they're right from the very beginning,

647
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:13.279
and they were sold that he was going to help

648
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.440
them build that right.

649
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.559
I mean, it's the Holy Family they're here to. And

650
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:18.599
it reminds me.

651
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.119
Can I tell my little angel story now? And it

652
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:23.680
might not have been an angel, It might have been

653
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.720
Saint Joseph. I mean, I don't know, but God's graciousness

654
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.000
because I wasn't even castolic. I mean at this time

655
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.920
I wasn't even baptized. And I have a story for sure.

656
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.319
This was a miraculous person that you know we have.

657
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.720
There's even like that scripture in the Bible. I think

658
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.759
it's in Hebrews that says be be not forgetful to

659
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.759
entertain strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. So

660
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.200
even the Bible tells us we're going to have encounters

661
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:48.839
with angels.

662
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.599
Right, So I was working.

663
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.440
It was I had just moved to Nashville, and it

664
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.240
was a time I was really discouraged because I'd come

665
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.480
here to write songs and I didn't even have any friends.

666
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:01.759
And you know, the one friend I had met was

667
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:03.920
this guy I met in the laundry room. He was sweet,

668
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.000
but he was he was a guy.

669
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:05.480
First of all.

670
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:06.839
He was a little bit older than me, and he

671
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.039
wasn't like you know, I really was neat, wanting and

672
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.960
longing for a girlfriend my own age that you know,

673
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.759
I just moved to Nashville was lonely. I was away

674
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.640
from my family and the music songwriting thing wasn't going

675
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.319
all that well, and I found myself working.

676
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:23.519
He had to.

677
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.519
He had taken pity on me, basically and given me

678
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.240
a job as a receptionist at his ac. He had

679
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.359
just bought an air conditioning company, and so there was

680
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.559
like this long. There's a street calling Nolansville Road, and

681
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.039
it's kind of a warehouse district.

682
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:40.200
It's very industrial.

683
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.039
There's just kind of like one warehouse after another of

684
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.400
it's all industrial kind of businesses.

685
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.599
And so my to paint the picture. My little desk.

686
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.519
The whole front of the building was glass, but it

687
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.079
was really dark tinted glass because the sun kind of

688
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.559
pounded down on that area. And I had a little

689
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.480
desk right when you walked in, and every morning I

690
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.960
would have to like literally just like clean the mouse

691
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.759
turns off, because I mean it's a warehouse area, and

692
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.480
the mice would have a party on my desk in

693
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.920
the morning. And I was just like, I can't believe

694
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:13.200
this is my life, kind of like I've got right

695
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.920
turns on my desk and this is an ugly place

696
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.119
I'm working, and I was like, this is not what

697
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:18.839
I moved here for.

698
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:19.920
So anyway, I was.

699
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.240
Just really depressed, and I was really starting to kind

700
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.200
of feel despair. And every morning the guy it's got

701
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.079
my friends got he's the owner, and then the salesman

702
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.599
and the installers, they would all have this meeting.

703
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.160
We would all get there in the morning.

704
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:34.799
And then they would all kind of leave and go

705
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:36.319
out and do their thing for the day, and I

706
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:38.799
would be there alone. And so they had all just left.

707
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.240
I was there alone. Probably ten minutes had gone by,

708
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.799
and this man walked in. I didn't see a car

709
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:45.920
pull up, but I thought maybe he'd parked at the

710
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.839
next maybe he walking down the street or something. So

711
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.880
he walks in, and immediately I wasn't scared. That's something

712
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.079
that strikes me because that area. Any kind of man

713
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.960
walking in and I'm there alone, I probably should have

714
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.920
felt a little uneasy, but there was just such a

715
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.839
good energy, almost like a light around this guy, and

716
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.799
I didn't feel scared at all. Immediately felt comfortable. And

717
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.680
he walked in and he was smiling and looking back.

718
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.839
It's interesting what he said. He was like, Hi, how

719
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.240
are you, and just real friendly and he's like, you know,

720
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.839
I'm I'm I'm selling this fruit for my son. He

721
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.480
said he has a he has a baseball league and

722
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.119
if they can sell, you know, so much to raise

723
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.319
a certain amount of money, they get new uniforms or.

724
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:27.920
Something like that.

725
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.839
And he had like a bag of oranges and he's like,

726
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:32.839
you know, you want to buy some some of this,

727
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.519
some of these oranges, and I was just like, I'm

728
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:36.240
so sorry.

729
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.000
I liked him so much. Immediately I said, I wish

730
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:40.799
I could, but I'm broke. I don't want any money.

731
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.960
And I'm like, if you want to come back on Friday,

732
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.000
I get paid on Friday, I'll buy I'll buy a

733
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.319
bag from you on Friday. And he just looked at

734
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.880
me and he smiled and he said smile. He goes,

735
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.799
it's going to get better. He goes, it's about to

736
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.200
get better. And it was just like the way he

737
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.559
said it was with such authority. I actually felt it

738
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.559
and I belie I believed him. And he left that.

739
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:03.920
He goes, you know what, I'm just going to leave

740
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.519
these for you, and he left these oranges on my day.

741
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.079
He's like three oranges, three on my desk and he said,

742
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:12.480
you keep smiling, It's about to get better. And he

743
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.759
walks out the door, and I was left like the

744
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.440
energy in the room had changed.

745
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:18.319
I could feel it.

746
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.319
And so right as soon as he walks out, I'm

747
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.640
not even kidding. The door had just closed. And then Jason,

748
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.279
one of the sales guys, walked in and he immediately

749
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:29.279
sees that he's like, where'd you get the oranges?

750
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.200
And I'm like that guy. He's like, what guy? And

751
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:33.759
I'm like that guy, I'm thinking you.

752
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.559
Had to have passed him. I'm thinking he probably held

753
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.759
the door open for him as he walked out, because

754
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.799
that's how quick it was. And I was like, that

755
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.440
guy that you walked, that you passed walking in. He

756
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.440
goes like, pat's any guy walking in? And I was like, Jason, quit,

757
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:46.599
quit screwing with me.

758
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:47.839
He's like, no, I didn't pass.

759
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.039
He's like, I didn't see anybody stepping he and so

760
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.359
like at this point, probably only ten seconds had gone by.

761
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.799
I'm not kidding it was. That's how fast the conversation was.

762
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.519
And so I get up, I run outside, and I'm

763
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.880
looking up and down the street. It's just a flat street.

764
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:03.640
There's no cars. The guy would not have even had

765
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:04.599
time to get to a car.

766
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.599
There's no cars. There's no guy nowhere inside. He's just gone.

767
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.160
And I honestly would have believed that I had hallucinated

768
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.200
the whole thing if the oranges weren't actually still on

769
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.920
my desk. I mean, that's just proof the oranges were there.

770
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.359
And it wasn't long after that that I met Michelle,

771
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.759
who ended up being my best friend for years, and

772
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:28.200
we moved in together, and you know, I started writing

773
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.759
songs with people who were actually staff writers for big companies,

774
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:34.759
and he was right, like, things got a whole lot

775
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:38.160
better really quickly after that, and I started feeling like

776
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.720
God's grace on my life. And so, yeah, God will

777
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.920
send people to keep you going, I think, and encourage

778
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:45.960
you when when you were in those kind of down

779
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:46.720
and out times.

780
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.039
No, I believe it. I mean that you didn't need

781
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.519
a staircase. You needed oranges.

782
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.480
I needed oranges.

783
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.880
I needed somebody to really just smile at me and say, hey,

784
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:54.680
it's going to get better.

785
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:55.440
Hang in there.

786
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.000
I agree with that. That's pretty cool. So everybody just keep

787
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.759
their eyes out and paid and you never know who

788
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.440
or what God's going to send that make your day

789
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:05.559
and show you a little miracle.

790
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:06.599
You never know.

791
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.199
I think there's miracles that we probably miss all day long.

792
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:10.480
I think He's sending them.

793
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:10.960
All day long.

794
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:14.159
You know. I think everybody misses miracles all the time.

795
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.320
And because people think of a miracle as this grand yells,

796
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.760
big gesture, you know, big, something huge happens, like, man,

797
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.519
this car flipped over forty times and just the person

798
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.639
walked away and all that kind of stuff prob. But

799
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.119
you don't know how many people just at the last

800
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.639
second they swerve just enough where they didn't get hurt,

801
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.880
you know, And those are exactly so I think there's

802
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.159
I think all of us experience miracles a lot, even

803
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.519
though we don't realize it.

804
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.199
Right, I do too, So keep your eyes open, even

805
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.280
the small things like the fact that I was praying

806
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.360
at that moment this morning and saying thank you for

807
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.639
being patient with me, and then the bumper sticker in

808
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:48.159
front of me.

809
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.840
Said, thank you for your patience. Here's a new driver.

810
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.840
Like those are the little God loves to just communicate

811
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:55.800
with us and show us.

812
00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:00.000
I'm here, I'm listening, I hear you, I'm interacting with you.

813
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:01.800
I don't know who came up with it, But you

814
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.519
like the term godwink. I do.

815
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:05.920
Yeah, I've heard that a lot.

816
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.760
People are like, oh, you just have a little godwink,

817
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:09.880
And to me, it's like so much more. It's like

818
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.719
an ongoing intimate relationship. So I think God, to me,

819
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:17.159
godwink kind of minimizes what I think that he.

820
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:18.280
I feel like it's.

821
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:23.119
This intimate, deep ongoing relationship that we're really having if

822
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:23.760
you pay attention.

823
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.000
So instead of a wink, you think he's actually grabbing

824
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:26.320
your hand.

825
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:30.000
Basically, Yeah, he's holding your hand, he's coddling up beside you.

826
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.360
He's constantly talking to you and whispering in your ear.

827
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.840
So it's a lot more intimate and personal to me

828
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.559
than than somebody. I think of a wink, and I

829
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.679
think some guy walking by and just kind of passing

830
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.679
you and winks at you, moves on.

831
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:43.480
You know.

832
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.280
I kind of look at it more like when you're

833
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.719
a little kid and you do something and everybody, oh

834
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:50.719
my lord, and then off and your grandfather just kind

835
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.039
of gives you a wink like it's okay, kid, I

836
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:53.679
look at it.

837
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.440
That's sweet. I like that. I like that version.

838
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:58.800
Oh well, thank you over listening to that. Man, it's

839
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.559
been fun. I hope you really like that story about

840
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.280
the sisters of Laredo down there in Santa Fe. Now,

841
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.039
thanks for catching another episode of These Days with Jeff

842
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.440
and Steph. Now here's hoping you don't lose hope, and

843
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:09.079
remember we

844
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:10.039
Are all in it together.