My Co-Host is Hunter Price, We discuss coaching, faith, Kirk Cousins, Kirk Herbstreit, Anthony Munoz, Eddie Gaedel & a lot more.

0:16 Well, hello everyone. I am Jeff and welcome to Sports History Today. We're going to talk all about what happened in the world of sports throughout history on August the nineteenth. Now on most of your mamby pamby little podcast out there, if the co host is feeling a little ill, or they're heard or something, sure they just postponed. Not on a sports podcast, Mark, we have to go pull through, just like my co host is going to do today. How are you doing there today. Hunter, Jeff, thanks for having me. You're right, I am under the weather. But that's when it's most important to show some grit in athletics. When you're not feeling it. You wake up, your throat's a little sore, your ankle is a little sore, whatever it might be. Jeff, you got to lock in. Your team needs you, and I committed to this podcast. So I'm ready to go a little under the weather. And thanks for having me.

1:00 Man, I guess that's nice. I could have joined the sprinklers off on last night and gave us a rain to lay, but no, you're not going to do that. Absolutely absolutely, So. You're in the Denver area and I'm super interested in that area. Jeff, because my brother moved out there yesterday and I just heard amazing things about that area of the country, the mountains, activities, people being outside. So I'm pretty jealous of you and him. Yeah, an exciting time. Like you said that, a lot of optimism this year for the Broncos when we've got the Nuggets, who always a contender. I can't forget about the Avalanche either. Absolutely. No, I'm not a huge hockey guy. There's not really any teams near us in Springfilldinois, you know, Chicago, which that's a decent drive. Big Nuggets guy. I love Jokic.

1:44 I think he is entering like top ten NBA all time range. And if you don't agree with that, I think you're a little bit of a hater. And I'm not even a Nuggets fan. So and the Broncos are my sleeper playoffs in this year. I've got two playoff teams i'm pretty high on that weren't great last year, Broncos and the Buccaneers. So those are the teams I'm right in this year. You know, I just saw yesterday, remember Gruden. Absolutely, he predicted without a doubt the Buccaneers are going to win the Super Bowl this year. You know what, I'm a little bummed because these are my two stealth on the rise teams. I've started to see it more in the media, and it makes it look less stealth when people are talking about them.

2:29 See we got see we got it on there today, so you can always go, hey, I predicted it on you know Meaca in April, all right, in at the beginning of August. Anyway, That's absolutely true because I think the Buccaneers have consistency in pro sports. Now, in college sports, consistency is so rare with all the player movement, salary cap and things like that. And they have one of the few teams that it seems like most of their guys have been there for a while. And I think that is extremely valuable in sports. And I never did figure out Chicago or not Chicago Cleveland what they were doing with Mayfield. They didn't make any sense. I mean, he was given them the best that had in years, and all of a sudden they just kind of ran him out of town. That's got to be one of the biggest regrets in their franchise's history, and that's there's a lot of regrets for Browns fans that they could have. There's got to be a lot of them. But they got rid of the guy who showed a lot of grit, who loved the city. Not many people love the city. He loved the city. He showed talent and promise, and he was dealing with a brutal shoulder injury and played through it for his team, and then they cut him directly after that, they got rid of them, And I thought, man, what a big bummer it is that they have someone who loves Cleveland. So if you're not small town, blue collar America, you want someone who loves your small town like a honess in Milwaukee. And he did, and now he's thriving.

3:46 That's got to be a big time regret for them. Yeah, good for him. I'd rather be in Tampa than Cleveland. Too, No shade of Cleveland, but me too. So up there, White Sox are a Cubs fan. I gotta tell you, the Cardinals run pretty deep. I think most people associate Illinois with Chicago, so they just assume you live in Illinois, you must be a Chicago fan. But Saint Louis Cardinals are actually in the closer proximity to most of the state, and they dominate the region. I know people in Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee. There are huge Cardinals fans. And if you go to a Cardinals game, it's one of the few MLB teams that treats it like an event. Everyone's watching, the stadium sold out.

4:29 They love their baseball in Saint Louis. Yeah, and they've been good for what one hundred years or something like that. I mean, they've always been good. It seems like, I mean, they have the little spurts, but. That definitely helps. Being good definitely helps be a fan of that team. Yeah, we used to have a major league team, but now we have the Colorado Rockies. I don't know what they are, that's right. And you guys gave the Cardinals holiday back in the day, and that was a pretty good gift. Oh yeah, and I don't even know is Nolan or Navista there? Off the top of my head, I don't see. Here's a deal, Jeff. I'm not a huge baseball fan. I guess I should have answered your question first. If I'm not a huge fan, I am a fan of sports that move quickly. Because I'm a millennial child and we are plagued by instant culture. So baseball is a heart is a hard watch admittedly.

5:17 Yeah, and you're a basketball guy too, right. Big basketball guy as a high school basketball coach for eight years up in Wisconsin, and we had a great run, had school records and coaching awards, and then felt a mixture of burnout but also just a clear call from the Lord to step aside and go into ministry. So now I'm a pastor, and so I operate out of the church in Springfield, Illinois, and I own a content company where we produce blogs and podcasts and articles, and I do some speaking and leadership coaching as well. So yes, love basketball. Oh cool. And we'll get to your pastoring and your content and your podcast as we go out throughout the show.

5:58 Do you want to start off to day time? Well, then in Springfield, you're pretty close to Indiana. Are you a fan of the Indianapolis five hundred? You know what, my grandfather was a huge fan, and when he was alive, I would sit down and kind of watch, you know, off hand, So I wasn't super into it, but he loved it. And whenever you have a family member you revere, you kind of takeing what they take in so I'm familiar with it and I'm super intrigued by the concept. So kind of but why don't you go ahead? Okay? Well, they held the first Indy five hundred in nineteen eleven, but the Indianapolis Motor Speedway had been built before that. They held their first big race in nineteen oh nine. It was for the Presta Life Cup. It was one hundred laps, which is two hundred fifty miles. Nine cars started the race. Oh while Bob Berman he won the race. Only three cars finished that race, but one of the drivers and his mechanics they were actually killed during the crash. And a lot of people don't realize that. If you look at those old videos of the racers drivers back, it was always a driver and they had mechanic in their car with them. So if they were going around the track or something like that and they need a gas or retire, the mechanic would just hop out and fix the car right on the road.

7:00 Oh my goodness. You know what shocks me, Jeff, is how few injuries there actually are if you really think about it, and how how fast and dangerous that whole concept is. It's pretty shocking that that doesn't happen more often. Oh, exactly. So as a coach, when you were up, there was there one school that you just could not beat. Yes, there was in my conference. Actually, even we had the best years. In twenty twenty two, we had a state run and it was kind of a Cinderella story where we beat several high seats in the tournament. And even in that year, there's a school in Beloit, Wisconsin, and we just could not win there. And part of it was their gym had this just dark five. The bleachers were small on one side, and it was kind of like a cavern, and I really think that entered our psyche, and we just could not win a game there.

7:51 So I went everywhere in our conference, in our county, in our area except Beloit. I think that's how the Cincinnati felt about a future Hall of Fame pitcher. His name was Christy Mathison. Christy had beat him twenty two straight games in a row. I mean we're not even talking like no decisions. He had beaten him twenty two games in a row. Yeah. But today nineteen eleven, the Reds finally got him. They got him seven to four. Nineteen twenty one Detroit Tigers ty Cob. He became the fourth player to get three thousand hits. He was only thirty four years old at the time, so that was the youngest player to do it. Today there have been thirty three a tay Cob. He ended up for four eighty nine hits that second to Pete Rose two and fifty six hits all time. You're wondering thirty three players in baseball history have gotten to three thousand hits. Nineteen forty one, in the second game of a doubleheader. It was in Brooklyn, now the Pittsburgh Pirates.

8:38 They were playing the Brooklyn Dodgers, and it was a gray, rainy day who kind of drizzled and rained all day long. In the second game, the manager for Pittsburgh, his name was Frankie Frisch, came out of the dugout holding an umbrella to protest the weather conditions. Well the Empire Jock O Cullen, he didn't like that at all. He kicked him out. Didn't matter. Dodgers won both ends of the game. Let me ask you a question, Jeff, real quick. I hate to interrupt you, and this maybe it's a podcast, so it's me. Have you seen the Savannah Bananas. They were just in Denver this last weekend. Okay, so whenever you talked about the hijinks of baseball, I think they're onto something because I have a co host on my podcasts. He was drafted by the Braves and played a high level college baseball and he doesn't even watch baseball because, like I said, our generation has that desire for constant dopamine hits and baseball it takes a while, it takes patience, right, and the Savannah Bananas have unlocked something I've heard and seen on the internet.

9:34 They're selling out football fields to watch these baseball games. Do you like what they're doing or do you think it's an insult to the game. No, I really like it. Well, like i'd hear, the big deal was when they came to coors Field, you know, outside of Wrigley or is it Stokaminski. I don't know, but anyway, just the regular Major League baseball stadium. They sold out the entire weekend series in four hours. Wow. Wow, I mean, but it's really cool. It's a spectacle on TV too. You're kind of mesmerized by it. Like I've told you, I'm not a huge baseball watcher and they came across my TV the other day and I stayed with them for a little bit and I was like, this is interesting. So I think they might be onto something here.

10:15 I are I mean, baseball's tried. I mean now they have a I can call it a shot clock, but it's basically the clock to try and get the pitchers and actually throw the ball. So they're trying to get a fast moving but it's just the way the sport is is just not made for any kind of pace pretty much absolutely. Now the kids, the kids nowadays, it's you know, their at tension spans getting shorter and shorter by the year. I don't want to sound like an old man here, but it's going to be harder and harder to engage them in that game. And you're reading off all these legends ty Cob, Pete Rose, and I just wonder where baseball will fall in that next generation of any kind of relevance, because if you ask the average high schooler who certain baseball players are, I don't think they can tell you more than four or five f other than Otany, Bryce Harper, baby Mike Trout. Which is it super interesting?

11:04 Yeah, because like you said, I mean, we haven't gotten into this legend. In nineteen fifty one, have you ever heard of Eddie Gable? Eric Gagle? I did not until the pre show notes. Well, Eddie, he became the smallest player to ever appear in a Major League baseball game. Eddie, he staid three feet seven inches tall, weighed sixty pounds. Sure he did some entertaining on the side. Well, Saint Lunis brown is their owner, and Bill Vick he actually signed Eddie to a contract to play for him, but notre to do it. He submitted it to the league late on a Friday afternoon when he knew they just rubber stamped the contract and then he'd they'd look at it closer. On Monday morning. Well, in the second game of a doubleheader against the sat Or Saint Louis Browns. They're playing the Detroit Tigers. First inning. At the bottom of the first inning, oh, three foot seven inch Eddie. He had the number one eighth on the back of his jersey. He walked up to the plate. Well, the umpire was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no get away. And so the manager for the Browns he already had it. He came out and gave him the contract that was approved, and so the Empire he's like, well, okay, well Eddie bill Beck. He covered his backside too, though, so he told Eddie, he said, if you ever swing, I will I'll have you shot. So Eddie knew he was supposed to get up there put the bat on his shoulder, you know, because Eddie was an entertainer, so he thought, well he might try and actually swing at one of these. So Eddie gets up there and he gets into his scouch. Well, the pitcher for the Tigers, you know, he's six feet tall, so he's twenty in twenty nine inches taller than Eddie. He is just laughing so hard. He couldn't believe the absurdity the Eddie to pitch this guy. Well, the catcher, he just got down on his knees and you'll thought, hey, he might want to keep these pitches low. So the guy first two pitches,

12:35 he'd actually did throw them and try and get you know, but they were both high. So then he just kind of lobbed the next one, and so Eddie got a walk on four straight balls. So it's Eddie's going to first base. He stopped twice to take bows in front of the eighteen thousand crowd. There they're giving him a standing ovation and all that kind of stuff. Then Eddie, he was replaced by pitch Runner Browns. They still lost sixty two. So that's kind of Savannah Banana like it is. And I have two major thoughts after hearing this story. Number One, I've always been a huge advocator for an NFL team signing. Let's say Dwight Howard. You can't tell me that when they get in the red zone and they have Dwight Howard just run five yards and they just throw a jump ball up in the air. He dunked on a twelve foot hoop and a done contest fairly easily, right, So you can't tell me that that wouldn't be an extreme advantage and he would probably get that ball ninety five percent of the time, those jump balls are thrown out a thirty percent, so I would think there'd be more gimmicks like this in athletics. You tried to find someone who is exceptionally suited physically to take advantage of something in the game, which I thought was finding. The second thing is real short and sweet.

13:40 Jeff Detroit seems like a city that's known for something like this, and that's just maybe my shade as a Packers fan to the alliance. But those are my two thoughts. So you're a Packers guy yet, major, I haven't missed a Packers game in about twenty years. So you were you happy as the Love takeover? I was on the side of Rogers, and it's hard. It's really hard because of who he is as a person. How it's hard to defend his character as a football player. I never wanted to give up on Rogers, and I know Green Bay's probably smart for moving on early rather than late. And I think Love the jury is still out. I'm a I'm a realistic fan. I'm not one of those it's always positive all the time. I think he has shown a side of being really good, but he also has lost a lot of big games. So I think I need to see a big winner two this year, not just beating the five hundred teams.

14:37 Right were you were you born when Rogers took over for FARV I was. I was pretty young yet I think I was in middle school. So I actually became a Packers fan from Illinois because they'd be on Monday night all the time. Because of Far Right, and he had so much fun and it was like a really cool team to watch and root for, and it was super exciting, and I just kind of stuck with it. And you know, I'm a sentimental guy. So if I remember back, I think I wanted Rogers. I'm glad they took him, but I think I wanted far to stick it out through till the end. I'm a pretty sentimental guy. Jet. I think that's what I'm learning as I'm speaking right now. No, I get that because it's like Karen Denver least, you know, we had Lway the entire time. You know, he retired her, and with far Are you kind of like he still wanted to see him walk out as a Packer, not as a Viking.

15:27 Yeah. Yeah. And you know it's interesting because as a Packers fan, you know, you're probably not going to be signing a bunch of free agents like we We inherently know that that's not what we do. And also, guys don't want to go live up north in a small town as opposed to tropical cities in the winter, right, So so that that drafting that quarterback is so important, It is so important, So I understand them wanting to get ahead of Rogers leagues. It's not like we're just going to go out and sign the next best guy. We're going to have to keep drafting while and invest in that. So I understand why they did it, but I still thought Rogers had a lot of juice left in which he did. I think he went MVP the next two years after that, so I don't know. We'll see about Love. I think it's a big year for him.

16:13 Was Adams just a head case for the whole organization and that's why they had to get away from him. I don't think he was. I think Adams was really solid. I think Adams left because he was really good friends with Carr from President State, who is the Raiders quarterback, and he wanted to move back out west because he was from that area of the country, so it made sense for him to go to Las Vegas with his buddy at Derek Carr, and him and Rodgers were really close, and I still think they are because I watched all those Pat mcafeeer and Rodgers episodes of the podcast Weekly Podcast, and I don't think either one of them had anything negative to say about each other. And he was blessed with some great receivers. You have Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, on and on and on. So I don't think there was any attention there.

16:58 So as a pastor, we'll talk about this throughout the show too. As a pastor, do you think what David Carr did this year's probably one of the most selfless things probably done in sports history. I think I think he's been someone I've really admired. As it's hard to I want to be careful I say this because you don't want to judge people, but you can tell through the TV screen whose faith is like a parent and real, and Car's faith has been and I think like Nick Foles, for example, he left football to go into pastoring. I think he wrote a book after two and I think people are starting to realize that being a Christian Schoolian, you know, there's this wave kind of coming through people realizing I can love God and still have success in life, or I don't even need the success in money because of relationship with Jesus, or my family takes precedent. And I do have a lot of respect for that because I think it goes a long way because I work with a lot of kids through sports or through youth group and they look up to these guys and them putting their faith first on that stage is massive for the growth of that next generation.

18:05 And if the listeners don't know car he basically walked away from thirty million dollars he could have gotten it, he didn't believe he earned it, so he basically just walked away and said, Nope, I'm not going to take that money. That And I mean it's very clear if you watch the Netflix show Quarterback. I think Kirk Cousins is kind of that guy as well. I think it's very clear as faith is real and he wants to do the right thing by everyone. And I think so there's there's hope for humanity, especially in the world of sports, which excites me. Well, do you think this could be the Tim Tebow effect? You know, he was really the first one to really go out there, and now do you think that made it? He was kind of like a trailblazer for being able to do this kind of stuff. And you know, I've thought a lot about this, and I think Tim Tebow's too far removed for that to have an impact on today's kids. Because not many of these kids, even the younger man, really remember Tim Tebow's run.

18:55 I'm aging myself, but that was when I was a freshman in college, just Denver Broncos run. Maybe in college, high school. That's been fifteen years. So I think it as as a country, I think people are realizing cool is whatever you want cool to be. So I don't have to fall under any type of stereotype to be quote unquote cool. Like I can have a faith that's outwork and a parent and it'd be cool because that's what matters to me. I think we're slowly kind of figuring it out, and the pendulum swings culturally right, swings one way and then back to the other. And it was very hard to be a believer for the last five six years. I think it's going to start swinging back the other way where people are coming out with their faith, which is really cool. Cool. Hey.

19:38 In nineteen sixty five, Cincinnati Reads pitcher Jim Maloney, he threw a second no hitter the season. Yeah, they beat the Cubs win and nothing. Well, nineteen sixty nine, Cubs pitcher Ken Holtman, he no hit the Braves three to nothing. The reason I always mentioned in all the no hitters whenever they do. There's only three hundred and twenty six in baseball history, so I think that each one gets their shout out. Now, this is a nice way to start your career. In nineteen ninety Los Angeles Dodgers Jose Offerman hit a home run in his very first career at bat. He went out and played for seventeen years. In the seventeen years, had a total of fifty seven home runs. So how much, lady, they had to pay you to be this guy? Now? After serving three years in prison for rape nineteen ninety five, Mike Tyson, he returned for the ring, knocked out Peter McNeely in eighty nine seconds.

20:19 You know what, I'm ary For a split second wondered what it would be like to take one of those punches. I don't really want to, but part of me wonders just how hard that is. And I don't think you could pay me enough, to be honest, to try it out. But I wonder, Jeff, do you think boxing one day will ever be looked back upon, kind of like a gladiator sport from the Romans, Because it's almost dying out here in popularity. Because of how aggressive and dangerous it was. Yeah, but think about your generation, so boxing isn't as cool anymore. But now the game with MMA where everything. That's sure, that's true because I wonder if, like in one hundred years, people look back and goes, they did what.

21:05 Yeah, you're doing with you guys don't even realize what Tyson was like back in the mid eighties. Man, when he was coming up, there was this guy and he was just beating. I mean, you talk about his beat. None of you didn't want pay per view because you know the fight wasn't going to go two rounds. So yeah, Well here's the thing that's interesting. In nineteen ninety five, I was three years old, so I'm not super familiar with with early Mike Tyson. And I reading your pre show notes whenever it's a three years in prison for rape, it kind of surprised me because I didn't know that. But also he's got tons and tons of fans, and it just surprises me. I guess that some people, some people's character can really do whatever and people will still root for them because you know what I mean, that's a pretty serious prime. Yeah, everywhere you go, he's got a high approval rating.

21:54 Yeah, see, he was judging that. Everybody knew he had problems, you know, they knew that he was kind of mess step. And then he was married to this one actress. Her name was Robert Gibbons, and every can tell she was just trying to take his money. Then he had this guy named Don King who was his boxing promoter that was, you know, trying to basically ruin him and all that kind of stuff. Well, he ended up he was judging a Miss Black America pageant out in Indiana and he raped up one of the contestants. Did his three years, came out and he was never the same, you know. Plus he's obviously you know, he's been a probably his prime in the prison. Then he came out and he was just a space case. I don't know if you know. He fought found there Holly Field and bit his ear off and all kinds of things, and his career really went down. Basically he became a non person and all that kind of stuff. And then I honestly think it was the Hangover movies that made him popular.

22:46 Again, that's a great point. I think you're right. In the two thousand and four Olympics in Athens, United States gymnast Carlie Patterson. She became the second American woman though when the gold medal all around in the Olympics, but carl she was the first one to do it in the non boycott Olympics. If you remember, merely retting they were Soviet Union block they boycotted that year. Twenty twenty three, a Philly shortstop trade turner. Yeah, two solo home runs and one inning the Phillies went. He had to beat the Nationals twelve to three. Now, real quick, real quick, Jeff. That Philly and Nationals is interesting to me. I'm not a baseball guy, because that Bryce Harper thing is a pretty big deal. And if baseball is in more major sport, I think it had been a huge storyline of the twenty first century that you had the face of the sport leave a team and that team won the World Series a few years later. So I don't think that's really happened in any other sport any other time.

23:39 No, that's a pretty good point. Great, Well, you said you you were no longer would you teach biology? Yeah, and you were coaching and now you're doing your podcast. You want to tell us all about your podcast. Yeah, I'd love to. So back last year, I started a basketball high school basketball coaching podcast called B three Voice Vision Victory, and I really wanted to utilize the connections I made as a coach, and then as that grew, me and my colleague Johnny Standard started a Christian leadership podcast as well, and that was part of my job now as a pastor is we're going to get back to it weekly and talk about theology, Christian leadership, Christian living and be very vulnerable about our own experiences and the things we're learning. And I also have one now with my old high school friends called Old Dogs, and it's actually, believe it or not, when you podcasting, it's pretty surprising what things work and what don't. So my highest rated podcast, and it's me and my two high school friends who are both successful in sports, and we're just talking about things in sports culture like weight training, youth sports and time just shooting the breeze and having a couch style podcast. So you could find all those on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, B three Voice Vision and Victory.

24:51 Okay, and we'll put the links on the bottom of my show notes today to everybody too. But no, I think those podcasts, they coming to you different, like this one is more kind of an inform or many of you know, I don't know what they'll it system. But then you get the ones where it's like what you said, and I think people really just get that when they just want to turn in and hear good conversation. Yeah. What I've realized too, there's two things I thought about is one and podcasting. What's surprised me is you're not really shooting for a great episode. You're shooting for some great thirty second breakout clips I can circulate and bring people to your channel. And the second thing too is you want to you want to figure out how to become someone's background noise. So like I listen to podcasts and all my friends do, and I'm mowing lawn, doing the dishes, or driving, and someone's got to be so comfortable with you that that's just what they want to listen to when they're doing those mindless tasks. So that's kind of what I think about now, is instead of producing you know, ninety great minutes where it's like, what are some very interesting topics that we can discuss that would give us enough to kind of bring people in.

25:53 Yeah, and it works out very good shows. I hope definitely will put the links on there, so you guys make sure you listen to those about some people were born on August the nineteenth. Well, we're going from Eddie Goodell. We're going over to Bill Schuemaker. Now, Bill, he was born in Fabans, Texas, in nineteen thirty one. He's born premature. Now, he only weighed thirty eight ounces at birth. He wasn't supposed to survive that night. Oh he did. He lived to be four feet ten inches tall, weighed ninety one pounds. One of the best jockeys in the history of this horse racing, won eighty eight hundred and thirty three races. That's third all time. Now he's gotten passed by two guys since then. Now he started as a jockeys. This is a teenager in nineteen forty nine. Remember that in nineteen forty nine. Say he won his first race a month later. Now, I never did win the Triple Crown, but in Triple Crown races he run four Kentucky Derbys, two Preakness Stinks, five bell months. He retired in nineteen ninety fifty years old. Righting up, he's still riding. He died in two thousand and three at seventy two years old from natural causes. You ever did in the horses?

26:49 I did it, but on old dogs. Last week we did was your favorite event to watching the group of people and one of my co hosts said it was the Kentucky Derby and I never I've never done it, and he said, you to do it, you have to try it out. So now I'm intrigued. Cool deal. Second baseman Bobby Richards and he's ninety, still with us. He's born in Supter, South Carolina. In nineteen thirty five, he signed with the Yankees right out of high school. Played for him from nineteen fifty five to nineteen sixty six. Five time gold Glove Wimmer won three World Series with the Yankees nineteen fifty eight, nineteen sixty one, in nineteen sixty two. He was the World Series MVP in nineteen sixty and said that was that possible? Well, he's the only player to win the World Series MVP on the losing team. Say the Yankees were playing the Pirates, and the Pirates did beat the Yankees four games to three.

27:33 Bobby had a good series. He batted three sixty seven and he had twelve RBIs and h had a Grand Slam. But see back then, voting for the World Series MVP, it had to be done by the seventh inning in the deciding game. Oh wow. So in the seventh inning the Yankees were ahead and Bob well, the Pirates came back and won in the bottom of the ninth, but the votes were all in, so Bobby got to keep the Corvette. That's amazing that. You know what's funny is we had a basketball tournament my last year at coaching where the coaches voted in the semi finals and we were We beat the teams and the games before that like forty points and arrested my starters and we won the championship game in the tournament and had zero players win awards because the voting was before the championship and we blew so many people out that they didn't even play. So it's kind of interesting.

28:19 Well that God, like the NFL Pro Bowl, I think they vote with like three games to go. Right, absolutely, and the Pro Bowls the joke as is now, so they got a lot of they got to mess on their hands there. Yeah, but I think it's kind of amazing. Some of those contracts you still get, like a I don't one hundred thousand dollars to get named to the Pro Bowl. So for them that is kind of important, even though the game is worthless. That's true. Gary guy Eddie, he played third base. He's sixty six today. You know where Centralia, Illinois is? I do. Their high school mascot actually is called the Orphans. Oh really, it's very interesting. Born there in nineteen fifty eight, he made his major league debut in nineteen eighty one for the Minnesota Twins. In nineteen eighty seven, he was the American League Championship Series MVP as they Twins beat the Tigers to go to the World Series. Now, he's still the only player in Major League Baseball history to have two home runs in his first two bats in the postseason. But the Twins actually won the World Series that year. Now, he was with the Twins from eighty one to ninety. Then he was with the Angels, the Royals, the Cardinals, the Cubs, and the Red Sox. Retired in two thousand. Even a two time All Star, four time Golden Globe winner, It's one time Silver Slogan win hit three and sixty home runs, also sixty six years old, is Football Hall of Famer Anthony Munios. He played tackle. He was born in Ontario, California, played in college ball at the USC then he was an All American, got drafted in the first round, third overall by the Cincinnati Bengals. Started thirteen years as the Bengals left tackle. He scut four touchdowns. Yeah, was that well for those tackle eligible plays. Now it's up to debate, like all of sports, but he is considered probably the best tackle of all time and maybe the best offensive

29:50 alignment of all time. It was a nine time first team All Pro, two times second team All Pro, basically won every award, So he was way before your time. You definitely went in the alignment probably, HU. What's interesting is I do know him because I'm a football at the Shinado and he has got to be the all time unknown, all time great, if that makes sense, Like he is the guy that not many people know, but I think he is the best ever at the tackle position, which makes you wonder that an offensive lineman ever become a household name because you have some of the greats that the average football fans probably never heard. Me. We have to win with him too. That was all in Cincinnati. You have to wonder what if we've benefit was in Chicago or LA or Dallas or New York.

30:32 Right, will Zach Martiner retired for Cowboys right guard. He allowed zero sacks and past place in his entire career. That's the most shocking stat I think I've ever heard. But it's not only in ESPN shows, It's on podcasts. It's unfortunate because I don't know how they get me more credits. No, And I think the only way you could actually be a popular offensive line, I guess you just have to self promote like crazy on social media. Right, I agree the caging. Cannon quarterback body a there is in Galiano, Louisiana. In nineteen sixty sixty five today played his college ball at Northwestern State. Wasn't drafted, so we went to the USFL, the original one. There was one before what's being played now. And he went back in nineteen eighty three. Now he led the Michigan Panthers to their first USFL championship game.

31:16 He won it. They beat the Michigan or they beat the who was at Birmingham Stallions. I believe, well, after three years the ESFL folded, so he went to the NFL. The near New Orleans Saints signed him. He played eight years with the Saints. Well, he was there. He was the first and this is the franchise history. This goes back to the late nineteen sixties. He led the Saints to their first winning season and he went into their first playoff game. That's pretty cool with them. So after eight years with the Saints, he went over and played with the Falcons. He got to the Pro Bowl once with the Falcons. Now, Bobby, he's act there in New Orleans. He has an afternoon radio sports stock shield that he does every afternoon out there in New Orleans. I think this guy, you're a big curb of Herb Street fan, aren't you.

31:57 I am I Am and her care Street. You know, college game Day in the morning Saturdays, calls called college game Day games in the afternoons on Saturday. So it's Thursday Night football with Al Michael's on the name of the prime. Kurt was born in Centerville, Ohio, in nineteen sixty nine. Play quarterback at Ohio State from eighty nine to ninety two. It's hired from He was hired by ESPN to be a silighted reporter in ninety five. And I'll tell you what's the most important impressive thing about him is the one time he was on a podcast he was talking about his schedule and he did Thursday night Amazon games and would fly back home to Ohio to watch his son's Friday football games in high school. That night, he would take a flight back to where college game day was, and then he'd do college game day in the morning. Then he would fly to wherever the game that he was calling was in the afternoon.

32:44 And that's just Thursday through Saturday. And isn't it unbelievable. That's that's yeah. I don't know, I don't know how some of those I guess you just love it and you'd have all your priorities and straight like you can tell he's a man of faith. I mean, what's the most important thing is he has to go back to Ohio just about his son play football, and you know when he could very easily just call it in from the hotel room. Absolutely, Kirk Curve Street is one of my sports media idols. If I'm allowed to say, strong fai, great family man, good morals, doesn't say anything controversial, super informative, and fun, and he's kind of living out the dream that I have to do content and also be in sports. And I think he's part of what makes College Game Day after NBA on TNT the best sports show going right now.

33:33 Yeah, I wouldn't agree with you. This is kind of an unknown fact, but Kirk, I mean, obviously, if you're a quarterback in the big Den at Ohio State, you've got to be pretty good anyway. But you know, he wasn't a pro quarterback, but he was the captain of the senior year. Now, his dad had been the captain at the whole Ohio State before. You know, obviously before he was born. Only three times in the whole Ohio State program as a son and a dad been captains and they were the second father and send to middle do that all right. Wide receiver David Boston, he's forty seven. He's won on Humble Texas. In nineteen seventy he had his first team All American in Ohio State. He was drafted by Arizona Cardinals in the first round. He was eighth overall in nineteen ninety nine, two thousand and one.

34:13 That was his best year. His went first team All Pro. He led the league in receiving yards that year. Then he took the money and went played for the Chargers and the Dolphins Tampa Bay ended up in Toronto playing for the Argonauts in two thousand and eight when he retired. But what makes David interesting is his dad was an NFL referee, So when he got drafted, the NFL had to put a degree out there that his dad can never work one of his games. Wow, David Boston underrated Madden video game player? Really? Oh yeah, great, great Madden player. So when you were coaching, did you work the referees very hard? You know? I did. I was earlier in my career I would say it was too much, and then later in my career I kind of figured out what was appropriate what wasn't. Early on, i'd have this trick where I kind of find out which ref was the soft one that I'd really go after him them and make it and make it tough on them, because you know, everyone's competing coaches, players, and we're all trying to find ways to ethically win, and you just kind of find out where the ethics is too much and then what is actually in the competitive atmosphere.

35:14 I know in your podcast you talk about it, but that's a really fine line to walk when you're coaching high school because you know most of the players aren't going to play beyond high school. But you still want to give them the skills to succeed growing up, and you still want them to have fun, but you still want to win. So there's kind of quite the line you have to walk there as a high school coach. There's a major tension. And my coach is Bible Study I do at the high school in town here. We talk about that pretty often. As where as that line, because we all want to win, you should I think people mistakenly say if you're a Christian in sports, so you shouldn't want to win. It should be about fun, and that's not true. Although it should be about fun and a good experience. But the only reason you're doing it is because you're competitive and you have a desire to build a program and succeed. So finding that spot is hard, but I think it's there's some clear lines that you don't cross, and then you try to gain influence with those around you, players, parents, administrators, and hope that they trust you to do the right thing. And you got hard decisions to make it's a tough job.

36:14 Yeah, I'm glad hopefully, and some of the coaches. I mean you probably even crings down the bench when you watch some of the coaches on the other side, going, man, don't do. That for sure. Absolutely, when you're red face screaming, that's just that you've gone too far and you probably should take a step back and call down. I think when you get to that point you're stomping and screaming and you're kind of looking like a who again, that's when you probably need to relax a little bit. Right now, we'll talk about Anthony Muno has been underground. Well, he's a Hall of Famer, but you know, unknown, this guy surprised the heck guy. To me, I didn't even know who he was, to be honest with you. Running back Thomas Jones. He's also forty seven years old. He was born in Stone Gat, Virginia. He was a consensus All American at the University of Virginia. Was acted by the Arizona Cardinals in two thousand. He was the seventh overall pick, but he was really injuring prone for three seasons of Arizona only ran for sixteen hundred yards, so the next year they let him go. He played with the Buccaneers. Then he played for the Bears for three seasons, and then the Jets for three seasons, Kansas Toy Chiefs for t seasons, then retired after twelve years. When it was all said and done, he'd rushed for ten five hundred ninety one yards. That's twenty six most in then NFL history. He hit five thousand yard seasons during that time.

37:26 Have you ever heard of Thomas Jones? I have because I'm, like I mentioned with David Boston, I'm a big Madden video game guy my whole life. I've loved that game and that franchise in Here's another one. A consistent nine year were all maddened for about ten years, and a really good player in the NFL for a while. You know, it kind of reminds me. I think the number two all time rusher I think is Gore, isn't it. I think he might be right, because Emmitt Smith's number one, Peterson LT They've got to be up there, but Gore's probably at least in the top five because he played a really long time time for San fran and then later in his career in other teams. Yeah, it's kind of some of those people, like you said, you see him in Madam, but you don't really ever, you know, they don't do commercials. You know, you don't see him in the Pro Bowls and all that kind of stuff, because I mean, Thomas he never went to one Pro Bowl. And here's twenty six. I'm gonna do this little bit out of order. Here, We're going to talk about football safety Patrick Chung. He was born in Kingston, Jamaica.

38:24 His mama was a singer. She had actually a couple of hit songs over in the UK, and when he was a kid, they moved to California when he was ten. Then he went to the University of Oregon and he was a second team All American Patriots. They drafted him in the second round. Won three Super Bowls with the Patriots. He's a member of They're All twenty ten Decade team. He retired in twenty twenty. And I think you want to talk about quarterback Kirk Cousins. I do. I love Kirk Cousins and just giving you his background here for the listeners. It's thirty seven years old, born in Barrington, Illinois. He's a quarterback at Milking State. He was drafted in the same class as Robert Griffin the Third for the Washington Redskins, and Robert Griffin the Third was a great rookie in the NFL, and his injuries ended up leading to Kirk Cousins getting the shot, and he really took advantage of it and saw success because he sat behind him for three seasons and then the fourth year he beat him out, having four thousand passing yards for the Redskins, and he went and played for the Viking successfully for six seasons, and then last year he signed a big contract with the Falcons. And I believe he's one of the more underrated quarterbacks we've had in the last fifteen to twenty years, because I think he's better than Dok Prescott, Joe Placo, guys like that.

39:33 He's a consistent four thousand sh yard passer, guy that made the playoffs, super accurate team first guy, strong faith. I might be biased, but I think he has had a very very underrated career. No, I'll give it, but I mean, any day, I guess it. Can't use that an excuse. You I's going to say, well, Minnesota, but I mean, but now, now that might have been in the seventies where they might not know you, but now everybody knows everybody. He's good. And then I mean his stats real quick, his stats for the Vikings. He has forty two hundred passing yards, forty two hundred passing yards, forty two hundred passing yards, forty five hundred passing yards. Just to think that the Chicago Bears have never had a four thousand passing yard quarterback in their entire organization's history. And he did it four times just for the Vikings. And then I think two times for the Redskins. Right, So that's you know, that's super interesting.

40:25 I think part of it. Maybe I was saying, maybe it's just because he's never had success in the playoffs, but nobody's ever had success with the playoffs on the Vikings, so you can't. That's true, that's true. I'm thinking it's probably just the lack of playoff wins. Might be Well, then how do you explain Dak Prescott? So right, I agree, but yeah, I. Think I would take him over Dak. I'd still an extent I would as well. I still understand what in the world why do the Falcons would give him that contract? And then draft a quarterback in eighth overall. Yeah, yeah, it was strange. She talks about that and that TV series Quarterback and he said, I want to just stayed in Minnesota had I known they were going to draft somebody, to which is He's right. It's just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially in today's NFL where you play if you're a rookie. You know, back in the day, you would have sat at least one to three years and that wouldn't make sense, right, But today those rookies played Ryan Away and Pinnix was an older quarterback too. He had that COVID year, so he came out at twenty three is years old. So yeah, it didn't make a whole lot of sense.

41:28 A lot of rumors though about him going to Los Angeles for the Rams. Have you heard those? I believe it because I'm hearing rumblings of Stafford being hurt and he's almost forty now and they're going to have to figure out some sort of backup playings. They have a fantastic roster and an awesome coach, and you can't do anything without a decent quarterbacks. That would make a lot of sense. Yeah, that's when they're saying that Dafford his back's not gonna the best one to be Cousins. But then I don't know, it's so hard now because you don't know about the salary cap. Can the Rams actually take him? You know? Oh, he's made so much money, Like the stats, like Kurt Cousins' money is shocking because he got franchise tagged I think two years in her own Washington, right, which is pretty rare. And he's made more money in his career. I don't want to be wrong on this.

42:13 I think he made more money than Tom Brady in his career. So I would have to say someone like that would be okay taking a little bit of a cut to go where he wants to go. Yeah, And he was the first one when he actually he was franchised twice with the Redskins, and then he went to Minnesota and he signed that. Now, it wouldn't be that big back then, it was huge, but it was the first one that was fully guaranteed, the first one to have a fully guaranteed contract, right. And then there's Deshaun Watson and that didn't work out too well. Man. That you talk about bad decisions by the Browns that I think that's even bigger than Baker Mayfield. I would clump that into one majorly bad decision. You go from Baker to DeShawn that's well, now you got Joe Flacco. So I mean looking up. Oh oh okay, so we're gonna I'm not think we're gonn but links to it so you guys can listen to this podcast.

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44:35 I'm sure. Yeah. And some of them. I've seen some people they're already calling their quarterback a bust after going near It's like, come on, man. Well he plays for Chicago. They're just assuming based off the pattern, I think that's true. Well, you know you have been awesome there, Hunter Man. It's great talking to you. Thank you for having me. This is a really cool concept. I love this idea of going through sports history as a sports myself is a cool refresher hearing about these people that I haven't heard about in years. So I'm rooting for you and I'll keep following you along with you. All right, Thanks. Make sure you check out his shows too, and check out V three there we will be on the bottom of the page. You guys, have an awesome day. We'll all talk tomorrow.