Sept. 11, 2025

We talk talk about Mother Mariana, also talk about the differences between Catholic & Protestant

We talk talk about Mother Mariana, also talk about the differences between Catholic & Protestant
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Jeff & Steph talk about how great God is and how his timing is perfect.  Steph shows the true meaning of being a deciple of Jesus by letting someone who is down know how much Jesus stlill loves them,  The also discuss what the differences are between the Catholic an Protastant churches. They alson talk about Mother Mariana de Jesus Torres, check her out in this video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOLJAFL_jtY 


You can watch and listen to Stephanie on her YouTube channel - In the Service of the Queen - where she talks about the blessed Mary     https://www.youtube.com/@InTheServiceOfTheQueen

You can catch Jeff on numorous podcasts   https://coolcasts.cooolmedia.com/

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Weave the day night sounds. I gotta get to that

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start bugs, get some magic Bees'll be on my way

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when magic asma's We don't know.

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That today. Well, hello everyone, I am Jeff, and welcome

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to these times with Jeff and Steph. I'm doing pretty

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good out here in Colorado. Steph, I are things up

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there in Tennessee.

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Things are good. Things are rocking and rolling, and I'm

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tired of walking up and downstairs. But things are good.

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How's your day been going.

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It's been going kind of nice. I mean it's upper

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eighties and it's like, Okay, this is nice. You know,

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we're almost halfway through Septembers and upbradies, But then you

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get that, Okay, you enjoy this because it's gonna be

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hard to get up there again for the rest of

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the years. Oh.

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I know, I'm gonna make it a point to go

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swim again today because I did yesterday, just because I

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don't know how many nice warm days.

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We've got left exactly. So how's that new job going.

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It's going good. You know, We're we're recording this a

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little later because I had to work my ships today,

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but you know, God, it's good. He works in first

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of all. One of the guys I worked with, I

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forgot to I forgot to think about telling you this.

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He is a retired you meet the most interesting people there.

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He's a retired writer and producer from WSMV, which is

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a major network here in Nashville. I think it correspond

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corresponds to NBC, if I'm not mistaken. But he was

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interesting and I was telling him about our podcast. He

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was very interested in it, asked me a bunch of questions.

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And then another little guy. I meet new people every time,

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and this this young guy was working with. It was

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just God present a really cool moment for me to

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I guess, evangelize, but just to let him know really

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that Jesus loves him because he is a black guy,

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he's gay, and I don't know how we got on

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the subject really, but he just started, like God just

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does this with me right all the time. He just

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started kind of opening it up and telling me that he,

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you know, his grandmothers both had told him that God

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doesn't approve of what he does, or doesn't approve of

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him being gay and doesn't love him. And he said,

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I used to love going to church, but I find

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it hard to pray and I said, you just need

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to talk to Jesus like he's your best friend. And

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I'm telling you he loves you and he wants to

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be there for you, and you're going to see him

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show up in your life. And I guess I was

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sharing some of the ways he's been showing up in

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my life. That he hugged me twice. He gave me

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the biggest hug and almost cried. And he just said,

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you don't know how much I needed to hear that.

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And and I was like, you know, he goes and

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you know, without watering down the truth. I think I

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did a good job. I hope I did. I think

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the Holy Spirit helped me that. He was like, you know,

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they tell me that, you know, Jesus doesn't love me

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because of my lifestyle. And I said, well, well, let's

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just say, for argument's sake that it is a sin.

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I said, let's just say that it is a sin.

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I said, well, Jesus came for the sinners. He didn't

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come for the righteous, I said, first of all, and

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we're all. Second of all, we're all sinners. And I

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was like, you know, third of all, he said, I'm

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not here for people who are well I'm here for

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the sick. And then he tells us not to judge

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and not to condemn, or we're going to be judged

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and we're going to be condemned. And he made it

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really clear we're supposed to love each other, and I said, so,

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I think he just wants you to know he loves you.

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And that's that's when he hugged me, and I think

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he almost started crying, and he was just like, you're

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my new best friend. Oh, like, well, you're already my

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new best friend because I mentioned my birthdays next week

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and he's like how He's like, are you going to

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be thirty six? And he like, he seriously was. He's like,

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you look thirty six to thirty eight, he goes, and

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I'm pretty good at guessing, you know, women's ages. So

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I was like, you're already my new best friend.

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You know, I heard probably the best analogy I've ever

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heard about God in sesout forgiving it, you know, how

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everything's well, God will never forgive this sin and all

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that kind of stuff. How could he still love me

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after what I did? And the analogy was think of cancer. Now,

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if you know somebody who has cancer, you can hate

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the cancer. With all your might, you still love the

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person who has the cancer.

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Absolutely.

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That's a pretty good analogy about people with sin and

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all that kind of stuff. You can hate that sin

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more than anything, but you still love the person who

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has it.

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So exactly. And sin was not God's plan for us,

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you know, just like cancer was not his plan for us.

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It's not something he wanted us to have or to

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deal with. But that's why he came, right, That's why

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he suffered.

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Yeah, exactly. Now today we're gonna kind of have some fun,

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not really fun, and we're not going to do it

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in the mean way. We have another podcast, it's sister

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podcast is called Catholic one on one, where we'll be

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kind of for the people who've kind of forgotten, you know, things,

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you know, they just go to Catholic jurchy every every

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week and then they don't really pay attention and then

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that kind of stuff, and then after about twenty years

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you kind of forget, Oh yeah, what is that?

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Or right?

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I can't remember that, you know, and why is the

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priest wearing that color? And so we're going to it's

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this basic Catholic one oh one. We're going to talk

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about the Saints and we're going to talk about the popes,

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just the basic one hundred level class and you know

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we're not going to get into deep discussion, it's just informative.

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But to start it off, we were thinking, you know,

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what would be the what is a Catholic Well, obviously

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there's basically two Christian domination. You're the Catholic, you're prout

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istant most likely, So what is the difference between them?

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And we know that the Catholic Church it was formed

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in the Bible when Jesus told Peter that, hey, upon

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this rock, I am found in the church for you.

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So Peter was basically the first pope, and they wonder

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what the pope is, Well, now, Pope Leo, he is

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a current human who has actually the living person who

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has taken over the papal. I guess we would call

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it papacy from Peter, as every pope down the line

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has gotten through. So then in the fifteen hundreds of

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Catholic priests his name is Martin Luther, he didn't like

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what the way the Catholics Church is doing. And it

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wasn't all rainbows and unicorns and the Catholic Church too,

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you know, there was just like any big organization. There

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is corruption and all kinds of stuff, but he wanted

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to go against it, so he tried to break away

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from the Catholic Church. But the Catholic Church, it actually

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was so ingrained, especially in Europe, between the kingdoms and

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all that kind of stuff. You know, the kings would

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rely on the Church, and the Church would health the kings,

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and the kings would help the Catholic Church and all

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this kind of stuff. So it just caused a whole mess.

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And that's where you got the Protestant Revolution. And what

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you got there was basically the northern half of Europe

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they became the Protestants, and the southern half of Europe

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they became they remained Catholics. So that's when you hear

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the divide. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna

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talk about what's the difference between Catholics and Protestants. Now,

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I wouldn't be when we're not gonna judge you. Protestants,

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don't worry just because we're a Catholic. We're not gonna

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say hah, we're not gonna teach you. But we have

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a pretty good perception because I grew up Catholic and

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so that's all I know. But when I grew up,

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my parents weren't really I guess, you say, where if

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like your friends had something going on at their church,

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you know, they had no problem sending you with their

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parents and all that kind of stuff. And I even

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married a Holy roller. Yes she was charismatic or that

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a charismatic prison for excuture. So yeah, so I mean

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I've had experience. But Steph who is a lot more

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I guess you would say devout Catholic than I am.

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But she actually started out Protestant.

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Yeah, well, you know my mom. My mom was raised

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Greek Orthodox, my dad was raised Pentecostal. I think that's

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a pretty cool combination because you've got the history, and

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the Orthodox Church recognizes the Apostolic secession. That's probably the

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main difference. So the Catholic Church has Apostolics succession, and

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I think it's it's really interesting that what is Pope

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Leo today, Like he's only the two hundred and twenty

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first or twenty second pope, you know what number? He is, No,

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not off him, it's but it's not that much if

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you think about it. It's not like we've had thousands

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of popes. It's not that hard to trace back two

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hundred and something years of popes. There's been two hundred

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and something popes, and every single priest that's been ordained,

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a priest has had hands laid on them in prayers

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and gone through an ordination process by a bishop. You

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can trace back to another bishop. You can trace back

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to another bishop who literally, you know, was made bishop

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by these popes. And it's only two hundred and something

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of them, so to sixty six. Okay, there you go.

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So the Catholic Church has apostolic succession and that's real

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and you can't argue it or debate it. It's there.

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And I think a lot of the divide between Protestants

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and Catholics is just just lack of information or just

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ignorance about But you know, there was a show on

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EWT in called The Journey Home that I thought was awesome,

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and there was every single time a lot of people

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would convert. When they would they would just decide that

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they hate it the Catholic Church, and they would go

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to disprove it. One woman was literally an astrophysicist or

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what was it, she was a rocket scientist. You know,

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there's that old saying like what are you a rocket scientist?

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You think you're smarter than everybody. She was a rocket

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scientist for NASA. She hated the church, but she had

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you know, I think there's demons against religion, there's demons

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against authority. She had been involved with a married man

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that brings that opens the door to a lot of

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demonic stuff. She was on the verge of suicide and

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she wanted to and you know, the God overcame her

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Holy Spirit overcamer and she realized there is a God.

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But then she was like, okay, then what's the truth?

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And she set out to disprove the Catholic Church. And

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by the time she researched it for a few weeks

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to write this paper, she decided she needed to convert

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become Catholic.

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That's pretty cool. I think a lot of the divide

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between Catholics and prosiscent Catholics you just kind of I

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think I'm speaking generally, but I think most of them

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don't really care. You know, if you're a Catholic colt,

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you know that you're with us. But if you want

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to be Baptist or Lutheran, or you just do your

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own little thing, okay, whatever. We're the Protestants, the Lutheran's Evangelicals,

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the Presbyterians. If you're a Catholic, then they judge you.

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They're very judgment.

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We'll judge you. But you know, it doesn't work both ways.

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I mean, granted, everybody thinks that people handle snakes in it,

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so at least we have one thing in common, right Well.

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Where just you know, I want to point out, Satan's

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the accuser, the liar, he comes to steal, killing the story.

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Who you know, where does judgmental and has.

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Come from that kind of thing. It's almost like you

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had that one high school growing up that was out

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had the rich high school. You know, they had all

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the money and they were good in sports and all

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that kind of stuff academically, and so everybody just you

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were so envious. You just hated that school. I kind

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of think that's the Catholic Church style about, you know,

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it's the one that they just can't beat, right.

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And I've heard I think Jordan Peterson has said it.

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He's a he's a big apologist. He said, just the

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fact that the Catholic Church has not changed and withstood

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time for two thousand years. It proves when Jesus said, no,

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you know on on this rock, I will build my church.

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In the case of hell will not prevail against it.

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they're constantly schiszming and breaking apart and breaking off and

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they can't they can't agree on this or that or

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this teaching or that teaching. Well, the Catholic Church has

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never broke apart. It has stayed the same. Teaching is

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the same, doctrine sometimes gets defined and deepened, but it's

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never changed. And like I said earlier, like there's I've

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never known a Catholic. I've never known a Protestant person

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to be found incorrupt. And that's pretty common in the

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Catholic world. There's a lot of saints whose bodies never deteriorate,

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and you can see them. They'll be in like glass coffins.

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And there's like four nuns out of this one conda

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in Ecuador? Is it Ecuador? Mother Mary Mariam?

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That so so. This priest had just released a video

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not too long ago that he had gone there to

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pray to ask her to intercede if he's incorrupt. She's

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been dead since the sixteen hundreds. Her body has not

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decayed a bit. She's in this glass coffin, and he

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came just to beg her intercession and to pray for

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these times, this world that we're in right now. And

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I guess the coming shaking that everybody knows is coming.

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And he said, you know, the Holy Spirit never sees

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this to amaze me. I'm never surprised by what it does.

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But the Mother Superior, he goes, this never happens. But

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she came and she was like, hey, father and saying

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it in Spanish. He's like, you want to touch her?

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back and like that never happens. You never get to

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touch the body of an incorrupt person. But he thought,

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you know, this holy Holy woman and all the visions

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of Jesus and Mary that she saw, And the main

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one he went there for is because in the sixteen hundreds,

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Mary had said, shortly after the year two thousand, it

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will be hard to find nearly one innocent person, even

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in children. And at that time, my son and I

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will come back and shackle Satan and bind him and

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convert the world. So that's a pretty you know that

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that's written down. Its prophecy from some sixteen hundreds, and

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she was very clear. Mary said, after the year shortly

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after the year two thousand, and it's true, like we

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it's hard to find an innocent person nowadays. You've got

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these iPhones and you know, all iPads and all this,

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and kids even have them. And anyway, so he goes

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to touch her, and he thinks, I can't touch her anywhere,

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and he's like, I have so much respect for the

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body being a temple, I thought I'll just touch her foot.

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You know, my parents raised me to be respectful of

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the human body. And so he touches her foot and

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he starts and starts shaking her foot, starts moving, and

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he's feeling an electricity come out of her foot is

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just vibrating his whole body. And he's like, the Holy

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Spirit was so strong. And I guess my point is,

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I just have never heard of that happening to a Protestant.

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You know, you have the faith in it whether product

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is and haven't been brought up to have the faith

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in it because one of their basically the differences between

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the basic difference. There's more, but the basic one. Okay,

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the Catholic Church, you know, it starts off of the

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pople system, papal system with the perb. Then you have

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your Eucharist, and then you have you know Pentecost or

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not Pentecosta. You have confession, and then you have basically

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your your saints, and then you have uchars and basically

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it's a what do you call it, it's one row,

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and you know it's organized. Whereas the Protestants, they basically

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they believe in scripture, just the Bible and then that's it. Basically,

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you know the Bible, don't think any further, just go

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off the Bible.

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Well, and most Protestants it's just a lot of information.

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They think they have sacraments, but they don't. And Jesus

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did create the sacraments to be an aqueduct of graces,

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and so you really don't. It's not just faith and belief.

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I know Protestants who actually have way more faith and

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belief than a lot of Catholics on now, of course,

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I mean I will say that a lot a lot

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of the Protestants I'll watch on YouTube that are profits

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and do have propetic gifts. You know, they have way

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more faith than most Catholic Sono. But there is a

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tangible thing about this, about the way grace comes down

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through the sacrament of reconciliation or the eucharists in it.

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That is why a none from the sixteen hundreds can

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there with her body vibrating and it never decay because

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she was taking the Eucharist and she was getting healed

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by reconciliation. And in a nutshell, you know, if you

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want to defend reconciliation, Paul said, what's bound on earth

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is bound in heaven. And I forgive you in the

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person of Christ. He didn't say in the name of Christ.

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He said in the person of Christ. And only a

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priest can operate in the person of Christ. So there's

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my rebuttal. My apologists for reconciliation. The sacrament of confession.

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A huge one basically is the Eucharist. Now in the

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Catholic Church, you know, the holy communion that Catholics believe

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in trum substantia. When the priest is up there, God

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actually comes down and changes that bread and wine into

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the body of Jesus. That miracle takes place where the Protestants,

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some of them, they will do communion and eucharst but

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they don't have it like on a set schedule. It's

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not like every Sunday they go. They might do it

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like once a year or once every six months or

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someone once a month to night. But they think it's

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all they don't believe it it's a miracle. They think

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of it's all just baby believed figuratively. You know, it's

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kind of like it's symbolic.

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They think it's symbolic.

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it truly does get changed into Jesus for us.

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Well, right, And so Father Mark Schmidz had the best

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example of this, and people can find Father Mike Schmidt's

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Google and he's got a huge YouTube channel, professionally produced.

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But he told a story about how when he became

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a priest, his godmother wanted to meet with him, and

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his godmother was not Catholic, and he's so loving that

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he said, I really appreciate it that she took the

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time and wanted to sit down and talk to me,

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and that she was she loved me enough that she

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was concerned about my soul. She loved me enough that

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she was worried about me becoming you know, Catholic. And

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this priest, and she didn't like it at all. And

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so they sit down and talk and he brings up John,

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I should know this. So the whole basis besides the

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fact that we believe that the Euchrist being the body, blood,

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sole in divinity from the beginning, and that even Saint

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Augustine and writings, you know, Saint Augustine on his way

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to be martyred in Rome and the year three hundred,

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was writing about how the Eucharist was truly the body, blood,

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solen divinity of Jesus Christ and he was going to

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die for it. So we have all these writings, We

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have proof that Catholics have believe this from the very beginning.

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But aside from that, if you want to just look

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at scripture. So it's in John. Do you know what

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scripture in John? I should know that it's John sticks

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something anyway where it says, truly, I tell you, unless

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you eat my body and drink my blood, you will

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not have life. So he leads her to that scripture

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and he says, now, look, he says this to a

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multitude of people who had already been following him. They

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had already given up everything for him, They had already

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left their families behind, and many of them that teaching

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was too hard. They turned away. They walked away, and

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he didn't run after them and say, oh wait, I

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was just kidding. I was just talking symbolically, like you know,

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when I said I'm the gate where I'm the Vine's

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you know, he didn't do that. He didn't say, oh,

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I was just kidding. I'm just being symbolic. He looked

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at his apostles and he said, do you also want

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to leave? And they were like, no, Lord, where else

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would we go? You hold the truth? And he said that.

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She said okay, she said, I'll give you that that

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could be one possible interpretation. She goes, I can understand

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why you Catholics believe that that could be one interpretation,

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and he goes, okay, but you have to understand it

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was the only interpretation for sixteen hundred years. For sixteen

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hundred years, there was no other interpretation from the very

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beginning when Christ, you know, ascended into heaven for sixteen

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hundred years, and even Martin Luther. So even Martin Luther

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did not deny the Uker. He actually said, if it

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wasn't so clearly stated in scripture that the Eucharist is real,

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and it's the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ,

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and that we are to have extreme reverence for his

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blessed mother. I would do away with reverence to marry

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and the Eucharist if it wasn't so clearly stated in scripture.

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He said that, so you know, even more than sixteen

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hundred years, it was the only belief. So then all

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of a sudden we just lose part of the story.

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I just think it's like that telephone game where you're

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passing around. Then you just lose the story at some point,

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and you don't even know, you don't even know why

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you disagree with it, and you never had the original

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message or you don't even know what the original message was.

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Right, And then once a generation or two that gets

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away from it, and then they bring up that point, well,

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now they have to justify by not believing, then the eucharists,

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and then they get defensive, and then you're wrong. Right,

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then what's that start thing? You can never come together.

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Again exactly exactly. And I think, you know, back to

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the little guy that I talked to today, he really said,

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I hate going to church because these churches that my

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my Grandma's go to. He's like, everybody talks about each

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other and they're backstabbing, and he's like, and it's all

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about the music or the preacher. And he's like, it's

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not even about Jesus. And I said, well, I said,

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I'm Catholic. And I said, one thing the Catholic Catholic

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Church has maintained throughout history. I was like, you know

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that the music is not allowed to be up in

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the front, it's in the back, or it's up above

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you in the far loft. I was like, the preacher

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is not allowed to stand in the middle of the altar.

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He's off to the side. I'm like, it's all about Jesus.

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You're not there for the preacher or the priest. In

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our case, you're not there for the music. You're you're

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there to take part in the sacrifice and the life, death,

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and resurrection of Jesus. So it's all about him. I said,

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that's a key difference.

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Right, and a lot of it. That's one of their

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biggest things you already tested on earlier is Mary. They

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do not like the fact that the Catholics, you know,

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they ask for Mary's intercession. They believe it's bait, borders

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on idolatry, and they do not get it. And it's

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like it says, right, then there Mary, pray for us.

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You know. It's not like we're praying to you. We

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want your help.

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And I one Baptist preacher convert just because the scripture

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really took hold of him where it says, well, she said,

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all generations shall call me blessed, which we do in

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every mass, and every single mass we say blessed Mary,

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ever virgin, pray, you know, pray for part of our mass.

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And he said, I realized, like I've never once mentioned

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in any of my services that Mary is blessed, and

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it's right there in scripture that all generations shall call

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me blessed.

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Right, And it's kind of like it's almost kind of

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like you're digging your heels in because you can't really

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argue with it, but you just, well, it's idolatry. That's

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the If you just read it at face value, I

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guess you could probably get that, you know that, oh

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you know, but it's not that way now.

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And to me, it's just like the Catholic faith is

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in full color, and it's so deep and it's so

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rich and the Protestants don't realize that they're living it

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in black and white. It's not it doesn't go deep

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enough because when you when you want to peel back

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the layers and marry there's there's so much we could

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do twenty episodes on her, But as far as I'm concerned,

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still lover so much. But you know, she is the

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Ark of the New Covenant. She carried you know, Jesus

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is the New Covenant. He's the Word made flesh. Well,

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the arc was always revered. I mean, if you even

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touched the ark, you were struck dead by God. Right,

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the ark was so revered. Well, she's the Ark of

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the New Covenant. She carried him in her womb for

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nine months, She lived with him, she raised him. He

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was obedient to her, doesn't I mean, if you just

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think about that on a deep level, Like she shared

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a heartbeat with him. She's the only human being to

468
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.480
ever share DNA with God, with the creator of the universe.

469
00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.839
Like he was obedient to her. She lived with him.

470
00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.200
Let alone, would it not transform you to live with

471
00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.599
God for that amount of time or to have him

472
00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.319
inside you? But even today we know that that a

473
00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:47.000
mother and their child always have the same DNA. There

474
00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:50.200
are traces of the child's DNA and a mother in

475
00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:53.400
a mother's body forever. And we know that Mary's body

476
00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:55.279
is with her in heaven. The only two people who

477
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:58.359
have their actual human bodies with them in heaven. And

478
00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:01.200
we will you know, after the final judgment. But our

479
00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.519
Jesus and Mary. That's it, right.

480
00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:05.759
And then they talk about the saints, Well, how can

481
00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:08.200
you pray to this? And I heard this one guy

482
00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.799
not too long ago. He's a friend of mine. Actually

483
00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:13.359
he's a doesn't have a church, but he's a preacher,

484
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:16.839
and he was talking basically all the negatives of the

485
00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:19.680
Catholic Church. You know, it's like, like I said, they'll

486
00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:21.519
bring up all the negatives of the Catholic Church, but

487
00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.519
the Catholic Church really doesn't acknowledge all the negatives of them.

488
00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:26.920
You know. It's kind of like and if you listen

489
00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:29.079
to them, and if you read the Bible like that

490
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.880
you're supposed to basically, you're not supposed to point out

491
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.480
some of these negatives. That's God's job.

492
00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:38.440
And this Bible they cling to so totally. I just

493
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.599
have to say, you wouldn't have the Bible if the

494
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:43.279
Catholic Church had not formed the Bible, and then you

495
00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:45.680
have centuries of monks who devoted their whole life to

496
00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:49.119
copying that so that we are preserving it. I mean

497
00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.799
the Catholic The Bible is a Catholic book.

498
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.400
Period, right, But they don't do that because they go

499
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.119
by King James's that's different.

500
00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.000
It's not different, I mean different, it's the same Bible.

501
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:02.839
But then so anyway he was talking about it, So

502
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.920
see how far Catholics are off is you look at

503
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.559
any of Jesus apostles. They didn't pray the saints, And

504
00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.079
I just went, well, no, because they were the first ones.

505
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.440
Who are they supposed to pray to? Right right? I mean,

506
00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:16.359
and I don't.

507
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.319
And all a saint is is somebody who you recognize

508
00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.759
for sure has made it into heaven. And like my

509
00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:24.240
priest friend says, the only people in heaven are angels

510
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:27.759
and saints. So here's the argument for purgatory. Are you

511
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.720
completely perfect in a saint the moment you die. Probably not.

512
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.319
So there's a purification process you're going to need to

513
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.240
go through, because nobody gets to Heaven that's not completely purified,

514
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:40.680
that's not completely loved. How could you be in heaven

515
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.720
in this you know that the light would be too blinding.

516
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:45.920
You couldn't take it. Like you know, it's like you

517
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.160
have to get the process you have to go through

518
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.160
to to become that much light where you can enter

519
00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.160
into the light. It's just a process of purification.

520
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.160
And when you come along with the pope, then of

521
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.960
course there's the cardinals and the bishops and the priests

522
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:02.000
and all that kind of stuff. Catholics, you it's hard

523
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:03.160
to become a priest.

524
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:03.440
You know.

525
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:05.200
You have to go to school, you have to be

526
00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:07.079
you have to go through a lot. You can't just

527
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:10.240
go there. Now, they do have seminaries and the Protestant churches,

528
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.000
don't get me wrong, and they will go to study it.

529
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:13.640
But you don't have to. I mean, one of the

530
00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:16.559
biggest churches out there right now, he even admits he

531
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:18.599
never went to seminary, and yet he's got a ten

532
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.079
thousand seed arena that he preaches to on TV every

533
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.680
single day. So you don't have to you don't have

534
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.559
to be blessed, you don't have to any You can

535
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.160
become a Protestant minister whenever you want. But there are

536
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.160
a lot of really good ones. I'm not going to

537
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.240
deny that. I mean, there are some really good guys

538
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.640
that you know are definitely speaking from God. But that's

539
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.359
another big one when they talk about the differences between

540
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.440
the two churches, the process for becoming a leader of.

541
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:43.200
Your church, right, and the priests give up everything to

542
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.920
follow Christ. Everything they're not allowed to have. I mean,

543
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.279
they give up their possessions. They don't they're not allowed

544
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.200
to make maybe over forty thousand a year, and most

545
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.359
of the priests, I know, I've I've seen people give

546
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.640
priests checks and money and all kinds of stuff for

547
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.640
like their birthday or Christmas, and then you know, as

548
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:01.720
work for the church, I stand put it right back in.

549
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.119
They don't keep it. And it's just like you can't.

550
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:07.519
You give up sex, you give up having a family

551
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.640
and being a father, you give up my I mean,

552
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.359
these these preachers can make and some of them do,

553
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:17.240
driving around in cars and living in mansions, and you know,

554
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.000
it's just there's no cap there's no cap on it.

555
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.640
And likely do give up everything to follow Christ. And

556
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.720
they're not even in the same location more than six years.

557
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:29.880
They just passed that role. They want to move them around,

558
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.799
so you're not getting attached to your surroundings. You're constantly

559
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.119
moving wherever the Holy Spirit leads, and it really is

560
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.640
a life centered on sacrifice and Christ where preachers are

561
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:43.039
not centered on sacrifice.

562
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.880
Right And okay, so then the core of the churches,

563
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:49.400
all right, what do you have to do to get

564
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.319
to heaven? That's the big one, right, that's going to

565
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.119
had forward, regardless of who's right on whether you bring

566
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.200
to the saints and who does this, how do you

567
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.640
get to heaven? Well, the Catholics, you have to have

568
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.160
faith in Jesus and you have to participate in good

569
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.240
works that prove that you love Jesus. You have to

570
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.200
go along with sacraments into your ax of charity. Now,

571
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.880
basically in the Protestant religion, all you really have to

572
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:14.200
do is you have to believe in Jesus. They believe

573
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.160
that he is a free gift from God and if

574
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.000
once you receive him that you're automatically in heaven. Say,

575
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:20.720
and they believe that, well, if you do good works,

576
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.559
that's a result of your faith. It's not. They don't

577
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:25.599
believe that you do good works that proves it. So

578
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.599
it's kind of back versus where you're a Catholic you

579
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.519
think that you know, I need I got this money,

580
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.559
I'm going to build an orphrianage. They think that, no,

581
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.599
if I build an orphanage, well then that's because I

582
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.480
have received God. So they don't believe that any you can.

583
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:39.599
They don't believe you can do anything to get into heaven.

584
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.279
Well, and I'll defend some of the Protestants there because

585
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.359
like you said, the Protestants are all over the place.

586
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.440
There's no one teaching, like the Catholic Church has one

587
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.119
teaching and we have the magisterium that's been in place

588
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:54.279
from the beginning, so our teaching is very clear and defined,

589
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.480
and Protestants don't have that. They don't have a clear, defined,

590
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.880
organized structure, so they're all the place on that. Like

591
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.640
I do know some Protestants that would say if you're

592
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.240
not repenting, then you can lose salvation, that you can

593
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.720
get saved. You know, they think you received Jesus one

594
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.359
time and you're saved. That if you fall into sin

595
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.359
and you don't repent, then you're not saved. I know

596
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.559
Protestants to believe that. I know some that don't. You know,

597
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.640
if they're kind of all over the board with it

598
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.960
because there's not a unified teaching. In the Protestant world,

599
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:27.480
it's just all over the place. And you know, God's

600
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.039
not a god of confusion. I heard somebody say one time,

601
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:32.880
he didn't come down here and suffer like he did

602
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.200
to create his church so that we could have all

603
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:38.839
these different fractions and be confused about things.

604
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.680
No, I agree, And I think both Catholics and Protestants

605
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:46.039
though it's your responsibility and not the church. I think

606
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:50.240
it's your responsibility to actually live as Jesus wants you

607
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:54.119
to live. You know, you can't just go into whatever

608
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:55.839
church you go to and once a week and pay

609
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.039
your tithe and then go home and then not worry

610
00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:00.000
about it until the next week. You have to live.

611
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.359
And no matter who you are, whether you're it's not

612
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.039
neither one's going to get you into heaven unless you

613
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:05.960
live like Jesus wants you to live right.

614
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.839
And I know Protestants who are really great at it,

615
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:10.799
and I know Catholics that are really great at it,

616
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:12.839
and I know Catholics that are not good at it

617
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.759
and are hypocrites. And I know Protestants who are hypocrites.

618
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.480
So I think that's kind of at least that's where

619
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.920
we at least, that's the common ground we have, right.

620
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.599
And it's what boggles my mind. And I mean, I'll

621
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.680
be honest with you, most fights or disagreements or to me,

622
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.000
you're kind of stupid. They're usually lots of times you

623
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.240
believe the same thing. But then you know you've been

624
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.559
in an argument where you're both arguing, but you're both

625
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:38.759
actually arguing the same point.

626
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.279
Right, right, as long as yeah, we should focus on

627
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.799
what we have in common, which we believe Jesus is

628
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:46.880
the truth, the way in the life, and that's it.

629
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.359
But you have to wonder how powerful the church would

630
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:53.680
actually be if everybody, like every election cycle, the whole

631
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.839
church got together and said, okay, what do we believe

632
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.880
and everybody came together and that's who they would vote for, Yeah,

633
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.680
and voting your belief and not you know, like I

634
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.440
think you guys all know what kind of some of

635
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:08.119
the topics that would you could actually overturn almost anything, Yeah,

636
00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:08.720
you could.

637
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.079
If we were all following Christ, which is what he wanted.

638
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.680
And you know, the political systems would change, the world

639
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.640
would change, everything would change, and that would be nice.

640
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.759
That would be nice. Well, according to that little nun

641
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:25.200
in Ecuador that was alive in the sixteen hundreds, we're

642
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.960
getting ready to experience because this is I would say,

643
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.799
this is shortly after the year two thousand, where it's

644
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.960
hard to find an innocent soul. So that prophecy about

645
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.559
marrying Jesus coming back and converting every heart and binding

646
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.720
up satan, I think, I think we're really soon to

647
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:42.559
see that. I actually think you and I are going

648
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:43.640
to see that in our lifetime.

649
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.720
Yeah, I hope. So one thing tomorrow is nine to eleven,

650
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.319
the anniversary of that nine to eleven terrorist attack, And

651
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.079
if you're old enough to really remember it as horrific

652
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.759
as it was, something about that for about two weeks

653
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.319
was I guess you have to have if there's bad,

654
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:00.839
there's going to be good. Right, Well, the good that

655
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.839
came out of it, for about two weeks, our entire country,

656
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.119
for the only times in our life time was right

657
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:09.720
basically united. You know, we all were one and a

658
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.279
couple of weeks of that that was actually really nice.

659
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.079
It was just sad, but I mean it was actually

660
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:15.960
really nice to have that united front like that.

661
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:17.920
I actually think we're about to go into times like

662
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.920
that that you're going to see through through things like

663
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:24.720
that happening or famine or war or what or disease.

664
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.599
You're We're going to be so pressed down by God's hand,

665
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.039
and it's not going to be by evil. It's going

666
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.519
to be by God's own hand. And he's doing it

667
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.200
to bring us back into alignment with him. Like you said,

668
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.599
like we were all unified, we were one. It brought

669
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.400
out the best in people, and people were helping people

670
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.359
and praying for people. And I think we're about to

671
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:44.160
see those times.

672
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.599
That's true. So I mean it's that's the kind of

673
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.079
a refreshment when you can actually turn on the TV

674
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.000
or open the book or something and just have you know,

675
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:54.920
not that's wrong, that's wrong. I can't believe you doing that.

676
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.960
Well, everybody's just against everybody, I know, I know that's

677
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.759
it's not in God's hor He wants us to love

678
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.920
each other and to be one church really and to

679
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.079
have one shepherd, one church. That's what he said.

680
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:09.880
You know, we just said this is not even on topic,

681
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.640
but we were talking about the works where the Catholic Church

682
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.160
believes you have to do charitable works in order to

683
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.319
get into heaven, where the Protestants they don't believe that

684
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:23.400
you have to do anything. But I was just wondering here. Okay,

685
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.160
let's say you lived sixty five years and you just

686
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.000
lived in normal life. You weren't a bad person, but

687
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.799
you weren't religious or anything like that. Now you have

688
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.880
a lot of money and you're kind of sitting there

689
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.279
and you're thinking, and you start checking out God and

690
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.559
you kind of realize that, Man, I didn't live anti God.

691
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:44.160
I didn't worship the devil, but I didn't really worship

692
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.960
Jesus the way I am and needs to know, Hey, God,

693
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.599
I'm going to build this children's hospital. You know, well,

694
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.200
that showed my devotion for you to get me into heaven.

695
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.240
What do you think The answer is, I think.

696
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.000
It depends on your heart while you're doing. If I

697
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.519
don't think, I think then the Catholic belief is a

698
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.240
little deeper than that. Like you said, I don't think

699
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.880
Catholics actually believe that you have to do charitable works

700
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:10.000
to get into heaven. They actually believe that are you

701
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.359
truly have you truly given your will in your life

702
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.960
to Christ? If you're not doing terrible work? Because if

703
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.160
you truly had, then you would want to and you

704
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.599
would do it. So I guess it's just showing the fruit,

705
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.279
like you know, the tree by the fruit it bearers. Right,

706
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:25.680
So I guess it depends on your heart and why

707
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.079
you're doing why you're building that hospitals, And if you're

708
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.279
doing it because you truly love God and the Holy

709
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.000
Spirit's moving you to do that, then I don't think

710
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.839
you even get into heaven. I don't think it. I'll

711
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.039
look at it as like heaven is something you become,

712
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.960
and that's the whole purpose of purgatory, Like you have

713
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.039
to become heaven. It's within you.

714
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.359
So this is pat yourself on the back for a

715
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.039
quick second here. So if I'm this rich guy and

716
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.359
I said, you know what, that heaven after life, that

717
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.599
looks pretty good. I'm going to build this hospital. Okay, God,

718
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.680
here's one hundred million dollars build this hospital, versus you

719
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.680
helping that poor confused gay kid, you know, bringing God.

720
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:04.720
What do you think brother brings a smile more to

721
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:05.519
Jesus's face.

722
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.960
Well, that's sweet of you to say, yeah, I think

723
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.079
he cares more about us being humble and just trying

724
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.360
to go about our day to to just because we

725
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.239
actually do love people. And you know, I don't want

726
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.119
that God to feel You're right, that came from a

727
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.280
place deep in my heart where I could feel God's

728
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.000
love and I don't I don't want him to think

729
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.280
that God doesn't love him.

730
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.079
Yeah, that's true, and I don't think we want to.

731
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.320
We don't want anybody not to feel God loving. That's

732
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.480
kind of way go to church. You got to start somewhere.

733
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:35.719
Read this book.

734
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.519
Right, and but you know the Saints Mother Teresa did

735
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.679
such a good she was like it just all starts

736
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.039
with a smile. And sometimes like if you if you're

737
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.280
the only version or gospel anybody ever reads, if you

738
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.800
just smile at somebody and you're kind to him, you know,

739
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:51.920
maybe they're going to experience God through you and they

740
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.320
won't even know that it's God, but maybe it'll plan

741
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.840
a seed and help them get a little closer to Well. Yeah,

742
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:00.280
I just think we have to love people.

743
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.719
Right, and some just to follow you up. A lot

744
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.199
of times, well I don't know what the attendance rate is,

745
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.519
but for a lot of people out there, and you're

746
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:11.320
as close as they're going to get to a preacher

747
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.639
or a minister or a pope or anything like that,

748
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.519
you're going to be the one that they go they

749
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.920
look at more than they are any kind of actual

750
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.400
authoritive figure. Yeah.

751
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.239
I mean, and God uses you, man. I mean if

752
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.039
you want, if you give your life to him and

753
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.559
you're like, okay, God use me, he will. Like there's

754
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.360
a lot of days where I don't know. It's like,

755
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.880
you're like, are you even listening to some of my needs?

756
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.239
I've told you a few things I need here. Baby,

757
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.159
He's like, okay, but I want you to love this guy.

758
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.840
And then you know, like three things happened today, Like

759
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:43.880
the producer I talked to I ended up talking about

760
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.039
the Catholic faith. And then this lady walks up to

761
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:49.559
me and she's like, hey, I know you your Beth and

762
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.440
I'm like, no, I'm Stephanie. And I'm like I know

763
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.360
you too, and she's like I said, how do I

764
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:55.480
know you? And we're just looking at each other. This

765
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:57.519
is one of the most wealthy women in Nashville, by

766
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.800
the way, and it clicked out like your daughter got

767
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.360
me married at Cathedral of the Incarnation, didn't she? And

768
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.199
she said yes, And I said I'm the one who

769
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:08.079
portinated her wedding and she's like that's right. And so

770
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.119
it was just like and then he was like, oh,

771
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.480
you were a wedding coordinator at the church. And then

772
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:14.440
he started saying, well, what did you have to do

773
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.079
for the church, And then it led me into this

774
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.400
whole Catholic discussion. So it's like, you just never know

775
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.360
how God's going to work.

776
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:24.079
Yeah, that's true, man, I don't know if we cleared

777
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:25.880
anything up for you or not. At least we got it.

778
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.079
I don't know. Hey, but do check out that. Can

779
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.480
you link that video about the nun because that's a

780
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.360
that's a great video. And I mean if there's somebody

781
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.719
whose body's not rotting and still vibrating with electricity because

782
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:43.760
she was a Catholic nun who took the Eucharist every day,

783
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.400
that's got to mean something to somebody, right.

784
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.280
No, I think I'd love to see something like that,

785
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.079
But then I don't know. Part of my mind says

786
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.519
I might freak out take out for her, and I

787
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:52.960
don't know.

788
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:54.880
I don't think it would freak me out. I think

789
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:56.840
I'd love it.

790
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.920
Yeah, it's yeah, I don't know how that happens. I mean,

791
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.880
because I mean, at least like in the mummies, you know,

792
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.440
they preserved them, they took out their idol organs, so

793
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.159
they didn't you know, decompose and all this kind of stuff,

794
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.800
and they I mean, yeah, those ones, they just are

795
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:12.400
still there.

796
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.239
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing. It's the incorrupt, but there's

797
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.760
several of them. You can google incorrupt Saints and it's

798
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.119
just amazing how many of them there are. There's quite

799
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:21.400
a few.

800
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.360
We'll get into saints too, and if you want to,

801
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.880
we'll give a link to you can start listening to

802
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.239
us on Catholic one on one. I think you guys

803
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:31.000
are like those stories and kind of like refresh. Basically,

804
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.480
it's like cliff Notes for Catholics.

805
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.360
So yeah, let the love flow. Go out and love

806
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.559
each other and be prepared for spiritual warfare too though,

807
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.079
because I'll tell you I came home to busted plumbing

808
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.440
and having to clean up all kinds of crap in

809
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.559
my new town home. So I was like, all right,

810
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.639
is what I get for evangelizing today, But don't let

811
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:50.840
us stop you, and you gotta.

812
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.199
Be grave right and he'll help you out. It could

813
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.119
have been worse, right.

814
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:55.960
We could have been worse. God is good.

815
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:57.239
Didn't cost you any money.

816
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.480
It didn't cost me any money. You're right, well, yeah,

817
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.679
it didn't cost me that much money.

818
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.920
Well, thank you'all forgetting another episode of These Days with

819
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.440
Jeff and Steph. Now now here's hoping that you don't

820
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:08.880
lose hope.

821
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.719
And just to remember, whether you're a Protestant or Catholic,

822
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:12.800
we are all in it together.